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Who AI Says we Should Trade Donovan For...

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Tanner Bibee.

Suggested trade proposal:

To Guardians:

Brendan Donovan (super-utility, 3 years control)
Gordon Graceffo (RHP prospect, top-10 in STL system)
Jonathan Mejia (SS prospect, high-upside, low minors)

To Cardinals:

Tanner Bibee (SP, 5 years control)


More in-depth analysis and commentary below:


A **Brendan Donovan ↔ Tanner Bibee one-for-one swap** is **unlikely to be balanced**—the Cardinals would almost certainly need to **add more assets** to make the trade equitable.

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### 📊 **Relative Market Values**

* **Trade Value Rankings**:
* **Bibee** scores \~8.7 on FantasySP’s pitcher scale – roughly **100th overall**. [\[fantasysp.com\]](https://www.fantasysp.com/mlb_player_ne ... ade-value/)
* **Donovan** scores \~8.3 on FantasySP’s position player scale – roughly **115th overall**. [\[fantasysp.com\]](https://www.fantasysp.com/mlb_player_ne ... ade-value/)
* A **slight value edge** favors Bibee’s package, meaning more is needed from St. Louis.

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### 📌 **Cardinals’ Trade Demands**

* Cherry-market prices:
* Internal sources caution St. Louis is **“not giving him away,”** wants a **“significant return”**. [\[dodgerblue.com\]](https://dodgerblue.com/dodgers-interest ... 025/07/26/), [\[clutchpoints.com\]](https://clutchpoints.com/mlb/st-louis-c ... ade-offers)
* **Yankees, Dodgers, Astros** interest was only at the level of **initial inquiries**, with St. Louis wanting more. [\[redbirdrants.com\]](https://redbirdrants.com/mlb-insider-sp ... e-in-trade), [\[dodgerblue.com\]](https://dodgerblue.com/dodgers-interest ... 025/07/26/)
* **Ken Rosenthal**: Cards would move Donovan “only if blown away”—he’s not untouchable, but they’re in no rush. [\[redbirdrants.com\]](https://redbirdrants.com/mlb-insider-sp ... e-in-trade), [\[dodgerblue.com\]](https://dodgerblue.com/dodgers-interest ... 025/07/26/)

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### 🔍 **Actual Bibee Offers**

* Trade rumor board: Guardians recently acquired Bibee + other arms for **three top prospects**, simulating a haul of \~26–28 "value". [\[baseballtr...values.com\]](https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades)
* Similar-comps: Dodgers and Padres deals for aces (e.g., Peralta, Paxton, Skubal) often involved **multiple coveted prospects**. [\[newsnow.com\]](https://www.newsnow.com/us/Sports/MLB/MLB+Trades), [\[mlbrumors.net\]](https://mlbrumors.net/latest)

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### 🧩 **Estimated Gap**

| Player | Trade Value | Notable |
| --------------- | ----------- | ------------------------------------ |
| Brendan Donovan | \~8.3 | Avg MLB wRC+ 119, strong OBP/defense |
| Tanner Bibee | \~8.7 | Starting SP with 5 yrs control |

* Market data and Cardinals' expectations **indicate Donovan would need to be bundled with at least one high-level prospect** (or more) to match Bibee’s value. [\[cbssports.com\]](https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseb ... 2h-points/), [\[redbirdrants.com\]](https://redbirdrants.com/mlb-insider-sp ... e-in-trade)

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### ✅ **Bottom Line**

* A **standalone, player-for-player** must likely be:
* **Donovan + one premium or two mid-tier prospects**,
* Or **Donovan + a mid-tier prospect + salary or prospect swap**,
* This is due to:
* Bibee’s **stronger trade value and control** (5 years vs Donovan’s 2),
* The Cardinals’ **“blown away” threshold** and reluctance to move him cheaply. [\[dodgerblue.com\]](https://dodgerblue.com/dodgers-interest ... 025/07/26/), [\[clutchpoints.com\]](https://clutchpoints.com/mlb/st-louis-c ... ade-offers)

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💡 **Advisory**: If pursuing a Bibee-for-Donovan deal, **expect to include** a top-50 prospect (e.g., low-A/High-A pitcher or position player) to **balance both sides**.
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Re: Who AI Says we Should Trade Donovan For...

