Scotch-Mel is wrong about all of this except Aranado. Noot, Walker, and Matthews have no real trade value. We would be giving them away. Donovan has value. Bernal is not the catching prospect they trade. Melville likes Crooks.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 10:10 amI don't know enough about Bernal but Nootbaar brings nothing in return. Same with Walker. Mathews walked 74 in 99 innings. The only potential bright spot is if Bloom is changing the overbearing front office knows everything attitude and possibly Walker will revert to his rookie year before they sent him down to change/ruin his swing. Nootbaar would be a trade simply to clear a roster spot. Could Mathews learn how to throw strikes? Doubt he will bring much in return until and unless he does.Melville wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 09:07 amThe way to trade N/A is to simply eat money.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 08:38 am100% correct but that's exactly what he did with Betts and he has indicated he is looking to deal Gray and Arenado along with Donovan.Melville wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 22:57 pmThat would diminish the return for Donovan which would defeat the purpose of dealing him to begin with.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 21:07 pm By no means am I comparing Betts and Donovan in terms of trade value but Bloom coupled Betts with David Price who was making $32 million a year with 2 years remaining on his contract and his talent had fallen to far below that number.
Could Donovan be coupled with either Arenado or Gray to try to get the other team to take on a lot of salary? Perhaps in the deal we get a prospect and some international signing money and with the money saved we sign a free agent?
STL traded him once already and can easily do so again.
N/A is owed less now than he was then, and exactly as I predicted N/A realized the blunder he made in refusing to report.
He will gladly leave this time.
As for Gray, the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is to keep him.
There is zero upside to trading him this off-season.
The correct trade pieces are Mootbaar (as I alone have correctly advised for the past 4 seasons), Walker, Mathews, and Bernal - along with a handful of others who could complement assorted trade packages.
Donovan should move to LF and be offered a reasonable 3 year extension - and if he does not sign it, he should be moved in July.
This stuff ain't hard.
We are about to learn if Bloom is smart enough to see it.
Arenado would be to clear roster space. Unless they can hit a home run in a Donovan trade I'd keep him with an infield of Donovan, Winn, Wetherholt and Contreras or Hererra or Burleson at 1B depending on possible trades.
I believe Contreras would bring good return. Gray is still a legit starter although no longer an ace but his contract is probably going to get him traded.
Will Bloom do something similar to the Betts trade with Donovan?
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Re: Will Bloom do something similar to the Betts trade with Donovan?
You think I am the same person as Melville?2ninr wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 06:19 amScotch-Mel is wrong about all of this except Aranado. Noot, Walker, and Matthews have no real trade value. We would be giving them away. Donovan has value. Bernal is not the catching prospect they trade. Melville likes Crooks.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 10:10 amI don't know enough about Bernal but Nootbaar brings nothing in return. Same with Walker. Mathews walked 74 in 99 innings. The only potential bright spot is if Bloom is changing the overbearing front office knows everything attitude and possibly Walker will revert to his rookie year before they sent him down to change/ruin his swing. Nootbaar would be a trade simply to clear a roster spot. Could Mathews learn how to throw strikes? Doubt he will bring much in return until and unless he does.Melville wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 09:07 amThe way to trade N/A is to simply eat money.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 08:38 am100% correct but that's exactly what he did with Betts and he has indicated he is looking to deal Gray and Arenado along with Donovan.Melville wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 22:57 pmThat would diminish the return for Donovan which would defeat the purpose of dealing him to begin with.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 21:07 pm By no means am I comparing Betts and Donovan in terms of trade value but Bloom coupled Betts with David Price who was making $32 million a year with 2 years remaining on his contract and his talent had fallen to far below that number.
Could Donovan be coupled with either Arenado or Gray to try to get the other team to take on a lot of salary? Perhaps in the deal we get a prospect and some international signing money and with the money saved we sign a free agent?
STL traded him once already and can easily do so again.
N/A is owed less now than he was then, and exactly as I predicted N/A realized the blunder he made in refusing to report.
He will gladly leave this time.
As for Gray, the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is to keep him.
There is zero upside to trading him this off-season.
The correct trade pieces are Mootbaar (as I alone have correctly advised for the past 4 seasons), Walker, Mathews, and Bernal - along with a handful of others who could complement assorted trade packages.
Donovan should move to LF and be offered a reasonable 3 year extension - and if he does not sign it, he should be moved in July.
This stuff ain't hard.
