BobbyOrr wrote: ↑10 Nov 2025 07:04 am
Way to early to be making these judgments on Mailloux.
Heard the same [nonsense] on Pronger when that trade happened.
It takes longer for D to develop, give it time for now.
If this team didn't stink it up like we have this season, so far,
this would just be learning time for Malloux...
I could go back and re post the myriad of "prospect gurus" here telling me Jiricek was a busted pick at 18 yrs old. Now at 19 he's
16 5g 12 17 17 +13
Gotta give younger players esp D as you time and patience
Jiricek without the injury flirts with being a top 10 pick. Dvorsky was a top 10 pick. Carb seemingly has been the fastest to impress the coaching staff so seems like another good pick.
The only bummer with Mailloux is that his game isn't ready today. I'm willing to give the kid a year or 2 to make real future decisions. But LM has to be aware that Lindstein is definitely making this team next year, and Jiricek probably the next. If we are turning the keys over to Broberg, LM has basically until Faulks contract to show he doesn't need a veteran to be signed over the top of him.
Anyone bringing up Bolduc at this point is being a hypocrite. Do you think Montreal is stoked that Bolduc is averaging a worse clip than he did in STL? Do you think that they are stoked that a guy with a great shot has 1 goal and 1 assist in the last 12 games? I was a big fan of Bolduc and was bummed we traded him after all the years I was posting that we needed to bring him up as a PP specialist to replace Perron. But you can't say LM is a bust and then say Bolduc is everything when he is struggling for what he is supposed to deliver.
BobbyOrr wrote: ↑10 Nov 2025 07:04 am
Way to early to be making these judgments on Mailloux.
Heard the same [nonsense] on Pronger when that trade happened.
It takes longer for D to develop, give it time for now.
If this team didn't stink it up like we have this season, so far,
this would just be learning time for Malloux...
I could go back and re post the myriad of "prospect gurus" here telling me Jiricek was a busted pick at 18 yrs old. Now at 19 he's
16 5g 12 17 17 +13
Gotta give younger players esp D as you time and patience
Jiricek without the injury flirts with being a top 10 pick. Dvorsky was a top 10 pick. Carb seemingly has been the fastest to impress the coaching staff so seems like another good pick.
The only bummer with Mailloux is that his game isn't ready today. I'm willing to give the kid a year or 2 to make real future decisions. But LM has to be aware that Lindstein is definitely making this team next year, and Jiricek probably the next. If we are turning the keys over to Broberg, LM has basically until Faulks contract to show he doesn't need a veteran to be signed over the top of him.
Anyone bringing up Bolduc at this point is being a hypocrite. Do you think Montreal is stoked that Bolduc is averaging a worse clip than he did in STL? Do you think that they are stoked that a guy with a great shot has 1 goal and 1 assist in the last 12 games? I was a big fan of Bolduc and was bummed we traded him after all the years I was posting that we needed to bring him up as a PP specialist to replace Perron. But you can't say LM is a bust and then say Bolduc is everything when he is struggling for what he is supposed to deliver.
Man, right do Lindstein AND Jiricek make the Blues next season? Assuming Faulk is here
Broberg Parayko
Fowler Faulk
Lindstein Jiricek
Mailloux?
Faulk has 8pts in 16GP, -2 which isnt bad considering the team is awful. Do they trade Faulk, then what? Lindstein, Jiricek, Mailloux, Skinner arent likely going to be able to log 20+ TOI next season successfully although stranger things have happened.
Tony Palazzolo wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 08:12 am
I just don't get it with all the hate for this trade. We traded from a position of strength for a position of weakness. We traded a position that is easier to find for a position that is harder to find. The cost was a player that had more NHL experience for a player that still needs seasoning. It was never going to look good in year one. It may not pan out, but if it does it will in years 2, 3 and beyond. It's the same as trading a player for a draft pick except with a much shorter time frame.
I honestly don't know how you could not get it at this point that it was a bad trade.
RIGHT NOW it stands as an uneven trade.
The poster is talking about something very different than "right now".
[…] there needs to be a serious look at how we are evaluating d men around here and it needs addressed. Whoever we have doing that is doing a VERY poor job and whatever the process is it is in need of change.
Man. Isn’t that the truth. It’s been almost a decade of fumbling the bag on defense and its cost this organization a metric ton of prospects, money and time.
