Rosie's Rule wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 22:08 pm
Seattle has a surplus of quality starters- Seattle is potentially losing both Suarez and Polanco as FAs.
Seattle needs Donovan - Cards need fill in the blank:
Woo, Miller, Kirby etc
Seattle would prefer to move Castillo over the others from what I've seen.
He has a NTC. He doesn't really fit the Cardinals either but he is similar
to a SG but younger, cheaper with control through 2027 with a 2028 option.
My guess is Seattle will attempt a similar deal as St. louis is after with Gray.
Woo was the lower rated before 2025. That may have flipped. He and Miller are controlled
to 2030. Kirby 2029, Gilbert is 2028, he's probably over $10 million now so does that figure
into anything for Seattle's side.
As Card4 mention Anderson would be great but would Seattle use the strategy of getting
roster help without subtracting from the MLB roster, since too much pitching doesn't
exist in spring and they drafted Sloan the prior season but he was a HS pick. Maybe Sloan
but they both may be a '27 or '28 at least away.
Correct. Seattle has no incentive to move the young cost controlled SP. If they move a pitcher, it'll be Castillo for sure. He's regressed and expensive but still very solid. No longer an ace but his contract is manageable for a team needing a low-end #2 or high-end #3.
That'd give the Mariners more budget to address other needs. But again, his contract doesn't really align with our needs/timeline.
renostl wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 11:46 amDonovan may well be the best trade chip on the MLB roster. I would not dismiss
on what Gray could return. For a team like the Braves who are heavy with
pitching prospects that unfortunately for them are a year or more away, Gray
provides what they didn't have in 2025. They could also use SS/ middle infield.
One stop shopping?
Cards don't need to trade the entire team, just a few that don't project according
to Bloom and co. Donovan could fall in either category depending on what occurs with other
players. Arenado, Gray really do not.
Totally agree. I posted something similar in another thread. For a team that needs a good pitcher, but maybe they get shut out of free agency, or just don't want a big commitment, Gray could make a lot of sense. That one pitcher could be the piece that puts that team over the top. Yea, he's due $30 million, but it's just one year of commitment. And if the Cardinals eat some contract, you might get something really good in return.
renostl wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 11:46 amDonovan may well be the best trade chip on the MLB roster. I would not dismiss
on what Gray could return. For a team like the Braves who are heavy with
pitching prospects that unfortunately for them are a year or more away, Gray
provides what they didn't have in 2025. They could also use SS/ middle infield.
One stop shopping?
Cards don't need to trade the entire team, just a few that don't project according
to Bloom and co. Donovan could fall in either category depending on what occurs with other
players. Arenado, Gray really do not.
Totally agree. I posted something similar in another thread. For a team that needs a good pitcher, but maybe they get shut out of free agency, or just don't want a big commitment, Gray could make a lot of sense. That one pitcher could be the piece that puts that team over the top. Yea, he's due $30 million, but it's just one year of commitment. And if the Cardinals eat some contract, you might get something really good in return.
It is the same principle regardless what the money is,
something we understand.
I think it's $35 million for 2026. Either $5 million or $30 million in 2027 but room
to renegotiate something.
IMO he, SG, brings back something decent with some money added and
it may not take a lot. With the uncertainty of 2027 he has 1/year appeal.
Did MO do that intentionally? nah.
renostl wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 11:46 amDonovan may well be the best trade chip on the MLB roster. I would not dismiss
on what Gray could return. For a team like the Braves who are heavy with
pitching prospects that unfortunately for them are a year or more away, Gray
provides what they didn't have in 2025. They could also use SS/ middle infield.
One stop shopping?
Cards don't need to trade the entire team, just a few that don't project according
to Bloom and co. Donovan could fall in either category depending on what occurs with other
players. Arenado, Gray really do not.
Totally agree. I posted something similar in another thread. For a team that needs a good pitcher, but maybe they get shut out of free agency, or just don't want a big commitment, Gray could make a lot of sense. That one pitcher could be the piece that puts that team over the top. Yea, he's due $30 million, but it's just one year of commitment. And if the Cardinals eat some contract, you might get something really good in return.
It is the same principle regardless what the money is,
something we understand.
I think it's $35 million for 2026. Either $5 million or $30 million in 2027 but room
to renegotiate something.
IMO he, SG, brings back something decent with some money added and
it may not take a lot. With the uncertainty of 2027 he has 1/year appeal.
Did MO do that intentionally? nah.
A lot of reason to like Atlanta
Hotlanta probably has more steamy humid nights than STL……poor Sonny’s hand will be sweating all over that baseball….
Goldfan wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 09:09 am
“The #Cardinals are shopping for at least a starter.
The #stlcards are also entertaining offers for their best starter.
What gives?
Chaim Bloom had a lot to say today ...”
Goold indicating that Gray is being shopped while Bloom in market for another SP??
If looking to dump Gray’s contract why even bother with another FA SP?
Exactly.
Pitching is a good thing.
Keep Gray.
And acquire a quality starter with at least 2 years of control.
That, obviously, is the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION.
On which I, of course, have advocated for the past several years.
