To set the record straight

[mattmitchl44]

There continues to be a contingent on CT who wants to misrepresent what those of us who support the Cardinals current direction are saying. This contingent repeatedly tries to say that we who support the direction categorically "don't want the Cardinals to spend money."

I have not seen anyone who has said that the Cardinals will not eventually have to spend money in order to compete with the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc. The Cardinals will eventually likely have to spend back at the $170, $180 million level of ML payroll. Time will tell when/if that happens.

What those who support the Cardinals direction ARE saying is that the Cardinals don't need to prioritize spending money NOW - and in particular they should avoid committing to big 3, 4, 5, or more year contracts for significant FAs. Even if they held on to Gray, Contreras, Donovan, etc. and added like a Bo Bichette and/or Dylan Cease on 5+ year deals, they wouldn't have enough talent to really challenge the best teams in the NL in 2026. Committing to more guys now on long, expensive contracts who are likely to turn into your next "Nolan Arenados" in 3, 4, 5 years isn't going to help you down the road either.

The Cardinals probably will choose to sign some guys much more cheaply to 1 year + 1 team option year or 2 year deals - guys who are more "boom or bust" options like a Dustin May, etc. Those guys aren't being signed to "win now" in 2026. Those guys should be signed to be traded for more prospects at the 2026 trading deadline if they "boom," or cut loose after 2026 if they "bust." The Cardinals should also "spend money" now by packaging it with Gray, Arenado, Contreras, etc. in deals in order to get better prospects back which could jump start their rebuild in 2027, 2028, etc.

So their spending money now should be directed toward either gathering more prospects immediately (from trades of Gray, Arenado, Contreras) or gathering more prospects later by planning to deal cheap FAs signed now for prospects during the 2026 season.

[Bully4you]

There continues to be a contingent on CT who wants to misrepresent what those of us who support the Cardinals current direction are saying. This contingent repeatedly tries to say that we who support the direction categorically "don't want the Cardinals to spend money."

I have not seen anyone who has said that the Cardinals will not eventually have to spend money in order to compete with the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc. The Cardinals will eventually likely have to spend back at the $170, $180 million level of ML payroll. Time will tell when/if that happens.

What those who support the Cardinals direction ARE saying is that the Cardinals don't need to prioritize spending money NOW - and in particular they should avoid committing to big 3, 4, 5, or more year contracts for significant FAs. Even if they held on to Gray, Contreras, Donovan, etc. and added like a Bo Bichette and/or Dylan Cease on 5+ year deals, they wouldn't have enough talent to really challenge the best teams in the NL in 2026. Committing to more guys now on long, expensive contracts who are likely to turn into your next "Nolan Arenados" in 3, 4, 5 years isn't going to help you down the road either.

The Cardinals probably will choose to sign some guys much more cheaply to 1 year + 1 team option year or 2 year deals - guys who are more "boom or bust" options like a Dustin May, etc. Those guys aren't being signed to "win now" in 2026. Those guys should be signed to be traded for more prospects at the 2026 trading deadline if they "boom," or cut loose after 2026 if they "bust." The Cardinals should also "spend money" now by packaging it with Gray, Arenado, Contreras, etc. in deals in order to get better prospects back which could jump start their rebuild in 2027, 2028, etc.

So their spending money now should be directed toward either gathering more prospects immediately (from trades of Gray, Arenado, Contreras) or gathering more prospects later by planning to deal cheap FAs signed now for prospects during the 2026 season.

A lot of us here want instant gratification.
I do.
I want that.
We've been in a funk for 3 or so years now and your prescription just adds to the funk.
The funk will stink so bad in another 3 years, the brand will become stale.
Nobody will want to watch the Cards play.
Irrelevancy.

[Cusecards]

There continues to be a contingent on CT who wants to misrepresent what those of us who support the Cardinals current direction are saying. This contingent repeatedly tries to say that we who support the direction categorically "don't want the Cardinals to spend money."

I have not seen anyone who has said that the Cardinals will not eventually have to spend money in order to compete with the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc. The Cardinals will eventually likely have to spend back at the $170, $180 million level of ML payroll. Time will tell when/if that happens.