We are about to learn if Bloom is smart enough to see it.
Arenado would be to clear roster space. Unless they can hit a home run in a Donovan trade I'd keep him with an infield of Donovan, Winn, Wetherholt and Contreras or Hererra or Burleson at 1B depending on possible trades.
I believe Contreras would bring good return. Gray is still a legit starter although no longer an ace but his contract is probably going to get him traded.
Re: Will Bloom do something similar to the Betts trade with Donovan?
There's only 1 Mel and you aren't it.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 06:30 amYou think I am the same person as Melville?2ninr wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 06:19 amScotch-Mel is wrong about all of this except Aranado. Noot, Walker, and Matthews have no real trade value. We would be giving them away. Donovan has value. Bernal is not the catching prospect they trade. Melville likes Crooks.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 10:10 amI don't know enough about Bernal but Nootbaar brings nothing in return. Same with Walker. Mathews walked 74 in 99 innings. The only potential bright spot is if Bloom is changing the overbearing front office knows everything attitude and possibly Walker will revert to his rookie year before they sent him down to change/ruin his swing. Nootbaar would be a trade simply to clear a roster spot. Could Mathews learn how to throw strikes? Doubt he will bring much in return until and unless he does.Melville wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 09:07 amThe way to trade N/A is to simply eat money.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 08:38 am100% correct but that's exactly what he did with Betts and he has indicated he is looking to deal Gray and Arenado along with Donovan.Melville wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 22:57 pmThat would diminish the return for Donovan which would defeat the purpose of dealing him to begin with.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 21:07 pm By no means am I comparing Betts and Donovan in terms of trade value but Bloom coupled Betts with David Price who was making $32 million a year with 2 years remaining on his contract and his talent had fallen to far below that number.
Could Donovan be coupled with either Arenado or Gray to try to get the other team to take on a lot of salary? Perhaps in the deal we get a prospect and some international signing money and with the money saved we sign a free agent?
STL traded him once already and can easily do so again.
N/A is owed less now than he was then, and exactly as I predicted N/A realized the blunder he made in refusing to report.
He will gladly leave this time.
As for Gray, the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is to keep him.
There is zero upside to trading him this off-season.
The correct trade pieces are Mootbaar (as I alone have correctly advised for the past 4 seasons), Walker, Mathews, and Bernal - along with a handful of others who could complement assorted trade packages.
Donovan should move to LF and be offered a reasonable 3 year extension - and if he does not sign it, he should be moved in July.
This stuff ain't hard.
We are about to learn if Bloom is smart enough to see it.
Arenado would be to clear roster space. Unless they can hit a home run in a Donovan trade I'd keep him with an infield of Donovan, Winn, Wetherholt and Contreras or Hererra or Burleson at 1B depending on possible trades.
I believe Contreras would bring good return. Gray is still a legit starter although no longer an ace but his contract is probably going to get him traded.
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Re: Will Bloom do something similar to the Betts trade with Donovan?
That's correct. Perhaps you should re-read what I posted. It wasn't the same as Melville.2ninr wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 06:35 amThere's only 1 Mel and you aren't it.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 06:30 amYou think I am the same person as Melville?2ninr wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 06:19 amScotch-Mel is wrong about all of this except Aranado. Noot, Walker, and Matthews have no real trade value. We would be giving them away. Donovan has value. Bernal is not the catching prospect they trade. Melville likes Crooks.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 10:10 amI don't know enough about Bernal but Nootbaar brings nothing in return. Same with Walker. Mathews walked 74 in 99 innings. The only potential bright spot is if Bloom is changing the overbearing front office knows everything attitude and possibly Walker will revert to his rookie year before they sent him down to change/ruin his swing. Nootbaar would be a trade simply to clear a roster spot. Could Mathews learn how to throw strikes? Doubt he will bring much in return until and unless he does.Melville wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 09:07 amThe way to trade N/A is to simply eat money.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 08:38 am100% correct but that's exactly what he did with Betts and he has indicated he is looking to deal Gray and Arenado along with Donovan.Melville wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 22:57 pmThat would diminish the return for Donovan which would defeat the purpose of dealing him to begin with.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 21:07 pm By no means am I comparing Betts and Donovan in terms of trade value but Bloom coupled Betts with David Price who was making $32 million a year with 2 years remaining on his contract and his talent had fallen to far below that number.