Pietrangelo- this horse has been beaten down so bad you can't even use it as filler in a McDonald's hamburger
Dunn- Kerbs brought it up, Miami and I have explained numerous times that there is no way Dunn should have been a Kraken. Seattle abused the rules to get 2 players from the Blues.
Mikkola- he was given multiple opportunities here to show who he was and was never anything special, was due for a larger raise, got traded to the Rangers and did nothing special. It was only when he went to Florida that he finally started to show something and it hasn't exactly been earth shattering there either.
Edmondson- how many teams has he been on now? He has issues and is becoming a one and done with teams.
Leddy- last year everyone wanted to give him away for a pair of old socks and now we are pining for him. Never stop being you.
Perunovich- what about him?
Krug- we signed a top left dman who was one of the best PP QBs in the league. It didn't work out because of injury that got aggravated and got significantly worse as it went on.
Mailloux- he is a work in progress we'll see how it turns out.
Who am I missing? I know there’s more.
Sure there is, just like there is for every single other team out there. Look at Gustav Forsling; Florida got him off waivers, waivers for Christ sake. He was an extremely average dman then something finally clicks for him there and all of a sudden he becomes one of the best defensive dmen in the league.
Dmen and goaltenders are a completely different breed and there's no telling when the light bulb moment will happen or if it ever will happen. You can only wait so many years before the salary cap takes effect and makes it an issue like it did with Mikkola. You don't think Army wouldn't have loved to keep Mikkola around another 2-3 seasons to see if he could turn it around? Of course he would have, but when you don't do anything of significance to justify the raise you are about to get its best to get something for him instead of letting him walk.
Small note about Dunn, it wasn't that Seattle abused the rules, the Blues chose to protect Paryako, Faulk and Krug over Dunn. Parayko and Faulk were obvious choices at the time to protect. Krug had just finished year 1 of his 7 year contract and it was still better than anything Dunn had accomplished up to that point. Krug was what they hoped Dunn would become. Since they already had a seasoned version of Dunn in Krug, they left Dunn exposed.
Tony Palazzolo wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 08:12 am
I just don't get it with all the hate for this trade. We traded from a position of strength for a position of weakness. We traded a position that is easier to find for a position that is harder to find. The cost was a player that had more NHL experience for a player that still needs seasoning. It was never going to look good in year one. It may not pan out, but if it does it will in years 2, 3 and beyond. It's the same as trading a player for a draft pick except with a much shorter time frame.
I honestly don't know how you could not get it at this point that it was a bad trade.
RIGHT NOW it stands as an uneven trade.
The poster is talking about something very different than "right now".
[…] there needs to be a serious look at how we are evaluating d men around here and it needs addressed. Whoever we have doing that is doing a VERY poor job and whatever the process is it is in need of change.
Man. Isn’t that the truth. It’s been almost a decade of fumbling the bag on defense and its cost this organization a metric ton of prospects, money and time.
Pietrangelo- this horse has been beaten down so bad you can't even use it as filler in a McDonald's hamburger
Dunn- Kerbs brought it up, Miami and I have explained numerous times that there is no way Dunn should have been a Kraken. Seattle abused the rules to get 2 players from the Blues.
Mikkola- he was given multiple opportunities here to show who he was and was never anything special, was due for a larger raise, got traded to the Rangers and did nothing special. It was only when he went to Florida that he finally started to show something and it hasn't exactly been earth shattering there either.
Edmondson- how many teams has he been on now? He has issues and is becoming a one and done with teams.
Leddy- last year everyone wanted to give him away for a pair of old socks and now we are pining for him. Never stop being you.
Perunovich- what about him?
Krug- we signed a top left dman who was one of the best PP QBs in the league. It didn't work out because of injury that got aggravated and got significantly worse as it went on.
Mailloux- he is a work in progress we'll see how it turns out.
Who am I missing? I know there’s more.
Sure there is, just like there is for every single other team out there. Look at Gustav Forsling; Florida got him off waivers, waivers for Christ sake. He was an extremely average dman then something finally clicks for him there and all of a sudden he becomes one of the best defensive dmen in the league.
Dmen and goaltenders are a completely different breed and there's no telling when the light bulb moment will happen or if it ever will happen. You can only wait so many years before the salary cap takes effect and makes it an issue like it did with Mikkola. You don't think Army wouldn't have loved to keep Mikkola around another 2-3 seasons to see if he could turn it around? Of course he would have, but when you don't do anything of significance to justify the raise you are about to get its best to get something for him instead of letting him walk.