What those who support the Cardinals direction ARE saying is that the Cardinals don't need to prioritize spending money NOW - and in particular they should avoid committing to big 3, 4, 5, or more year contracts for significant FAs. Even if they held on to Gray, Contreras, Donovan, etc. and added like a Bo Bichette and/or Dylan Cease on 5+ year deals, they wouldn't have enough talent to really challenge the best teams in the NL in 2026. Committing to more guys now on long, expensive contracts who are likely to turn into your next "Nolan Arenados" in 3, 4, 5 years isn't going to help you down the road either.

The Cardinals probably will choose to sign some guys much more cheaply to 1 year + 1 team option year or 2 year deals - guys who are more "boom or bust" options like a Dustin May, etc. Those guys aren't being signed to "win now" in 2026. Those guys should be signed to be traded for more prospects at the 2026 trading deadline if they "boom," or cut loose after 2026 if they "bust." The Cardinals should also "spend money" now by packaging it with Gray, Arenado, Contreras, etc. in deals in order to get better prospects back which could jump start their rebuild in 2027, 2028, etc.

So their spending money now should be directed toward either gathering more prospects immediately (from trades of Gray, Arenado, Contreras) or gathering more prospects later by planning to deal cheap FAs signed now for prospects during the 2026 season.

A lot of us here want instant gratification.
I do.
I want that.
We've been in a funk for 3 or so years now and your prescription just adds to the funk.
The funk will stink so bad in another 3 years, the brand will become stale.
Nobody will want to watch the Cards play.
Irrelevancy.

Ok...feel better?

[HorseTrader]

There continues to be a contingent on CT who wants to misrepresent what those of us who support the Cardinals current direction are saying. This contingent repeatedly tries to say that we who support the direction categorically "don't want the Cardinals to spend money."

I have not seen anyone who has said that the Cardinals will not eventually have to spend money in order to compete with the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc. The Cardinals will eventually likely have to spend back at the $170, $180 million level of ML payroll. Time will tell when/if that happens.

What those who support the Cardinals direction ARE saying is that the Cardinals don't need to prioritize spending money NOW - and in particular they should avoid committing to big 3, 4, 5, or more year contracts for significant FAs. Even if they held on to Gray, Contreras, Donovan, etc. and added like a Bo Bichette and/or Dylan Cease on 5+ year deals, they wouldn't have enough talent to really challenge the best teams in the NL in 2026. Committing to more guys now on long, expensive contracts who are likely to turn into your next "Nolan Arenados" in 3, 4, 5 years isn't going to help you down the road either.

The Cardinals probably will choose to sign some guys much more cheaply to 1 year + 1 team option year or 2 year deals - guys who are more "boom or bust" options like a Dustin May, etc. Those guys aren't being signed to "win now" in 2026. Those guys should be signed to be traded for more prospects at the 2026 trading deadline if they "boom," or cut loose after 2026 if they "bust." The Cardinals should also "spend money" now by packaging it with Gray, Arenado, Contreras, etc. in deals in order to get better prospects back which could jump start their rebuild in 2027, 2028, etc.

So their spending money now should be directed toward either gathering more prospects immediately (from trades of Gray, Arenado, Contreras) or gathering more prospects later by planning to deal cheap FAs signed now for prospects during the 2026 season.

A lot of us here want instant gratification.
I do.
I want that.
We've been in a funk for 3 or so years now and your prescription just adds to the funk.
The funk will stink so bad in another 3 years, the brand will become stale.
Nobody will want to watch the Cards play.
Irrelevancy.

,
Some of us will continue to follow the team, win or lose. You are welcome to follow another team.

[Cusecards]

There continues to be a contingent on CT who wants to misrepresent what those of us who support the Cardinals current direction are saying. This contingent repeatedly tries to say that we who support the direction categorically "don't want the Cardinals to spend money."

I have not seen anyone who has said that the Cardinals will not eventually have to spend money in order to compete with the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc. The Cardinals will eventually likely have to spend back at the $170, $180 million level of ML payroll. Time will tell when/if that happens.

What those who support the Cardinals direction ARE saying is that the Cardinals don't need to prioritize spending money NOW - and in particular they should avoid committing to big 3, 4, 5, or more year contracts for significant FAs. Even if they held on to Gray, Contreras, Donovan, etc. and added like a Bo Bichette and/or Dylan Cease on 5+ year deals, they wouldn't have enough talent to really challenge the best teams in the NL in 2026. Committing to more guys now on long, expensive contracts who are likely to turn into your next "Nolan Arenados" in 3, 4, 5 years isn't going to help you down the road either.

