MLB loses in 2025

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rockondlouie
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Re: MLB loses in 2025

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$350M is nothing to S. Cohen, the man is worth over $22B.

And I don't buy what Bob ("Tigers in Three") Nightingale is claiming.

Sounds like some pre-2027 lockout bull c r a p about "poor" MLB losing money being fed to the media by MLB hacks.

From A.I.:

Major League Baseball (MLB) is projected to have a total revenue of approximately $12.5 to $13 billion for the 2025 season

Attendance and Ticket Sales:
Following strong attendance in 2024 (the best in seven years), attendance figures were expected to remain high in 2025

Each club receives roughly $60 million annually from MLB’s central media fund.

Average team valuations have climbed around 10 percent annually since the 1990s.

MLB produces roughly $26.9 million in revenue per active player, based on league totals and a 450-player roster.

Each regular-season game generates about $4.6 million in revenue, averaged across 2,430 games.

Baseball’s compound annual growth rate since 1970 is around 11 percent, consistent with steady expansion across eras.

MLB teams maintain a value-to-revenue multiple of 8–12×, reflecting strong investor confidence.

The revenue yield on franchise values averages about 8 percent, signaling healthy long-term returns for owners
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Re: MLB loses in 2025

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ScotchMIrish wrote: 11 Nov 2025 13:42 pm
TheJackBurton wrote: 11 Nov 2025 13:26 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 11 Nov 2025 12:30 pm
ramfandan wrote: 11 Nov 2025 12:19 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 11 Nov 2025 11:44 am MLB already putting the spin out to blame the players for the strike and make the poor old billionaire owners out to be the good guys
First of all, if there is a stoppage in 2027 it will not be a 'STRIKE" .. A 'strike' is the employee ( players in this case ) refusing to report to work .
This would be the owners (management ) 'locking' out the employees from reporting to work . Yes, the owners can spin this as to blame the players but the owners have agreed to all the current rules themselves . Dont think the public is overwhelmingly going to blame the players .

Collective bargaining is the two sides sitting down and mutually agreeing to all working conditions.
If the owners wish a salary cap OK , then what do they have to offer the MLBA to give them in return . In labor negotiations, that is known as a 'quid pro quo ' (this for that ) . I heard one poster say the owners could reduce the years of free agency to 5 or 4 years (from current 6 years ) .
5 years ? outside chance 4 years ? no way no how that would cost the owners a mint if all players got to free agency that quickly in their system.
The players would love it but think that would be a non'- tarter for the owners Currently, the owners (relatively speaking by pay ) get a 2nd thru 5 year player on the cheap . In other occupations , if you are good at what you do , you can go to another company ..not in baseball.
At least that is my humble opinion
MLB needs to cap deferrals at a certain percentage of the total value of the contract. I think it should be low, but make it 20%
They won't but should go the NBA route of putting a max length on a contract.
Need to get teams spending - it's a disaster for markets with owners who aren't even trying. A floor at least accomplishes that.
Set a soft salary cap, trade off for players to get FA a year earlier.
This would never get traction, but I think if a player wants an opt-out, a portion of the contract after the opt-out should become non-guaranteed.
MLB technically already has a "soft salary cap" and it has done nothing to stop the big teams from spending and finding loopholes around the tax.

It needs a hard, defined salary cap and floor. We are witnessing the slow death of an American institution because of money, greed, and math nerds.
The problem is it's a soft cap. In addition MLB has moved to benefit the big market teams in rules regarding the draft, international signings and free agent compensation. Big market teams and the player's union are hurting the game.
oh without a doubt. Many teams can't compete with the signing bonuses the buying out of international contracts or have the available funds to properly scout the players.

Why there is an "international draft" in MLB is beyond me. All other leagues those players are just simply included in the draft that way every team has a shot at those players.

