Jatalk wrote: ↑10 Nov 2025 08:28 am
Ok don’t shoot me. I see he is wxpected to get a one year deal for $5 million. I would keep the door open. I’m not convinced we have enough arms. He might could fill a role.
However I would be surprised if he would want a deal with Cards. He is looking for the chance to reprove himself. Role with Cardinals would be spot position. Fitting into rotation at times, bull pen role at other times. If he does ok trade at deadline possibly.
I agree, mostly, though I would offer him less money.
Tell MM he is starting the season in the bullpen, but will be treated as a swingman.
I seriously doubt though that MM is looking for a chance to reprove himself. He probably has the most starts in mlb the last 3 years.
But…he might be interested in proving himself as a reliever (see Cal Eldred). And like you said, possibly flip him at the deadline.
This would be the ultimate BDWJr move though, trying to pitch the useless Mikolas who's been one of the worst starters in MLB for years (Last 98 GS: 4.98 ERA) as a "fan favorite" to the fan base.
Hand the ball to minor league starter after minor league starter, sign a FA starter for $2-3M coming off an injury if you need innings but don't bring back this idiot.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑10 Nov 2025 08:39 am
OH H E L L NO!
This would be the ultimate BDWJr move though, trying to pitch the useless Mikolas who's been one of the worst starters in MLB for years (Last 98 GS: 4.98 ERA) as a "fan favorite" to the fan base.
Hand the ball to minor league starter after minor league starter, sign a FA starter for $2-3M coming off an injury if you need innings but don't bring back this idiot.
Resigning Mikolas actually isn't the worst idea in the world. Here's my point. They are not going to sign three difference maker arms, two they desperately need isn't going to happen either. So, if the price is right, offer him a one year, with an option for two, he does provide innings. He is your 4/5 guy, he is not the problem in the rotation pitching from there. Expecting him to match up against other teams top guys was the problem. I said it before, and I will mention it again. You need to understand the guys you have on your roster, what they are capable of, and then put them in the best position to succeed. THAT is the biggest thing that is not happening with this team. It is the very reason guys flourish under great managers, and then fall off the cliff on another roster, and visa versa. Mikolas could be very usefull if utilised properly. Reup him a season of two, let him retire a Cardinal, then debate if he is red jacket material. The dude has won almost 70 games as a Cardinal.
Just my thoughts.
Now, on the flipside, if they want to seriously sink some money into the rotation like they should, then all gets are off. But that ain't going to happen.
passthebuck wrote: ↑10 Nov 2025 12:12 pm
Resigning Mikolas actually isn't the worst idea in the world. Here's my point. They are not going to sign three difference maker arms, two they desperately need isn't going to happen either. So, if the price is right, offer him a one year, with an option for two, he does provide innings. He is your 4/5 guy, he is not the problem in the rotation pitching from there. Expecting him to match up against other teams top guys was the problem. I said it before, and I will mention it again. You need to understand the guys you have on your roster, what they are capable of, and then put them in the best position to succeed. THAT is the biggest thing that is not happening with this team. It is the very reason guys flourish under great managers, and then fall off the cliff on another roster, and visa versa. Mikolas could be very usefull if utilised properly. Reup him a season of two, let him retire a Cardinal, then debate if he is red jacket material.
passthebuck wrote: ↑10 Nov 2025 12:12 pm
Resigning Mikolas actually isn't the worst idea in the world. Here's my point. They are not going to sign three difference maker arms, two they desperately need isn't going to happen either. So, if the price is right, offer him a one year, with an option for two, he does provide innings. He is your 4/5 guy, he is not the problem in the rotation pitching from there. Expecting him to match up against other teams top guys was the problem. I said it before, and I will mention it again. You need to understand the guys you have on your roster, what they are capable of, and then put them in the best position to succeed. THAT is the biggest thing that is not happening with this team. It is the very reason guys flourish under great managers, and then fall off the cliff on another roster, and visa versa. Mikolas could be very usefull if utilised properly. Reup him a season of two, let him retire a Cardinal, then debate if he is red jacket material. The dude has won almost 70 games as a Cardinal.
Just my thoughts.
Now, on the flipside, if they want to seriously sink some money into the rotation like they should, then all gets are off. But that ain't going to happen.
Better pitchers than Mikolas didn't retire Cardinals. And I know the red jacket is a fan thing, but if anybody DIDN'T deserve it, it's Mikolas.