Could Donovan be coupled with either Arenado or Gray to try to get the other team to take on a lot of salary? Perhaps in the deal we get a prospect and some international signing money and with the money saved we sign a free agent?
STL traded him once already and can easily do so again.
N/A is owed less now than he was then, and exactly as I predicted N/A realized the blunder he made in refusing to report.
He will gladly leave this time.
As for Gray, the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is to keep him.
There is zero upside to trading him this off-season.
The correct trade pieces are Mootbaar (as I alone have correctly advised for the past 4 seasons), Walker, Mathews, and Bernal - along with a handful of others who could complement assorted trade packages.
Donovan should move to LF and be offered a reasonable 3 year extension - and if he does not sign it, he should be moved in July.
This stuff ain't hard.
We are about to learn if Bloom is smart enough to see it.
Arenado would be to clear roster space. Unless they can hit a home run in a Donovan trade I'd keep him with an infield of Donovan, Winn, Wetherholt and Contreras or Hererra or Burleson at 1B depending on possible trades.
I believe Contreras would bring good return. Gray is still a legit starter although no longer an ace but his contract is probably going to get him traded.
Re: Will Bloom do something similar to the Betts trade with Donovan?
I ws agreeing with you. I do know about Bernal. Mel insists they're trading him and keeping jimmi Crooks. Bernal is better defense by far and switch hit.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑That's correct. Perhaps you should re-read what I posted. It wasn't the same as Melville.2ninr wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 06:35 amThere's only 1 Mel and you aren't it.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 06:30 amYou think I am the same person as Melville?2ninr wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 06:19 amScotch-Mel is wrong about all of this except Aranado. Noot, Walker, and Matthews have no real trade value. We would be giving them away. Donovan has value. Bernal is not the catching prospect they trade. Melville likes Crooks.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 10:10 amI don't know enough about Bernal but Nootbaar brings nothing in return. Same with Walker. Mathews walked 74 in 99 innings. The only potential bright spot is if Bloom is changing the overbearing front office knows everything attitude and possibly Walker will revert to his rookie year before they sent him down to change/ruin his swing. Nootbaar would be a trade simply to clear a roster spot. Could Mathews learn how to throw strikes? Doubt he will bring much in return until and unless he does.Melville wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 09:07 amThe way to trade N/A is to simply eat money.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 08:38 am100% correct but that's exactly what he did with Betts and he has indicated he is looking to deal Gray and Arenado along with Donovan.Melville wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 22:57 pmThat would diminish the return for Donovan which would defeat the purpose of dealing him to begin with.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 21:07 pm By no means am I comparing Betts and Donovan in terms of trade value but Bloom coupled Betts with David Price who was making $32 million a year with 2 years remaining on his contract and his talent had fallen to far below that number.
Could Donovan be coupled with either Arenado or Gray to try to get the other team to take on a lot of salary? Perhaps in the deal we get a prospect and some international signing money and with the money saved we sign a free agent?
STL traded him once already and can easily do so again.
N/A is owed less now than he was then, and exactly as I predicted N/A realized the blunder he made in refusing to report.
He will gladly leave this time.
As for Gray, the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is to keep him.
There is zero upside to trading him this off-season.
The correct trade pieces are Mootbaar (as I alone have correctly advised for the past 4 seasons), Walker, Mathews, and Bernal - along with a handful of others who could complement assorted trade packages.
Donovan should move to LF and be offered a reasonable 3 year extension - and if he does not sign it, he should be moved in July.
This stuff ain't hard.
We are about to learn if Bloom is smart enough to see it.
Arenado would be to clear roster space. Unless they can hit a home run in a Donovan trade I'd keep him with an infield of Donovan, Winn, Wetherholt and Contreras or Hererra or Burleson at 1B depending on possible trades.
I believe Contreras would bring good return. Gray is still a legit starter although no longer an ace but his contract is probably going to get him traded.
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Re: Will Bloom do something similar to the Betts trade with Donovan?