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Thank god the AI didn't say "Trade Donovan for Cardinal Pitchers"

:lol:
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Re: Who AI Says we Should Trade Donovan For...

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Great use of AI. How did you phrase your search request to the AI you used?
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Re: Who AI Says we Should Trade Donovan For...

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Funny, Chat GPT gave me three scenarios:

⚾️ SCENARIO 1: “Go Get the Ace”

Cardinals receive:

Logan Gilbert (RHP, Mariners)

Minor prospect (A-ball pitcher)

Mariners receive:

Brendan Donovan (UTIL)

Gordon Graceffo (RHP, AAA)

Alec Burleson (OF/DH)

Why it works:

Seattle gets a contact/on-base machine (Donovan) and an MLB-ready bat (Burleson) for a team that struggled to get on base. Graceffo gives them cost-controlled pitching depth.

St. Louis gets a durable, high-end starter with 4+ years of control — exactly what they’ve lacked.

Downside: The Cardinals would lose two controllable bats, thinning bench depth.

Verdict: Bold but realistic. It’s the kind of trade that changes the rotation immediately.

⚾️ SCENARIO 2: “Balanced Retool”

Cardinals receive:

Braxton Garrett (LHP, Marlins)

AJ Puk (LHP, reliever)

Marlins receive:

Brendan Donovan (UTIL)

Victor Scott II (OF prospect)

Why it works:

Miami gets a versatile bat who would start immediately and a potential leadoff CF in Scott, matching their athletic identity.

St. Louis gains two MLB-ready lefties — Garrett can slot into the rotation, and Puk gives them a high-octane bullpen arm.

Downside: Garrett has less upside than a true ace, and Scott’s departure hurts long-term defense/speed depth.

Verdict: Good “win-now” balance move if the Cards strike out on top-tier arms.

⚾️ SCENARIO 3: “Creative Value Play”

Cardinals receive:

Kyle Bradish (RHP, Orioles)

Orioles receive:

Brendan Donovan (UTIL)

Matthew Liberatore (LHP)

L.J. Jones IV (1B/OF prospect)

Why it works:

Baltimore needs a lefty-swinging, high-OBP infielder to complement their righty-heavy lineup and fill a long-term 2B/3B role.

St. Louis acquires an arm with ace-like stuff and team control, something Baltimore may move given their pitching depth.

Downside: Bradish’s injury risk (elbow) is real, so it’s a gamble.

Verdict: High-risk, high-reward — could look brilliant or disastrous depending on health.
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Re: Who AI Says we Should Trade Donovan For...

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okcardfan wrote: 13 Nov 2025 10:44 am Great use of AI. How did you phrase your search request to the AI you used?
This was my first prompt:

"Which MLB starting pitcher should the St. Louis Cardinals trade Brendan Donovan for? Please factor in each player's years of eligibility before their next contract, current cost, current value, and teams that are in need of a super utility player with great on-base ability." That yielded Bibee, Joe Ryan, Seth Lugo and a couple others. My secondary prompt was:

"Is a Brendan Donovan for Tanner Bibee an even one for one swap or would one team need to add more to the deal?"
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Basil Shabazz wrote: 13 Nov 2025 10:50 am Funny, Chat GPT gave me three scenarios:

⚾️ SCENARIO 1: “Go Get the Ace”

Cardinals receive:

Logan Gilbert (RHP, Mariners)

Minor prospect (A-ball pitcher)

Mariners receive:

Brendan Donovan (UTIL)

Gordon Graceffo (RHP, AAA)

Alec Burleson (OF/DH)

Why it works:

Seattle gets a contact/on-base machine (Donovan) and an MLB-ready bat (Burleson) for a team that struggled to get on base. Graceffo gives them cost-controlled pitching depth.

