A Question of Philosophy- Would you...

[Talkin' Baseball]

No…

While I agree that acquiring pitching is hugely important…….every pitcher is always one pitch away from the surgeon….

a good hitter is more likely to contribute everyday…

That’s why it’s so important for a club to develop their own pitch and not raid their own roster…

(a side observation….I don’t know how Gorman made your list of good hitters)

2006 staff Carpenter, Marquis, Suppan, Weaver, Reyes and Mulder. Closer Isringhausen.

Only "develop our own" was Reyes who won 5 games. The key is to have smart people in your organization who can correctly assess talent.

Bingo!

[45s]

No…

While I agree that acquiring pitching is hugely important…….every pitcher is always one pitch away from the surgeon….

a good hitter is more likely to contribute everyday…

That’s why it’s so important for a club to develop their own pitch and not raid their own roster…

(a side observation….I don’t know how Gorman made your list of good hitters)

2006 staff Carpenter, Marquis, Suppan, Weaver, Reyes and Mulder. Closer Isringhausen.

Only "develop our own" was Reyes who won 5 games. The key is to have smart people in your organization who can correctly assess talent.

Yes….

Philosophy and implementation are two very distinct issues…

[ScotchMIrish]

No…

While I agree that acquiring pitching is hugely important…….every pitcher is always one pitch away from the surgeon….

a good hitter is more likely to contribute everyday…

That’s why it’s so important for a club to develop their own pitch and not raid their own roster…

(a side observation….I don’t know how Gorman made your list of good hitters)

2006 staff Carpenter, Marquis, Suppan, Weaver, Reyes and Mulder. Closer Isringhausen.

Only "develop our own" was Reyes who won 5 games. The key is to have smart people in your organization who can correctly assess talent.

Yes….

Philosophy and implementation are two very distinct issues…

I loved Red but I remember him saying a team should not invest in pitchers because of the injury risk. I believe that may have been a factor in us not retaining Carlton and Reuss.

[imyourhuckleberry]

Not me. I keep Herrera.

Starting Pitchers just don't dominate the game like they once did. They pitch 2/3 a game every fifth game, at the very most.

Teams are better off with 13 good pitchers rather than 3 great ones and 5 good ones, and 5 bad ones.

You actually need 16 to 18 good pitchers since 3 to 5 are on the IL most of the time.

Over 6 innings, a great starting pitcher with a 3.00 ERA gives up 2 runs while a below average pitcher with a 4.50 ERA gives up 3 runs. Then your team has to hold on to a one run lead for 3 more innings.

Absolutely this.

Not including extra innings, a team needs to cover 1458 innings in a season.

If your #1 and #2 starter spots average 6 innings a start (very optimistic) and the #3,4,5 spots average 5 innings a start (again, optimistic) and you assume 32 starts per spot, you still have, at the very least 594 (+extra innings) to cover, or at least 41% if the total innings.

So, I until some team figures out how to stretch their staff to cover 6-7 innings (or more) rather than 5-6 (or less), starting pitching is just not as important anymore.

[craviduce]

you know TB... where I stand now, yes...I'd want Dollander. But (bleep)...trading Herrera and rest for him, that's a tough one to swallow. It would be one of those, "Yes trade them, but I don't like you much right now, so don't talk to me"

interesting scenario...challenged my belief system. We're not competing...likely for the next 2 seasons. So a Herrera, a Gorman, a Henderson (chance to be a 4 or 5 in a rotation, but how many LHP do you want in a rotation?), etc aren't really going to matter being on the team.

Set yourself up for the future, but the rest of the trades HAVE TO MAKE THIS ONE MAKE SENSE. That's my only condition.

[DwaininAztec]

I loved Red but I remember him saying a team should not invest in pitchers because of the injury risk. I believe that may have been a factor in us not retaining Carlton and Reuss.

Ruess was probably the poor performance to that point, i.e., lack of patience with lefties.

Carlton, IIRC, was a $10,000 difference between Augi and Steve. Steve almost immediately regretted his position and was returning to renegotiate when he got word he was traded.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Not me. I keep Herrera.

Starting Pitchers just don't dominate the game like they once did. They pitch 2/3 a game every fifth game, at the very most.

Teams are better off with 13 good pitchers rather than 3 great ones and 5 good ones, and 5 bad ones.

You actually need 16 to 18 good pitchers since 3 to 5 are on the IL most of the time.

Over 6 innings, a great starting pitcher with a 3.00 ERA gives up 2 runs while a below average pitcher with a 4.50 ERA gives up 3 runs. Then your team has to hold on to a one run lead for 3 more innings.

Absolutely this.

Not including extra innings, a team needs to cover 1458 innings in a season.

If your #1 and #2 starter spots average 6 innings a start (very optimistic) and the #3,4,5 spots average 5 innings a start (again, optimistic) and you assume 32 starts per spot, you still have, at the very least 594 (+extra innings) to cover, or at least 41% if the total innings.

So, I until some team figures out how to stretch their staff to cover 6-7 innings (or more) rather than 5-6 (or less), starting pitching is just not as important anymore.

Good write.you make a very good point for not investing deep into a stud Ace. Just 13 good pitchers, with high K ability who can go two innings or one time thru the order.

Use the money for bats.

[ScotchMIrish]

I loved Red but I remember him saying a team should not invest in pitchers because of the injury risk. I believe that may have been a factor in us not retaining Carlton and Reuss.

Ruess was probably the poor performance to that point, i.e., lack of patience with lefties.

Carlton, IIRC, was a $10,000 difference between Augi and Steve. Steve almost immediately regretted his position and was returning to renegotiate when he got word he was traded.

That was part of it but the reason they didn't want to pay was the possibility of a career ending injury in the days when there was no viable surgery for pitchers. Reuss was rushed. Only 22 when traded.