Okay. Do you think Hererra will be able to catch after the arm surgery or was he bad at throwing out runners prior to the injury?2ninr wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 07:12 amI ws agreeing with you. I do know about Bernal. Mel insists they're trading him and keeping jimmi Crooks. Bernal is better defense by far and switch hit.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑That's correct. Perhaps you should re-read what I posted. It wasn't the same as Melville.2ninr wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 06:35 amThere's only 1 Mel and you aren't it.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 06:30 amYou think I am the same person as Melville?2ninr wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 06:19 amScotch-Mel is wrong about all of this except Aranado. Noot, Walker, and Matthews have no real trade value. We would be giving them away. Donovan has value. Bernal is not the catching prospect they trade. Melville likes Crooks.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 10:10 amI don't know enough about Bernal but Nootbaar brings nothing in return. Same with Walker. Mathews walked 74 in 99 innings. The only potential bright spot is if Bloom is changing the overbearing front office knows everything attitude and possibly Walker will revert to his rookie year before they sent him down to change/ruin his swing. Nootbaar would be a trade simply to clear a roster spot. Could Mathews learn how to throw strikes? Doubt he will bring much in return until and unless he does.Melville wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 09:07 amThe way to trade N/A is to simply eat money.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 08:38 am100% correct but that's exactly what he did with Betts and he has indicated he is looking to deal Gray and Arenado along with Donovan.Melville wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 22:57 pmThat would diminish the return for Donovan which would defeat the purpose of dealing him to begin with.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 21:07 pm By no means am I comparing Betts and Donovan in terms of trade value but Bloom coupled Betts with David Price who was making $32 million a year with 2 years remaining on his contract and his talent had fallen to far below that number.
Could Donovan be coupled with either Arenado or Gray to try to get the other team to take on a lot of salary? Perhaps in the deal we get a prospect and some international signing money and with the money saved we sign a free agent?
STL traded him once already and can easily do so again.
N/A is owed less now than he was then, and exactly as I predicted N/A realized the blunder he made in refusing to report.
He will gladly leave this time.
As for Gray, the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is to keep him.
There is zero upside to trading him this off-season.
The correct trade pieces are Mootbaar (as I alone have correctly advised for the past 4 seasons), Walker, Mathews, and Bernal - along with a handful of others who could complement assorted trade packages.
Donovan should move to LF and be offered a reasonable 3 year extension - and if he does not sign it, he should be moved in July.
This stuff ain't hard.
We are about to learn if Bloom is smart enough to see it.
Arenado would be to clear roster space. Unless they can hit a home run in a Donovan trade I'd keep him with an infield of Donovan, Winn, Wetherholt and Contreras or Hererra or Burleson at 1B depending on possible trades.
I believe Contreras would bring good return. Gray is still a legit starter although no longer an ace but his contract is probably going to get him traded.
Re: Will Bloom do something similar to the Betts trade with Donovan?
I am baffled by it. He ((Herrera) wasn't just bad. I don't see how this surgery transforms him into a good defensive catcher. The only thing I can figure is he asked and they're accommodating him. Maybe he plays until Bernal is ready.Bernal is the best defensive catcher we have in the system. His offense tailed off last year, or I would say he had a shot out of spring training. I don't see them trading Herrera, but it's more likely than Bernal.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 08:24 amOkay. Do you think Hererra will be able to catch after the arm surgery or was he bad at throwing out runners prior to the injury?2ninr wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 07:12 amI ws agreeing with you. I do know about Bernal. Mel insists they're trading him and keeping jimmi Crooks. Bernal is better defense by far and switch hit.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑That's correct. Perhaps you should re-read what I posted. It wasn't the same as Melville.2ninr wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 06:35 amThere's only 1 Mel and you aren't it.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 06:30 amYou think I am the same person as Melville?2ninr wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 06:19 amScotch-Mel is wrong about all of this except Aranado. Noot, Walker, and Matthews have no real trade value. We would be giving them away. Donovan has value. Bernal is not the catching prospect they trade. Melville likes Crooks.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 10:10 amI don't know enough about Bernal but Nootbaar brings nothing in return. Same with Walker. Mathews walked 74 in 99 innings. The only potential bright spot is if Bloom is changing the overbearing front office knows everything attitude and possibly Walker will revert to his rookie year before they sent him down to change/ruin his swing. Nootbaar would be a trade simply to clear a roster spot. Could Mathews learn how to throw strikes? Doubt he will bring much in return until and unless he does.Melville wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 09:07 amThe way to trade N/A is to simply eat money.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 08:38 am100% correct but that's exactly what he did with Betts and he has indicated he is looking to deal Gray and Arenado along with Donovan.Melville wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 22:57 pmThat would diminish the return for Donovan which would defeat the purpose of dealing him to begin with.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 21:07 pm By no means am I comparing Betts and Donovan in terms of trade value but Bloom coupled Betts with David Price who was making $32 million a year with 2 years remaining on his contract and his talent had fallen to far below that number.