St. Louis gets a durable, high-end starter with 4+ years of control — exactly what they’ve lacked.

Downside: The Cardinals would lose two controllable bats, thinning bench depth.

Verdict: Bold but realistic. It’s the kind of trade that changes the rotation immediately.

⚾️ SCENARIO 2: “Balanced Retool”

Cardinals receive:

Braxton Garrett (LHP, Marlins)

AJ Puk (LHP, reliever)

Marlins receive:

Brendan Donovan (UTIL)

Victor Scott II (OF prospect)

Why it works:

Miami gets a versatile bat who would start immediately and a potential leadoff CF in Scott, matching their athletic identity.

St. Louis gains two MLB-ready lefties — Garrett can slot into the rotation, and Puk gives them a high-octane bullpen arm.

Downside: Garrett has less upside than a true ace, and Scott’s departure hurts long-term defense/speed depth.

Verdict: Good “win-now” balance move if the Cards strike out on top-tier arms.

⚾️ SCENARIO 3: “Creative Value Play”

Cardinals receive:

Kyle Bradish (RHP, Orioles)

Orioles receive:

Brendan Donovan (UTIL)

Matthew Liberatore (LHP)

L.J. Jones IV (1B/OF prospect)

Why it works:

Baltimore needs a lefty-swinging, high-OBP infielder to complement their righty-heavy lineup and fill a long-term 2B/3B role.

St. Louis acquires an arm with ace-like stuff and team control, something Baltimore may move given their pitching depth.

Downside: Bradish’s injury risk (elbow) is real, so it’s a gamble.

Verdict: High-risk, high-reward — could look brilliant or disastrous depending on health.
I used co-pilot...should have tried ChatGPT, too. I could do this (bleep) all day. Too bad I have to work
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not to be "that guy", but one of those had us trading L.J. Jones IV ....he hasn't been with the Cards Farm since early 2023

AI still has those little kinks like that. Jones IV's career was under the radar, his cut was under the radar....so I get it, AI couldn't pull the information that likely isn't archived.

that was on Basil's Chat GPT search. It also calls Graceffo a "high end starter"....
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I am intrigued by Kyle Bradish. I admittedly know nothing of his availability or what it would take to get him. But he is a high K guy with a good track record aside from injury.

Chris Carpenter? One can dream! :D
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AI is a fantastic tool, but it's not without its hallucinations. One of its suggestions was trading for Kyle Hendricks, who I'm fairly certain retired recently.
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I decided to ask my A.I. tool too:

-Potential trade target: Bryce Miller (Seattle Mariners)

Based on recent speculation, the Mariners' Bryce Miller is a potential trade candidate who could make sense for the Cardinals.

Mariners' motivation: The Mariners, with All-Star Cal Raleigh at catcher, could trade from their pitching depth to acquire a solid bat like Donovan.

Miller's value: Miller is a young, top-tier starter, giving the Mariners leverage to seek a significant return, likely requiring more than just Donovan

-Potential trade target: Edward Cabrera (Miami Marlins)

Cabrera's upside: The Marlins' Edward Cabrera is a high-upside right-hander who has recently shown an increase in performance.

Marlins' motivation: As a rebuilding team, the Marlins could be a potential trade partner, looking for a flexible player like Donovan to help their offense
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It was mentioned in one of the other threads, but those Mariners pitcher's scare me. They've all had shoulder and elbow issues over the last season. Feel like we're trading for ticking time bombs
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TraveledLessRoad wrote: 13 Nov 2025 11:16 am AI is a fantastic tool, but it's not without its hallucinations. One of its suggestions was trading for Kyle Hendricks, who I'm fairly certain retired recently.
Yikes :D

There would also be a full on revolt if we trade Donny for Kyle Hendricks.
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From Grok -

“The St. Louis Cardinals should trade Brendan Donovan to the Cleveland Guardians in exchange for left-handed starting pitcher Logan Allen and outfield prospect George Valera.