MLB is such a [shirt] show and I don't even know where to begin
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Re: MLB loses in 2025

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ScotchMIrish wrote: 11 Nov 2025 13:39 pm 2027 has to be a lockout.
Why?
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Re: MLB loses in 2025

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TheJackBurton wrote: 11 Nov 2025 14:13 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: 11 Nov 2025 13:42 pm
TheJackBurton wrote: 11 Nov 2025 13:26 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 11 Nov 2025 12:30 pm
ramfandan wrote: 11 Nov 2025 12:19 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 11 Nov 2025 11:44 am MLB already putting the spin out to blame the players for the strike and make the poor old billionaire owners out to be the good guys
First of all, if there is a stoppage in 2027 it will not be a 'STRIKE" .. A 'strike' is the employee ( players in this case ) refusing to report to work .
This would be the owners (management ) 'locking' out the employees from reporting to work . Yes, the owners can spin this as to blame the players but the owners have agreed to all the current rules themselves . Dont think the public is overwhelmingly going to blame the players .

Collective bargaining is the two sides sitting down and mutually agreeing to all working conditions.
If the owners wish a salary cap OK , then what do they have to offer the MLBA to give them in return . In labor negotiations, that is known as a 'quid pro quo ' (this for that ) . I heard one poster say the owners could reduce the years of free agency to 5 or 4 years (from current 6 years ) .
5 years ? outside chance 4 years ? no way no how that would cost the owners a mint if all players got to free agency that quickly in their system.
The players would love it but think that would be a non'- tarter for the owners Currently, the owners (relatively speaking by pay ) get a 2nd thru 5 year player on the cheap . In other occupations , if you are good at what you do , you can go to another company ..not in baseball.
At least that is my humble opinion
MLB needs to cap deferrals at a certain percentage of the total value of the contract. I think it should be low, but make it 20%
They won't but should go the NBA route of putting a max length on a contract.
Need to get teams spending - it's a disaster for markets with owners who aren't even trying. A floor at least accomplishes that.
Set a soft salary cap, trade off for players to get FA a year earlier.
This would never get traction, but I think if a player wants an opt-out, a portion of the contract after the opt-out should become non-guaranteed.
MLB technically already has a "soft salary cap" and it has done nothing to stop the big teams from spending and finding loopholes around the tax.

It needs a hard, defined salary cap and floor. We are witnessing the slow death of an American institution because of money, greed, and math nerds.
The problem is it's a soft cap. In addition MLB has moved to benefit the big market teams in rules regarding the draft, international signings and free agent compensation. Big market teams and the player's union are hurting the game.
oh without a doubt. Many teams can't compete with the signing bonuses the buying out of international contracts or have the available funds to properly scout the players.

Why there is an "international draft" in MLB is beyond me. All other leagues those players are just simply included in the draft that way every team has a shot at those players.

MLB is such a [shirt] show and I don't even know where to begin
The reason these changes happened is because the Pirates were spending more than any team on the draft and international signings and they became competitive as a result. MLBPA and big money teams hated that. Now the team losing a free agent no longer gets the acquiring team's first round pick. Instead they get a wedge pick and the team that signs the qualified free agent no longer loses their first round pick.

Instead of moving to more fairness MLB moved in the opposite direction.
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Re: MLB loses in 2025

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rockondlouie wrote: 11 Nov 2025 14:12 pm $350M is nothing to S. Cohen, the man is worth over $22B.
If he doesn't mind being pennyless in 63 years.
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Re: MLB loses in 2025

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rockondlouie wrote: 11 Nov 2025 14:12 pm MLB produces roughly $26.9 million in revenue per active player, based on league totals and a 450-player roster.
There are 30 teams, not 15 so you need to at least double the number of active players.

30 teams X (26 active players + 4 players on IL = 30 players per team) would be 900 active players.

Probably closer to 6 or 7 players per team on the MLB roster IL on a average day though so just under 1000 active MLB players.
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Re: MLB loses in 2025

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opti mist wrote: 11 Nov 2025 10:31 am "MLB has privately told owners that teams lost $1.8 billion last year, led by the New York Mets with about $350 million in losses,” Bob Nightengale reported for USA Today.

WOW!
Lol...loses
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