Could Donovan be coupled with either Arenado or Gray to try to get the other team to take on a lot of salary? Perhaps in the deal we get a prospect and some international signing money and with the money saved we sign a free agent?
STL traded him once already and can easily do so again.
N/A is owed less now than he was then, and exactly as I predicted N/A realized the blunder he made in refusing to report.
He will gladly leave this time.
As for Gray, the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is to keep him.
There is zero upside to trading him this off-season.
The correct trade pieces are Mootbaar (as I alone have correctly advised for the past 4 seasons), Walker, Mathews, and Bernal - along with a handful of others who could complement assorted trade packages.
Donovan should move to LF and be offered a reasonable 3 year extension - and if he does not sign it, he should be moved in July.
This stuff ain't hard.
We are about to learn if Bloom is smart enough to see it.
Arenado would be to clear roster space. Unless they can hit a home run in a Donovan trade I'd keep him with an infield of Donovan, Winn, Wetherholt and Contreras or Hererra or Burleson at 1B depending on possible trades.
I believe Contreras would bring good return. Gray is still a legit starter although no longer an ace but his contract is probably going to get him traded.
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Re: Will Bloom do something similar to the Betts trade with Donovan?
I’m muffed. Face first. We don’t have a Betts so I don’t think it applies. That shook baseball. Trading Donovan would barely rattle STL.
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Re: Will Bloom do something similar to the Betts trade with Donovan?
Mel,Melville wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 09:07 amThe way to trade N/A is to simply eat money.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 08:38 am100% correct but that's exactly what he did with Betts and he has indicated he is looking to deal Gray and Arenado along with Donovan.Melville wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 22:57 pmThat would diminish the return for Donovan which would defeat the purpose of dealing him to begin with.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 21:07 pm By no means am I comparing Betts and Donovan in terms of trade value but Bloom coupled Betts with David Price who was making $32 million a year with 2 years remaining on his contract and his talent had fallen to far below that number.
Could Donovan be coupled with either Arenado or Gray to try to get the other team to take on a lot of salary? Perhaps in the deal we get a prospect and some international signing money and with the money saved we sign a free agent?
STL traded him once already and can easily do so again.
N/A is owed less now than he was then, and exactly as I predicted N/A realized the blunder he made in refusing to report.
He will gladly leave this time.
As for Gray, the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is to keep him.
There is zero upside to trading him this off-season.
The correct trade pieces are Mootbaar (as I alone have correctly advised for the past 4 seasons), Walker, Mathews, and Bernal - along with a handful of others who could complement assorted trade packages.
Donovan should move to LF and be offered a reasonable 3 year extension - and if he does not sign it, he should be moved in July.
This stuff ain't hard.
We are about to learn if Bloom is smart enough to see it.
You knew Mo better than he knew himself. That was obvious. What about Bloom?
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Re: Will Bloom do something similar to the Betts trade with Donovan?
Bloom is creative and thinks out of the box. I wouldn't be surprised if he couples a player like Nado with a big contract with a prospect or a player with an affordable contract like Donovan, prospect or Noot to sweeten the deal.
Re: Will Bloom do something similar to the Betts trade with Donovan?
No, he wouldn't do that. Unless it sweetens the return in an way he approves of.redbirdfan51 wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 10:12 am Bloom is creative and thinks out of the box. I wouldn't be surprised if he couples a player like Nado with a big contract with a prospect or a player with an affordable contract like Donovan, prospect or Noot to sweeten the deal.
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Re: Will Bloom do something similar to the Betts trade with Donovan?