Small note about Dunn, it wasn't that Seattle abused the rules, the Blues chose to protect Paryako, Faulk and Krug over Dunn. Parayko and Faulk were obvious choices at the time to protect. Krug had just finished year 1 of his 7 year contract and it was still better than anything Dunn had accomplished up to that point. Krug was what they hoped Dunn would become. Since they already had a seasoned version of Dunn in Krug, they left Dunn exposed.
That's not what I'm referencing.
The rule was Seattle had 3 days to talk to pending UFAs and if they signed them to a contract that counted as that teams pick.
Schwartz father had recently unexpectedly passed and with his sister gone as well that meant his mom was alone in Saskatchewan. He went and spoke with Francis and they evidently had an agreement in place on a contract but that he wouldn't sign in that 3 day period so that he wouldn't count as their pick. Since he didn't sign the UFA contract that meant the Blues were still part of the expansion draft and had Dunn taken.
A week after the expansion draft, and after talking to no other teams Schwartz signed with Seattle and aye voila 2 players from the Blues.
They abused a loophole and yet again the Blues were the ones who had to pay the price.
Tony Palazzolo wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 08:12 am
I just don't get it with all the hate for this trade. We traded from a position of strength for a position of weakness. We traded a position that is easier to find for a position that is harder to find. The cost was a player that had more NHL experience for a player that still needs seasoning. It was never going to look good in year one. It may not pan out, but if it does it will in years 2, 3 and beyond. It's the same as trading a player for a draft pick except with a much shorter time frame.
I honestly don't know how you could not get it at this point that it was a bad trade.
RIGHT NOW it stands as an uneven trade.
The poster is talking about something very different than "right now".
[…] there needs to be a serious look at how we are evaluating d men around here and it needs addressed. Whoever we have doing that is doing a VERY poor job and whatever the process is it is in need of change.
Man. Isn’t that the truth. It’s been almost a decade of fumbling the bag on defense and its cost this organization a metric ton of prospects, money and time.
Pietrangelo- this horse has been beaten down so bad you can't even use it as filler in a McDonald's hamburger
Dunn- Kerbs brought it up, Miami and I have explained numerous times that there is no way Dunn should have been a Kraken. Seattle abused the rules to get 2 players from the Blues.
Mikkola- he was given multiple opportunities here to show who he was and was never anything special, was due for a larger raise, got traded to the Rangers and did nothing special. It was only when he went to Florida that he finally started to show something and it hasn't exactly been earth shattering there either.
Edmondson- how many teams has he been on now? He has issues and is becoming a one and done with teams.
Leddy- last year everyone wanted to give him away for a pair of old socks and now we are pining for him. Never stop being you.
Perunovich- what about him?
Krug- we signed a top left dman who was one of the best PP QBs in the league. It didn't work out because of injury that got aggravated and got significantly worse as it went on.
Mailloux- he is a work in progress we'll see how it turns out.
Who am I missing? I know there’s more.
Sure there is, just like there is for every single other team out there. Look at Gustav Forsling; Florida got him off waivers, waivers for Christ sake. He was an extremely average dman then something finally clicks for him there and all of a sudden he becomes one of the best defensive dmen in the league.
Dmen and goaltenders are a completely different breed and there's no telling when the light bulb moment will happen or if it ever will happen. You can only wait so many years before the salary cap takes effect and makes it an issue like it did with Mikkola. You don't think Army wouldn't have loved to keep Mikkola around another 2-3 seasons to see if he could turn it around? Of course he would have, but when you don't do anything of significance to justify the raise you are about to get its best to get something for him instead of letting him walk.
Small note about Dunn, it wasn't that Seattle abused the rules, the Blues chose to protect Paryako, Faulk and Krug over Dunn. Parayko and Faulk were obvious choices at the time to protect. Krug had just finished year 1 of his 7 year contract and it was still better than anything Dunn had accomplished up to that point. Krug was what they hoped Dunn would become. Since they already had a seasoned version of Dunn in Krug, they left Dunn exposed.
That's not what I'm referencing.
The rule was Seattle had 3 days to talk to pending UFAs and if they signed them to a contract that counted as that teams pick.
Schwartz father had recently unexpectedly passed and with his sister gone as well that meant his mom was alone in Saskatchewan. He went and spoke with Francis and they evidently had an agreement in place on a contract but that he wouldn't sign in that 3 day period so that he wouldn't count as their pick. Since he didn't sign the UFA contract that meant the Blues were still part of the expansion draft and had Dunn taken.