The Cardinals probably will choose to sign some guys much more cheaply to 1 year + 1 team option year or 2 year deals - guys who are more "boom or bust" options like a Dustin May, etc. Those guys aren't being signed to "win now" in 2026. Those guys should be signed to be traded for more prospects at the 2026 trading deadline if they "boom," or cut loose after 2026 if they "bust." The Cardinals should also "spend money" now by packaging it with Gray, Arenado, Contreras, etc. in deals in order to get better prospects back which could jump start their rebuild in 2027, 2028, etc.

So their spending money now should be directed toward either gathering more prospects immediately (from trades of Gray, Arenado, Contreras) or gathering more prospects later by planning to deal cheap FAs signed now for prospects during the 2026 season.

A lot of us here want instant gratification.
I do.
I want that.
We've been in a funk for 3 or so years now and your prescription just adds to the funk.
The funk will stink so bad in another 3 years, the brand will become stale.
Nobody will want to watch the Cards play.
Irrelevancy.

,
Some of us will continue to follow the team, win or lose. You are welcome to follow another team.

+1

[mattmitchl44]

A lot of us here want instant gratification.
I do.
I want that.
We've been in a funk for 3 or so years now and your prescription just adds to the funk.
The funk will stink so bad in another 3 years, the brand will become stale.
Nobody will want to watch the Cards play.
Irrelevancy.

Ok, but having been in a funk for 3 or so years hasn't moved them any closer to being in a position to be really competitive now. If they would have moved Arenado, Goldschmidt, etc. back in 2023 and went all-in on the "rebuilding funk," they'd be further along now.

They've been living in a different funk for the last 3+ years - an unproductive funk in which they repeatedly tried to hang on to aging stars and band aid the ML team and failed to make it competitive.

Now they have to live in a different funk, but at least now it's a rebuilding funk which may lead to being competitive again in 2, 3, 4 years.

[Bully4you]

There continues to be a contingent on CT who wants to misrepresent what those of us who support the Cardinals current direction are saying. This contingent repeatedly tries to say that we who support the direction categorically "don't want the Cardinals to spend money."

I have not seen anyone who has said that the Cardinals will not eventually have to spend money in order to compete with the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc. The Cardinals will eventually likely have to spend back at the $170, $180 million level of ML payroll. Time will tell when/if that happens.

What those who support the Cardinals direction ARE saying is that the Cardinals don't need to prioritize spending money NOW - and in particular they should avoid committing to big 3, 4, 5, or more year contracts for significant FAs. Even if they held on to Gray, Contreras, Donovan, etc. and added like a Bo Bichette and/or Dylan Cease on 5+ year deals, they wouldn't have enough talent to really challenge the best teams in the NL in 2026. Committing to more guys now on long, expensive contracts who are likely to turn into your next "Nolan Arenados" in 3, 4, 5 years isn't going to help you down the road either.

The Cardinals probably will choose to sign some guys much more cheaply to 1 year + 1 team option year or 2 year deals - guys who are more "boom or bust" options like a Dustin May, etc. Those guys aren't being signed to "win now" in 2026. Those guys should be signed to be traded for more prospects at the 2026 trading deadline if they "boom," or cut loose after 2026 if they "bust." The Cardinals should also "spend money" now by packaging it with Gray, Arenado, Contreras, etc. in deals in order to get better prospects back which could jump start their rebuild in 2027, 2028, etc.

So their spending money now should be directed toward either gathering more prospects immediately (from trades of Gray, Arenado, Contreras) or gathering more prospects later by planning to deal cheap FAs signed now for prospects during the 2026 season.

A lot of us here want instant gratification.
I do.
I want that.
We've been in a funk for 3 or so years now and your prescription just adds to the funk.
The funk will stink so bad in another 3 years, the brand will become stale.
Nobody will want to watch the Cards play.
Irrelevancy.

,
Some of us will continue to follow the team, win or lose. You are welcome to follow another team.

I'll follow the team.
I'm just stating it's going to be a long dry spell with this methodology.
It will take a while to acquire the right prospects.
This will be a lengthy rebuild.

