Blues need to play at a 105 point pace...

[Natl20]

Believe we are 3-1-1 in last 5, shouldve been 4-1

Thats probably 105 point pace

[theograce]

Why do you want them to sneak into the playoffs. For what?

GM’s don’t want that

Owners do

For a couple home games and 20 something picks? Owners and GM’s aren’t on the same page now lol

[skilles]

Believe we are 3-1-1 in last 5, shouldve been 4-1

Thats probably 105 point pace

115 point pace

4=1 is a 131 point pace

a 5-0 streak is a 164 point pace

[dhsux]

105 point pace to get to some magic number, but we’re 4 points out of a spot now even as bad as things are. We just have to keep pace and pick up extra points where we can.

Exactly.

And who's to say 98 is required this year?

Start wining games and see who else starts losing games.

[dhsux]

Because the 2012 LA Kings did for example, and well actually every team wants to get into the tournament.
I realize the play on the ice can be difficult to understand for someone such as you having no high level of playing experience; and certainly understanding the basics of the business side of the professional game is even more difficult. So, I'll try to simplify for you: (1) You cannot win the ultimate goal (Stanley Cup) if you do not get into the tournament. (2) Other than some performance bonuses the extremely large percentage of players income (100% of salaries) are paid for regular season games. (3) Although there is a degree of TV revenue sharing for all teams -- with more going to the teams in the game being televised, the predominant revenue for teams comes from paid tickets in the arena. (4) Now this part is hard, so play close attention: Practically all of the revenue for tickets sold in the playoffs flows directly to the bottom line. That means more cash to spend. If you do not achieve that then you struggle to pay the league minimum ...it's hard to get and keep proven talent...it's hard to sell tickets for a losing team -- vicious cycle to dig out of its.
So, you are wrong...Ahh-Gin.

Didn't you hear?

GM's don't want to make the play offs.

Just watch in March, teams and players will be throwing games left and right and in the middle to avoid the play offs.

Happens every year.

[theograce]

Didn't you hear?

GM's don't want to make the play offs.

Why do you act like you understand hockey in a passive aggressive way lol

“Doug Armstrong, the St. Louis Blues' President of Hockey Operations, has consistently emphasized a desire to build a championship-caliber team, not merely one that qualifies for the playoffs“

[blues2112]

Under Montgomery last year, team played at 105-point pace (35-18-17).

A few games after he was hired (Nov. 24), Blues went 1-6-1.

The panic on this forum is remarkable.

......and predictable!

(Incorrectly cited Montgomery's record. It was 35-18-7, NOT 17)

As for "predictable," how much traffic loss will there be when teams goes on an 8-1-1 run?

[theograce]

Under Montgomery last year, team played at 105-point pace (35-18-17).

A few games after he was hired (Nov. 24), Blues went 1-6-1.

The panic on this forum is remarkable.

......and predictable!

(Incorrectly cited Montgomery's record. It was 35-18-7, NOT 17)

As for "predictable," how much traffic loss will there be when teams goes on an 8-1-1 run?

They could go 15-1. Teams like the Avs will outshoot them 50-18 in the playoffs. Weeee

[Old_Goat]

Under Montgomery last year, team played at 105-point pace (35-18-17).

A few games after he was hired (Nov. 24), Blues went 1-6-1.

The panic on this forum is remarkable.

......and predictable!

(Incorrectly cited Montgomery's record. It was 35-18-7, NOT 17)

As for "predictable," how much traffic loss will there be when teams goes on an 8-1-1 run?

They could go 15-1. Teams like the Avs will outshoot them 50-18 in the playoffs. Weeee

Are you sure about that estimate?
The Blues will have zero shots in the playoffs if they don't get in. And Championship teams are not built overnight. I know that is not obvious, because look at your favorite teams Toronto and Edmonton...but I digress. Prior playoff experience is still a valuable part for the pieces of the Build.
Try harder to understand.

[dhsux]

Are you sure about that estimate?
The Blues will have zero shots in the playoffs if they don't get in. And Championship teams are not built overnight. I know that is not obvious, because look at your favorite teams Toronto and Edmonton...but I digress. Prior playoff experience is still a valuable part for the pieces of the Build.
Try harder to understand.

Just remember...GM's don't want to squeak into play offs.

hahaha...

[stlblue06]

105 point pace to get to some magic number, but we’re 4 points out of a spot now even as bad as things are. We just have to keep pace and pick up extra points where we can.

Exactly.

And who's to say 98 is required this year?

Start wining games and see who else starts losing games.

The get in for the east has been low 90s maybe even high 80s at least the last couple of years. Now that the Hawks, Ducks, and Sharks are all not the league’s bottom feeders for an easy 2 points, the West will be more balanced this year and that should lower the point totals for seeds 6-11.

I remember when the Blues were beat out by Vegas a couple of years ago, Vegas got around 97 points while the Blues at 92 would have 100% been good enough in the East.