A week after the expansion draft, and after talking to no other teams Schwartz signed with Seattle and aye voila 2 players from the Blues.
They abused a loophole and yet again the Blues were the ones who had to pay the price.
Yep. Schwartz signed within minutes of free agency opening. They already had that contract hammered out and it was, frankly, incompetent for the NHL to not account for this in the expansion draft rules. SEA clearly abused the intent of the pre-UFA exclusive window. They should have had to give up their pick from the Blues (or any team) just to talk to a pending UFA early.
Tony Palazzolo wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 08:12 am
I just don't get it with all the hate for this trade. We traded from a position of strength for a position of weakness. We traded a position that is easier to find for a position that is harder to find. The cost was a player that had more NHL experience for a player that still needs seasoning. It was never going to look good in year one. It may not pan out, but if it does it will in years 2, 3 and beyond. It's the same as trading a player for a draft pick except with a much shorter time frame.
I honestly don't know how you could not get it at this point that it was a bad trade.
RIGHT NOW it stands as an uneven trade.
The poster is talking about something very different than "right now".
[…] there needs to be a serious look at how we are evaluating d men around here and it needs addressed. Whoever we have doing that is doing a VERY poor job and whatever the process is it is in need of change.
Man. Isn’t that the truth. It’s been almost a decade of fumbling the bag on defense and its cost this organization a metric ton of prospects, money and time.
Pietrangelo- this horse has been beaten down so bad you can't even use it as filler in a McDonald's hamburger
Dunn- Kerbs brought it up, Miami and I have explained numerous times that there is no way Dunn should have been a Kraken. Seattle abused the rules to get 2 players from the Blues.
Mikkola- he was given multiple opportunities here to show who he was and was never anything special, was due for a larger raise, got traded to the Rangers and did nothing special. It was only when he went to Florida that he finally started to show something and it hasn't exactly been earth shattering there either.
Edmondson- how many teams has he been on now? He has issues and is becoming a one and done with teams.
Leddy- last year everyone wanted to give him away for a pair of old socks and now we are pining for him. Never stop being you.
Perunovich- what about him?
Krug- we signed a top left dman who was one of the best PP QBs in the league. It didn't work out because of injury that got aggravated and got significantly worse as it went on.
Mailloux- he is a work in progress we'll see how it turns out.
Who am I missing? I know there’s more.
Sure there is, just like there is for every single other team out there. Look at Gustav Forsling; Florida got him off waivers, waivers for Christ sake. He was an extremely average dman then something finally clicks for him there and all of a sudden he becomes one of the best defensive dmen in the league.
Dmen and goaltenders are a completely different breed and there's no telling when the light bulb moment will happen or if it ever will happen. You can only wait so many years before the salary cap takes effect and makes it an issue like it did with Mikkola. You don't think Army wouldn't have loved to keep Mikkola around another 2-3 seasons to see if he could turn it around? Of course he would have, but when you don't do anything of significance to justify the raise you are about to get its best to get something for him instead of letting him walk.
Small note about Dunn, it wasn't that Seattle abused the rules, the Blues chose to protect Paryako, Faulk and Krug over Dunn. Parayko and Faulk were obvious choices at the time to protect. Krug had just finished year 1 of his 7 year contract and it was still better than anything Dunn had accomplished up to that point. Krug was what they hoped Dunn would become. Since they already had a seasoned version of Dunn in Krug, they left Dunn exposed.
That's not what I'm referencing.
The rule was Seattle had 3 days to talk to pending UFAs and if they signed them to a contract that counted as that teams pick.
Schwartz father had recently unexpectedly passed and with his sister gone as well that meant his mom was alone in Saskatchewan. He went and spoke with Francis and they evidently had an agreement in place on a contract but that he wouldn't sign in that 3 day period so that he wouldn't count as their pick. Since he didn't sign the UFA contract that meant the Blues were still part of the expansion draft and had Dunn taken.
A week after the expansion draft, and after talking to no other teams Schwartz signed with Seattle and aye voila 2 players from the Blues.
They abused a loophole and yet again the Blues were the ones who had to pay the price.
Yep. Schwartz signed within minutes of free agency opening. They already had that contract hammered out and it was, frankly, incompetent for the NHL to not account for this in the expansion draft rules. SEA clearly abused the intent of the pre-UFA exclusive window. They should have had to give up their pick from the Blues (or any team) just to talk to a pending UFA early.