[Bully4you]

A lot of us here want instant gratification.
I do.
I want that.
We've been in a funk for 3 or so years now and your prescription just adds to the funk.
The funk will stink so bad in another 3 years, the brand will become stale.
Nobody will want to watch the Cards play.
Irrelevancy.

Ok, but having been in a funk for 3 or so years hasn't moved them any closer to being in a position to be really competitive now.

They've been living in a different funk for the last 3+ years - an unproductive funk in which they repeatedly tried to band aid the ML team and failed to make it competitive.

Now they have to live in a different funk, but at least now it's a rebuilding funk which may lead to being competitive again in 2, 3, 4 years.

Well, I think it's a longer shot than betting on proven MLB talent via free agency.
Betting that they can acquire solid prospects that will become solid MLBers is less likely to occur.
The success of Prospects is low.
At least that's been what I've seen with the Cardinals.
I know, they're changing their philosophy and all with Bloom.
I'm going to be like a true Missourian here.
You gotta "Show Me".
And it sounds like they've made the decision you've been advocating for a long time.
I sure hope it works in 2,3, 4 years.

[mattmitchl44]

Well, I think it's a longer shot than betting on proven MLB talent via free agency.
Betting that they can acquire solid prospects that will become solid MLBers is less likely to occur.
The success of Prospects is low.
At least that's been what I've seen with the Cardinals.
I know, they're changing their philosophy and all with Bloom.
I'm going to be like a true Missourian here.
You gotta "Show Me".
And it sounds like they've made the decision you've been advocating for a long time.
I sure hope it works in 2,3, 4 years.

The Cardinals can, and eventually will, need to add talent again via FA. I said that above.

But it kind of seems obvious that the Cardinals, even spending $130, $140 million on FAs (you have to reserve $40, $50 million to pay other guys on your roster), can't just brute force spend their way to competing with the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc. when they can spend $225, $250 million on FAs.

Trying to beat the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc. at their own game by brute force spending is, pretty obviously, a dead end.

The Cardinals simply have to beat the bigger payroll teams by committing more to being a Top 5 organization in terms of delivering young, cost controlled talent to their ML team. That's the only way.

[alw80]

There continues to be a contingent on CT who wants to misrepresent what those of us who support the Cardinals current direction are saying. This contingent repeatedly tries to say that we who support the direction categorically "don't want the Cardinals to spend money."

I have not seen anyone who has said that the Cardinals will not eventually have to spend money in order to compete with the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc. The Cardinals will eventually likely have to spend back at the $170, $180 million level of ML payroll. Time will tell when/if that happens.

What those who support the Cardinals direction ARE saying is that the Cardinals don't need to prioritize spending money NOW - and in particular they should avoid committing to big 3, 4, 5, or more year contracts for significant FAs. Even if they held on to Gray, Contreras, Donovan, etc. and added like a Bo Bichette and/or Dylan Cease on 5+ year deals, they wouldn't have enough talent to really challenge the best teams in the NL in 2026. Committing to more guys now on long, expensive contracts who are likely to turn into your next "Nolan Arenados" in 3, 4, 5 years isn't going to help you down the road either.

The Cardinals probably will choose to sign some guys much more cheaply to 1 year + 1 team option year or 2 year deals - guys who are more "boom or bust" options like a Dustin May, etc. Those guys aren't being signed to "win now" in 2026. Those guys should be signed to be traded for more prospects at the 2026 trading deadline if they "boom," or cut loose after 2026 if they "bust." The Cardinals should also "spend money" now by packaging it with Gray, Arenado, Contreras, etc. in deals in order to get better prospects back which could jump start their rebuild in 2027, 2028, etc.

So their spending money now should be directed toward either gathering more prospects immediately (from trades of Gray, Arenado, Contreras) or gathering more prospects later by planning to deal cheap FAs signed now for prospects during the 2026 season.

A lot of us here want instant gratification.
I do.
I want that.
We've been in a funk for 3 or so years now and your prescription just adds to the funk.
The funk will stink so bad in another 3 years, the brand will become stale.
Nobody will want to watch the Cards play.
Irrelevancy.

3 years? This franchise has been sliding backwards for 10 years.

[Goldfan]

There continues to be a contingent on CT who wants to misrepresent what those of us who support the Cardinals current direction are saying. This contingent repeatedly tries to say that we who support the direction categorically "don't want the Cardinals to spend money."