I think Hererra is either a DH or 1B going forward. One reason I could see a Contreras deal. I'd move him before I moved Burleson or Hererra and we might get something in return.2ninr wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 09:17 amI am baffled by it. He ((Herrera) wasn't just bad. I don't see how this surgery transforms him into a good defensive catcher. The only thing I can figure is he asked and they're accommodating him. Maybe he plays until Bernal is ready.Bernal is the best defensive catcher we have in the system. His offense tailed off last year, or I would say he had a shot out of spring training. I don't see them trading Herrera, but it's more likely than Bernal.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 08:24 amOkay. Do you think Hererra will be able to catch after the arm surgery or was he bad at throwing out runners prior to the injury?2ninr wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 07:12 amI ws agreeing with you. I do know about Bernal. Mel insists they're trading him and keeping jimmi Crooks. Bernal is better defense by far and switch hit.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑That's correct. Perhaps you should re-read what I posted. It wasn't the same as Melville.2ninr wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 06:35 amThere's only 1 Mel and you aren't it.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 06:30 amYou think I am the same person as Melville?2ninr wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 06:19 amScotch-Mel is wrong about all of this except Aranado. Noot, Walker, and Matthews have no real trade value. We would be giving them away. Donovan has value. Bernal is not the catching prospect they trade. Melville likes Crooks.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 10:10 amI don't know enough about Bernal but Nootbaar brings nothing in return. Same with Walker. Mathews walked 74 in 99 innings. The only potential bright spot is if Bloom is changing the overbearing front office knows everything attitude and possibly Walker will revert to his rookie year before they sent him down to change/ruin his swing. Nootbaar would be a trade simply to clear a roster spot. Could Mathews learn how to throw strikes? Doubt he will bring much in return until and unless he does.Melville wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 09:07 amThe way to trade N/A is to simply eat money.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 08:38 am100% correct but that's exactly what he did with Betts and he has indicated he is looking to deal Gray and Arenado along with Donovan.Melville wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 22:57 pmThat would diminish the return for Donovan which would defeat the purpose of dealing him to begin with.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 21:07 pm By no means am I comparing Betts and Donovan in terms of trade value but Bloom coupled Betts with David Price who was making $32 million a year with 2 years remaining on his contract and his talent had fallen to far below that number.
Could Donovan be coupled with either Arenado or Gray to try to get the other team to take on a lot of salary? Perhaps in the deal we get a prospect and some international signing money and with the money saved we sign a free agent?
STL traded him once already and can easily do so again.
N/A is owed less now than he was then, and exactly as I predicted N/A realized the blunder he made in refusing to report.
He will gladly leave this time.
As for Gray, the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is to keep him.
There is zero upside to trading him this off-season.
The correct trade pieces are Mootbaar (as I alone have correctly advised for the past 4 seasons), Walker, Mathews, and Bernal - along with a handful of others who could complement assorted trade packages.
Donovan should move to LF and be offered a reasonable 3 year extension - and if he does not sign it, he should be moved in July.
This stuff ain't hard.
We are about to learn if Bloom is smart enough to see it.
Arenado would be to clear roster space. Unless they can hit a home run in a Donovan trade I'd keep him with an infield of Donovan, Winn, Wetherholt and Contreras or Hererra or Burleson at 1B depending on possible trades.
I believe Contreras would bring good return. Gray is still a legit starter although no longer an ace but his contract is probably going to get him traded.
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Re: Will Bloom do something similar to the Betts trade with Donovan?
I think if this takes place you’ll see him package Burley or someone like that with Donovan to secure a high profiled / valued prospect. I don’t see them leveraging Donny to dump one of the high priced vets. I think that trade should happen in isolation. Too much risk these players can back out at the last minute and F the whole thing up.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 21:07 pm By no means am I comparing Betts and Donovan in terms of trade value but Bloom coupled Betts with David Price who was making $32 million a year with 2 years remaining on his contract and his talent had fallen to far below that number.
Could Donovan be coupled with either Arenado or Gray to try to get the other team to take on a lot of salary? Perhaps in the deal we get a prospect and some international signing money and with the money saved we sign a free agent?
Re: Will Bloom do something similar to the Betts trade with Donovan?
I recently posted this:Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 09:26 amMel,Melville wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 09:07 amThe way to trade N/A is to simply eat money.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 08:38 am100% correct but that's exactly what he did with Betts and he has indicated he is looking to deal Gray and Arenado along with Donovan.Melville wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 22:57 pmThat would diminish the return for Donovan which would defeat the purpose of dealing him to begin with.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 21:07 pm By no means am I comparing Betts and Donovan in terms of trade value but Bloom coupled Betts with David Price who was making $32 million a year with 2 years remaining on his contract and his talent had fallen to far below that number.
Could Donovan be coupled with either Arenado or Gray to try to get the other team to take on a lot of salary? Perhaps in the deal we get a prospect and some international signing money and with the money saved we sign a free agent?
STL traded him once already and can easily do so again.
N/A is owed less now than he was then, and exactly as I predicted N/A realized the blunder he made in refusing to report.
He will gladly leave this time.
As for Gray, the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is to keep him.