Why this trade makes sense for the Cardinals

The Cardinals enter the 2025-26 offseason in retool mode after a forgettable 2025 season (finishing well below .500 and missing the playoffs), with new president of baseball operations Chaim Bloom emphasizing youth development and financial flexibility over high payroll contention. Donovan, a 29-year-old first-time All-Star in 2025 with a 2.7 WAR, .285/.360/.425 slash line, and elite versatility across second base, left field, and shortstop, is one of their most valuable controllable assets (team control through 2027 at a modest projected $4-5M salary in 2026).

Trading him now maximizes his value before his arbitration costs rise further, allowing St. Louis to acquire cost-controlled pitching depth—a glaring need after relying on inconsistent veterans like Sonny Gray (potentially shopped) and a thin rotation that posted a 4.45 ERA in 2025.

• Logan Allen (LHP, age 26 in 2026):

A former top-50 prospect with three years of team control left, Allen showed promise in 2025 (3.92 ERA over 120 innings, 8.5 K/9) despite command issues. He’d slot in as a reliable No. 3-4 starter behind emerging young arms like Matthew Liberatore, addressing the Cardinals’ biggest 2026 priority: mid-rotation stability without breaking the bank.

• George Valera (OF, age 25 in 2026):

Cleveland’s former No. 1 prospect (still top-100 overall), Valera brings plus power potential (.850 OPS in Triple-A in 2025) and outfield versatility as a corner/bench bat. He’s a high-upside lottery ticket for St. Louis’ improving farm system (now top-10 in MLB, headlined by shortstop JJ Wetherholt), providing depth behind Lars Nootbaar while the Cards audition rookies like Victor Scott II.

This package nets two controllable pieces with upside, aligning with Bloom’s prospect-heavy rebuild while shedding Donovan’s $2.85M salary from 2025 (though his next deal is affordable). It avoids overpaying for free-agent pitchers like Blake Snell, preserving flexibility for other moves (e.g., extending Willson Contreras or adding a veteran reliever).

Why this trade makes sense for the Guardians

Cleveland, fresh off an ALCS appearance in 2025 but still offensively anemic (team .235 BA, 22nd in runs), desperately needs left-handed pop and infield flexibility to complement stars like José Ramírez and Steven Kwan. Donovan’s switch-hitting contact skills, Gold Glove-caliber defense, and ability to play anywhere (he started 85 games at 2B/LF in 2025) make him a “perfect fit,” as ESPN’s Jeff Passan put it—plugging holes at second base (post-Andrés Giménez questions) or as a super-utility bat without blocking prospects like Brayan Rocchio. At his age and cost, he’s a low-risk upgrade over internal options like David Fry, boosting their lineup floor for another deep playoff run.

This isn’t a fleecing—Donovan’s value is high, but Cleveland’s deep farm (ranked top-5) allows them to part with Allen (expendable in their stacked rotation) and Valera (blocked in the outfield) without gutting their system. Rumors have linked the teams since early November, with insiders like Derrick Goold noting mutual interest. If executed, it’s a win-win: St. Louis accelerates its youth movement, and Cleveland gets an All-Star stabilizer.”
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Re: Who AI Says we Should Trade Donovan For...

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craviduce wrote: 13 Nov 2025 10:42 am Thank god the AI didn't say "Trade Donovan for Cardinal Pitchers"

:lol:
Somebody is obsessed. LOL
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Shady wrote: 13 Nov 2025 13:35 pm
craviduce wrote: 13 Nov 2025 10:42 am Thank god the AI didn't say "Trade Donovan for Cardinal Pitchers"

:lol:
Somebody is obsessed. LOL
Even by your rock bottom standards that was an incredibly stupid topic.
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Mort Gage wrote: 13 Nov 2025 13:38 pm
Shady wrote: 13 Nov 2025 13:35 pm
craviduce wrote: 13 Nov 2025 10:42 am Thank god the AI didn't say "Trade Donovan for Cardinal Pitchers"

:lol:
Somebody is obsessed. LOL
Even by your rock bottom standards that was an incredibly stupid topic.
Somebody else is also obsessed.
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