I have not seen anyone who has said that the Cardinals will not eventually have to spend money in order to compete with the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc. The Cardinals will eventually likely have to spend back at the $170, $180 million level of ML payroll. Time will tell when/if that happens.

What those who support the Cardinals direction ARE saying is that the Cardinals don't need to prioritize spending money NOW - and in particular they should avoid committing to big 3, 4, 5, or more year contracts for significant FAs. Even if they held on to Gray, Contreras, Donovan, etc. and added like a Bo Bichette and/or Dylan Cease on 5+ year deals, they wouldn't have enough talent to really challenge the best teams in the NL in 2026. Committing to more guys now on long, expensive contracts who are likely to turn into your next "Nolan Arenados" in 3, 4, 5 years isn't going to help you down the road either.

The Cardinals probably will choose to sign some guys much more cheaply to 1 year + 1 team option year or 2 year deals - guys who are more "boom or bust" options like a Dustin May, etc. Those guys aren't being signed to "win now" in 2026. Those guys should be signed to be traded for more prospects at the 2026 trading deadline if they "boom," or cut loose after 2026 if they "bust." The Cardinals should also "spend money" now by packaging it with Gray, Arenado, Contreras, etc. in deals in order to get better prospects back which could jump start their rebuild in 2027, 2028, etc.

So their spending money now should be directed toward either gathering more prospects immediately (from trades of Gray, Arenado, Contreras) or gathering more prospects later by planning to deal cheap FAs signed now for prospects during the 2026 season.

I the right elite talent is signed now or 5yrs years from now whats the difference? What lineup spots do you expect to have internal elite talent filling, because that’s what you’re waiting for if you’re in the waiting camp…..

We’ve already gone over the huge team salary decline and with NA, Gray, Donny, Noot gone this team if probably under 100mil
3-4 IMPACT players at whatever positions you choose to assign will put this club in the playoffs and thats the only position this ownership and fan base have expected for decades. And you’re still receiving prospects for Donny, Gray, Noot, whoever. So why not walk and chew gun at the same time, if Bloom is as talented as all proclaim this shouldn’t be too difficult….

[Bully4you]

There continues to be a contingent on CT who wants to misrepresent what those of us who support the Cardinals current direction are saying. This contingent repeatedly tries to say that we who support the direction categorically "don't want the Cardinals to spend money."

I have not seen anyone who has said that the Cardinals will not eventually have to spend money in order to compete with the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc. The Cardinals will eventually likely have to spend back at the $170, $180 million level of ML payroll. Time will tell when/if that happens.

What those who support the Cardinals direction ARE saying is that the Cardinals don't need to prioritize spending money NOW - and in particular they should avoid committing to big 3, 4, 5, or more year contracts for significant FAs. Even if they held on to Gray, Contreras, Donovan, etc. and added like a Bo Bichette and/or Dylan Cease on 5+ year deals, they wouldn't have enough talent to really challenge the best teams in the NL in 2026. Committing to more guys now on long, expensive contracts who are likely to turn into your next "Nolan Arenados" in 3, 4, 5 years isn't going to help you down the road either.

The Cardinals probably will choose to sign some guys much more cheaply to 1 year + 1 team option year or 2 year deals - guys who are more "boom or bust" options like a Dustin May, etc. Those guys aren't being signed to "win now" in 2026. Those guys should be signed to be traded for more prospects at the 2026 trading deadline if they "boom," or cut loose after 2026 if they "bust." The Cardinals should also "spend money" now by packaging it with Gray, Arenado, Contreras, etc. in deals in order to get better prospects back which could jump start their rebuild in 2027, 2028, etc.

So their spending money now should be directed toward either gathering more prospects immediately (from trades of Gray, Arenado, Contreras) or gathering more prospects later by planning to deal cheap FAs signed now for prospects during the 2026 season.

A lot of us here want instant gratification.
I do.
I want that.
We've been in a funk for 3 or so years now and your prescription just adds to the funk.
The funk will stink so bad in another 3 years, the brand will become stale.
Nobody will want to watch the Cards play.
Irrelevancy.

3 years? This franchise has been sliding backwards for 10 years.