There is zero upside to trading him this off-season.
The correct trade pieces are Mootbaar (as I alone have correctly advised for the past 4 seasons), Walker, Mathews, and Bernal - along with a handful of others who could complement assorted trade packages.
Donovan should move to LF and be offered a reasonable 3 year extension - and if he does not sign it, he should be moved in July.
This stuff ain't hard.
We are about to learn if Bloom is smart enough to see it.
You knew Mo better than he knew himself. That was obvious. What about Bloom?
"As was illustrated many, many times, I knew Mo better than Mo knew Mo.
But things have changed.
There simply are not enough indicators as of yet to clarify the DeWitt / Bloom vision.
Of course, I know exactly what Bloom SHOULD do - but it is far too early to predict what he WILL do."
Bottom line.
I do not know Bloom....yet.
But I will.
And I will know what he will think and what he will do before he does.
In time.
But first, I will need some opportunity to observe.
Bloom may blossom and he may fade.
Let's see what happens.
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Re: Will Bloom do something similar to the Betts trade with Donovan?
It would have to be a very high prospect for me to want to trade both Donovan and Burleson and if that highly rated prospect turn in results like Caglianone then it's a mess.Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 10:50 amI think if this takes place you’ll see him package Burley or someone like that with Donovan to secure a high profiled / valued prospect. I don’t see them leveraging Donny to dump one of the high priced vets. I think that trade should happen in isolation. Too much risk these players can back out at the last minute and F the whole thing up.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 21:07 pm By no means am I comparing Betts and Donovan in terms of trade value but Bloom coupled Betts with David Price who was making $32 million a year with 2 years remaining on his contract and his talent had fallen to far below that number.
Could Donovan be coupled with either Arenado or Gray to try to get the other team to take on a lot of salary? Perhaps in the deal we get a prospect and some international signing money and with the money saved we sign a free agent?
Re: Will Bloom do something similar to the Betts trade with Donovan?
Never about me.2ninr wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 06:35 amThere's only 1 Mel and you aren't it.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 06:30 amYou think I am the same person as Melville?2ninr wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025 06:19 amScotch-Mel is wrong about all of this except Aranado. Noot, Walker, and Matthews have no real trade value. We would be giving them away. Donovan has value. Bernal is not the catching prospect they trade. Melville likes Crooks.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 10:10 amI don't know enough about Bernal but Nootbaar brings nothing in return. Same with Walker. Mathews walked 74 in 99 innings. The only potential bright spot is if Bloom is changing the overbearing front office knows everything attitude and possibly Walker will revert to his rookie year before they sent him down to change/ruin his swing. Nootbaar would be a trade simply to clear a roster spot. Could Mathews learn how to throw strikes? Doubt he will bring much in return until and unless he does.Melville wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 09:07 amThe way to trade N/A is to simply eat money.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 08:38 am100% correct but that's exactly what he did with Betts and he has indicated he is looking to deal Gray and Arenado along with Donovan.Melville wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 22:57 pmThat would diminish the return for Donovan which would defeat the purpose of dealing him to begin with.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 21:07 pm By no means am I comparing Betts and Donovan in terms of trade value but Bloom coupled Betts with David Price who was making $32 million a year with 2 years remaining on his contract and his talent had fallen to far below that number.
Could Donovan be coupled with either Arenado or Gray to try to get the other team to take on a lot of salary? Perhaps in the deal we get a prospect and some international signing money and with the money saved we sign a free agent?
STL traded him once already and can easily do so again.
N/A is owed less now than he was then, and exactly as I predicted N/A realized the blunder he made in refusing to report.
He will gladly leave this time.
As for Gray, the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is to keep him.
There is zero upside to trading him this off-season.
The correct trade pieces are Mootbaar (as I alone have correctly advised for the past 4 seasons), Walker, Mathews, and Bernal - along with a handful of others who could complement assorted trade packages.
Donovan should move to LF and be offered a reasonable 3 year extension - and if he does not sign it, he should be moved in July.
This stuff ain't hard.
We are about to learn if Bloom is smart enough to see it.
Arenado would be to clear roster space. Unless they can hit a home run in a Donovan trade I'd keep him with an infield of Donovan, Winn, Wetherholt and Contreras or Hererra or Burleson at 1B depending on possible trades.
I believe Contreras would bring good return. Gray is still a legit starter although no longer an ace but his contract is probably going to get him traded.
Only and always about the game.