Also, Miles problem wasn't that he was expected to go up against guy like Skenes, Skubal, etc. He wasn't keeping pace with the middle rotation guys, either, and had to dog paddle to keep up with other BOTR guys. His rotten numbers back that up.
passthebuck wrote: ↑10 Nov 2025 12:12 pm
Resigning Mikolas actually isn't the worst idea in the world. Here's my point. They are not going to sign three difference maker arms, two they desperately need isn't going to happen either. So, if the price is right, offer him a one year, with an option for two, he does provide innings. He is your 4/5 guy, he is not the problem in the rotation pitching from there. Expecting him to match up against other teams top guys was the problem. I said it before, and I will mention it again. You need to understand the guys you have on your roster, what they are capable of, and then put them in the best position to succeed. THAT is the biggest thing that is not happening with this team. It is the very reason guys flourish under great managers, and then fall off the cliff on another roster, and visa versa. Mikolas could be very usefull if utilised properly. Reup him a season of two, let him retire a Cardinal, then debate if he is red jacket material. The dude has won almost 70 games as a Cardinal.
Just my thoughts.
Now, on the flipside, if they want to seriously sink some money into the rotation like they should, then all gets are off. But that ain't going to happen.
Strongly disagree.
I never want to see that clown in St. Louis again.
passthebuck wrote: ↑10 Nov 2025 12:12 pm
Resigning Mikolas actually isn't the worst idea in the world. Here's my point. They are not going to sign three difference maker arms, two they desperately need isn't going to happen either. So, if the price is right, offer him a one year, with an option for two, he does provide innings. He is your 4/5 guy, he is not the problem in the rotation pitching from there. Expecting him to match up against other teams top guys was the problem. I said it before, and I will mention it again. You need to understand the guys you have on your roster, what they are capable of, and then put them in the best position to succeed. THAT is the biggest thing that is not happening with this team. It is the very reason guys flourish under great managers, and then fall off the cliff on another roster, and visa versa. Mikolas could be very usefull if utilised properly. Reup him a season of two, let him retire a Cardinal, then debate if he is red jacket material. The dude has won almost 70 games as a Cardinal.
Just my thoughts.
Now, on the flipside, if they want to seriously sink some money into the rotation like they should, then all gets are off. But that ain't going to happen.
Strongly disagree.
I never want to see that clown in St. Louis again.
Hopefully Bloom agrees.
In addition to a better team, better optics and a better vibe with the fans is needed. This ain't it.
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑10 Nov 2025 22:19 pm
Bloom, almost definitely no. He will move forward with the rotation. Now Mo on the other hand would have extended him with a NTC. That guy was a putz.
Bingo juan
If it does happen, then it wil be a BDWJr move and NOT a C. Bloom move although he'll be ordered to "sell it" to the fan base.
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑10 Nov 2025 22:19 pm
Bloom, almost definitely no. He will move forward with the rotation. Now Mo on the other hand would have extended him with a NTC. That guy was a putz.
Bingo juan
If it does happen, then it wil be a BDWJr move and NOT a C. Bloom move although he'll be ordered to "sell it" to the fan base.
Better %^^*ing not happen.
How is this even remotely a thing?? Rebuilding….Youth….Turning the Page…..and someone with a pulse in the Cards org would think of bringing back Miles???
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑10 Nov 2025 22:19 pm
Bloom, almost definitely no. He will move forward with the rotation. Now Mo on the other hand would have extended him with a NTC. That guy was a putz.
Bingo juan
If it does happen, then it wil be a BDWJr move and NOT a C. Bloom move although he'll be ordered to "sell it" to the fan base.
Better %^^*ing not happen.
How is this even remotely a thing?? Rebuilding….Youth….Turning the Page…..and someone with a pulse in the Cards org would think of bringing back Miles???
It can't be GF
And if BDWJr thinks the fan base would applaud bringing back that idiot, then he's even more clueless than we thought.
Let's hope Bloom tells him, "H E L L NO!" and he listens.
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑10 Nov 2025 22:19 pm
Bloom, almost definitely no. He will move forward with the rotation. Now Mo on the other hand would have extended him with a NTC. That guy was a putz.
Bingo juan
If it does happen, then it wil be a BDWJr move and NOT a C. Bloom move although he'll be ordered to "sell it" to the fan base.
Better %^^*ing not happen.
How is this even remotely a thing?? Rebuilding….Youth….Turning the Page…..and someone with a pulse in the Cards org would think of bringing back Miles???
No matter what, the team will probably sign two vet starters to one year deals.
You can let, for example, Jordan Walker flounder. You can’t really do that with pitching staffs.