Well, I feel like 2022 was a great year.
They won the division and had home field advantage in playoffs.
They did lose in that series, but I just felt the season was nice.
Also, cherry on top was the Pujols 700 HR chase.
That added to the excitement big time.
To be fair, it was kind of an outlier.
So, you'd be mostly correct.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Reminds me of a song- just for the record, let’s get the story straight. Me and Tom were fishing, it was gettin pretty late.

[Melville]

If the Cardinals would merely do as I advise, we would not be having this conversation.
I alone correctly predicted the current malaise, the factors that made it inevitable, and the correct solutions.
Four very reasonable, very achievable course corrections over the past 5 years would have guaranteed a team capable of winning 90+ each season.
I have been right all along, and I am right now.
Is it acceptable for the owners to not spend 170 Million next year and every year?
It is not.
Does the team need to spend 300+M to be relevant?
Absolutely not.
Can they immediately compete by addressing just 2 positions?
Yes, they can.
85+ wins next year, and 90+ the years following, is ridiculously easy to achieve.
Now, the record is set straight.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

[Melville]

There continues to be a contingent on CT who wants to misrepresent what those of us who support the Cardinals current direction are saying. This contingent repeatedly tries to say that we who support the direction categorically "don't want the Cardinals to spend money."

I have not seen anyone who has said that the Cardinals will not eventually have to spend money in order to compete with the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, etc. The Cardinals will eventually likely have to spend back at the $170, $180 million level of ML payroll. Time will tell when/if that happens.

What those who support the Cardinals direction ARE saying is that the Cardinals don't need to prioritize spending money NOW - and in particular they should avoid committing to big 3, 4, 5, or more year contracts for significant FAs. Even if they held on to Gray, Contreras, Donovan, etc. and added like a Bo Bichette and/or Dylan Cease on 5+ year deals, they wouldn't have enough talent to really challenge the best teams in the NL in 2026. Committing to more guys now on long, expensive contracts who are likely to turn into your next "Nolan Arenados" in 3, 4, 5 years isn't going to help you down the road either.

The Cardinals probably will choose to sign some guys much more cheaply to 1 year + 1 team option year or 2 year deals - guys who are more "boom or bust" options like a Dustin May, etc. Those guys aren't being signed to "win now" in 2026. Those guys should be signed to be traded for more prospects at the 2026 trading deadline if they "boom," or cut loose after 2026 if they "bust." The Cardinals should also "spend money" now by packaging it with Gray, Arenado, Contreras, etc. in deals in order to get better prospects back which could jump start their rebuild in 2027, 2028, etc.

So their spending money now should be directed toward either gathering more prospects immediately (from trades of Gray, Arenado, Contreras) or gathering more prospects later by planning to deal cheap FAs signed now for prospects during the 2026 season.

I the right elite talent is signed now or 5yrs years from now whats the difference? What lineup spots do you expect to have internal elite talent filling, because that’s what you’re waiting for if you’re in the waiting camp…..

We’ve already gone over the huge team salary decline and with NA, Gray, Donny, Noot gone this team if probably under 100mil
3-4 IMPACT players at whatever positions you choose to assign will put this club in the playoffs and thats the only position this ownership and fan base have expected for decades. And you’re still receiving prospects for Donny, Gray, Noot, whoever. So why not walk and chew gun at the same time, if Bloom is as talented as all proclaim this shouldn’t be too difficult….

Not difficult indeed.
Ridiculously easy.

[Bully4you]

If the Cardinals would merely do as I advise, we would not be having this conversation.
I alone correctly predicted the current malaise, the factors that made it inevitable, and the correct solutions.
Four very reasonable, very achievable course corrections over the past 5 years would have guaranteed a team capable of winning 90+ each season.
I have been right all along, and I am right now.
Is it acceptable for the owners to not spend 170 Million next year and every year?
It is not.
Does the team need to spend 300+M to be relevant?
Absolutely not.
Can they immediately compete by addressing just 2 positions?
Yes, they can.
85+ wins next year, and 90+ the years following, is ridiculously easy to achieve.
Now, the record is set straight.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

I agree with you Mel.
I think it is a terrible idea to just opt for a tear down rebuild.
They plan to trade Gray and Donovan?
Insane.
I'd keep both.
I would trade Arenado though.
But keeping Gray and Donovan and just add to the team.
Just seems more sensible to me.