Yeah, I just don't understand how the NHL can't see these loopholes and go "yeah we shouldn't allow that" and yet it's always the teams that figure out the loopholes, abuse them, and the NHL about 10 years later finally adjusts to them.
Tony Palazzolo wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 08:12 am
I just don't get it with all the hate for this trade. We traded from a position of strength for a position of weakness. We traded a position that is easier to find for a position that is harder to find. The cost was a player that had more NHL experience for a player that still needs seasoning. It was never going to look good in year one. It may not pan out, but if it does it will in years 2, 3 and beyond. It's the same as trading a player for a draft pick except with a much shorter time frame.
I honestly don't know how you could not get it at this point that it was a bad trade.
RIGHT NOW it stands as an uneven trade.
The poster is talking about something very different than "right now".
[…] there needs to be a serious look at how we are evaluating d men around here and it needs addressed. Whoever we have doing that is doing a VERY poor job and whatever the process is it is in need of change.
Man. Isn’t that the truth. It’s been almost a decade of fumbling the bag on defense and its cost this organization a metric ton of prospects, money and time.
Pietrangelo- this horse has been beaten down so bad you can't even use it as filler in a McDonald's hamburger
Dunn- Kerbs brought it up, Miami and I have explained numerous times that there is no way Dunn should have been a Kraken. Seattle abused the rules to get 2 players from the Blues.
Mikkola- he was given multiple opportunities here to show who he was and was never anything special, was due for a larger raise, got traded to the Rangers and did nothing special. It was only when he went to Florida that he finally started to show something and it hasn't exactly been earth shattering there either.
Edmondson- how many teams has he been on now? He has issues and is becoming a one and done with teams.
Leddy- last year everyone wanted to give him away for a pair of old socks and now we are pining for him. Never stop being you.
Perunovich- what about him?
Krug- we signed a top left dman who was one of the best PP QBs in the league. It didn't work out because of injury that got aggravated and got significantly worse as it went on.
Mailloux- he is a work in progress we'll see how it turns out.
Who am I missing? I know there’s more.
Sure there is, just like there is for every single other team out there. Look at Gustav Forsling; Florida got him off waivers, waivers for Christ sake. He was an extremely average dman then something finally clicks for him there and all of a sudden he becomes one of the best defensive dmen in the league.
Dmen and goaltenders are a completely different breed and there's no telling when the light bulb moment will happen or if it ever will happen. You can only wait so many years before the salary cap takes effect and makes it an issue like it did with Mikkola. You don't think Army wouldn't have loved to keep Mikkola around another 2-3 seasons to see if he could turn it around? Of course he would have, but when you don't do anything of significance to justify the raise you are about to get its best to get something for him instead of letting him walk.
Small note about Dunn, it wasn't that Seattle abused the rules, the Blues chose to protect Paryako, Faulk and Krug over Dunn. Parayko and Faulk were obvious choices at the time to protect. Krug had just finished year 1 of his 7 year contract and it was still better than anything Dunn had accomplished up to that point. Krug was what they hoped Dunn would become. Since they already had a seasoned version of Dunn in Krug, they left Dunn exposed.
That's not what I'm referencing.
The rule was Seattle had 3 days to talk to pending UFAs and if they signed them to a contract that counted as that teams pick.
Schwartz father had recently unexpectedly passed and with his sister gone as well that meant his mom was alone in Saskatchewan. He went and spoke with Francis and they evidently had an agreement in place on a contract but that he wouldn't sign in that 3 day period so that he wouldn't count as their pick. Since he didn't sign the UFA contract that meant the Blues were still part of the expansion draft and had Dunn taken.
A week after the expansion draft, and after talking to no other teams Schwartz signed with Seattle and aye voila 2 players from the Blues.
They abused a loophole and yet again the Blues were the ones who had to pay the price.
Not too mention that the Blues didn't want to lose Dunn, and they tried every chance not to. They exposed Tarasenko because Tarasenko wanted a new contract somewhere else, and most teams would have taken that "starpower" to kickstart their franchise. But they tried to go the Vegas route and take a bunch of middle 6 people and hope it worked. It flopped the first year, they had some fun the 2nd and then been just hanging out since. Vegas abused the system in a different way.
The narrative that the Blues gave up on Dunn is a silly one. They tried to protect him by taking a massive risk and putting their star offensive player and exposing him.