[seattleblue]

Why do you want them to sneak into the playoffs. For what?

GM’s don’t want that

As someone who can imagine the impact of high end draftees, I still want them to make the playoffs and as INFURIATING as they have looked they are actually better than they looked. That's the issue, they are actually better and they aren't going to dismantle it enough to rebuild so they really have to move forward and try to get in. It's also best for the culture. Now they will get everyone's backup goalie as they claw back. You know they are going to claw back. They're sitting on the 4th pick now but they're headed for the middle and I'd rather the 17th-19th pick than the 14th pick.

Are there all sorts of flaws in the team that could stop it from happening? For sure. But the team is too good and it's a LONG season as we remind ourselves each year, I am just not yet ready to believe this is ending bottom 5 because of a maddening start with a fair amount of luck that will regress to the mean

[theograce]

Why do you want them to sneak into the playoffs. For what?

GM’s don’t want that

As someone who can imagine the impact of high end draftees, I still want them to make the playoffs and as INFURIATING as they have looked they are actually better than they looked. That's the issue, they are actually better and they aren't going to dismantle it enough to rebuild so they really have to move forward and try to get in. It's also best for the culture. Now they will get everyone's backup goalie as they claw back. You know they are going to claw back. They're sitting on the 4th pick now but they're headed for the middle and I'd rather the 17th-19th pick than the 14th pick.

Are there all sorts of flaws in the team that could stop it from happening? For sure. But the team is too good and it's a LONG season as we remind ourselves each year, I am just not yet ready to believe this is ending bottom 5 because of a maddening start with a fair amount of luck that will regress to the mean

I don’t see this as a good team. They will most likely get humbled in the playoffs even if they have great structure and work hardI didn’t last year either. The Flames had as many points last year and just looked great against a hot sharks team shutting down Celly. Other teams have improved as well

[seattleblue]

Why do you want them to sneak into the playoffs. For what?

GM’s don’t want that

As someone who can imagine the impact of high end draftees, I still want them to make the playoffs and as INFURIATING as they have looked they are actually better than they looked. That's the issue, they are actually better and they aren't going to dismantle it enough to rebuild so they really have to move forward and try to get in. It's also best for the culture. Now they will get everyone's backup goalie as they claw back. You know they are going to claw back. They're sitting on the 4th pick now but they're headed for the middle and I'd rather the 17th-19th pick than the 14th pick.

Are there all sorts of flaws in the team that could stop it from happening? For sure. But the team is too good and it's a LONG season as we remind ourselves each year, I am just not yet ready to believe this is ending bottom 5 because of a maddening start with a fair amount of luck that will regress to the mean

I don’t see this as a good team. They will most likely get humbled in the playoffs even if they have great structure and work hardI didn’t last year either. The Flames had as many points last year and just looked great against a hot sharks team shutting down Celly. Other teams have improved as well

I think 26-27 and especially 27-28 have a chance to be years where they're a good team by the way you see them, which I think I understand. But I have a lot more trouble seeing it if this year curves south. So my whole comment needs to be understood in light of that worry that accepting a curve south year (especially with a Final Year Armstrong making decisions, a more-volatile-than-not factor) is letting go of what could be good on the other side.

[theograce]

Why do you want them to sneak into the playoffs. For what?

GM’s don’t want that

As someone who can imagine the impact of high end draftees, I still want them to make the playoffs and as INFURIATING as they have looked they are actually better than they looked. That's the issue, they are actually better and they aren't going to dismantle it enough to rebuild so they really have to move forward and try to get in. It's also best for the culture. Now they will get everyone's backup goalie as they claw back. You know they are going to claw back. They're sitting on the 4th pick now but they're headed for the middle and I'd rather the 17th-19th pick than the 14th pick.

Are there all sorts of flaws in the team that could stop it from happening? For sure. But the team is too good and it's a LONG season as we remind ourselves each year, I am just not yet ready to believe this is ending bottom 5 because of a maddening start with a fair amount of luck that will regress to the mean

I don’t see this as a good team. They will most likely get humbled in the playoffs even if they have great structure and work hardI didn’t last year either. The Flames had as many points last year and just looked great against a hot sharks team shutting down Celly. Other teams have improved as well

I think 26-27 and especially 27-28 have a chance to be years where they're a good team by the way you see them, which I think I understand. But I have a lot more trouble seeing it if this year curves south. So my whole comment needs to be understood in light of that worry that accepting a curve south year (especially with a Final Year Armstrong making decisions, a more-volatile-than-not factor) is letting go of what could be good on the other side.

I’m not sure I could stomach watching them play a team like the Avs in the playoffs to be honest. I see no point in it…not even an experience angle. I also think there are problems in the room. There has to be. I’m also not impressed with the younger guys like Broberg or Snuggerud from a lay it on the line perspective. It’s just not an engaged or fun team for me. They could win 7 in a row and I think I’d feel the same.

[Blues Dave]

All we need to do is be ahead of enough teams behind us. Thank you.