Broberg

[Walter Sobchak00]

If the question is, do I see signs of him being an elite defenseman yes I do.if the question is, is he ever gonna be as good as AP my answer would almost certainly not. I’ve been a homegrown fan of this team for a little over 50 years and I’ve seen us draft one elite defenseman and seen a handful of others come through here and I think Broberg could be at the lower end of those guys.

[fish]

If the question is, do I see signs of him being an elite defenseman yes I do.if the question is, is he ever gonna be as good as AP my answer would almost certainly not. I’ve been a homegrown fan of this team for a little over 50 years and I’ve seen us draft one elite defenseman and seen a handful of others come through here and I think Broberg could be at the lower end of those guys.

Pietrangelo no. It won’t be close to that.

He’s a great skater, but I’m not seeing an elite difference maker at either end of the ice. Just don’t think that’s him. Imagine Broberg being the most expensive player on your team right now.

And that right there is your lack of a grasp of reality. I answered your question about OPINIONS of a player, I used a metric you could relate to and I stated that I didn’t think PB would ever measure up to AP, and yet you still look for an argument.
Funny.
I respect differences of opinions and I respect that you started following the Blues because they drafted a player you thought was cute but if you refuse to have discussions I’m back to being done talking hockey with you

[theograce]

If the question is, do I see signs of him being an elite defenseman yes I do.if the question is, is he ever gonna be as good as AP my answer would almost certainly not. I’ve been a homegrown fan of this team for a little over 50 years and I’ve seen us draft one elite defenseman and seen a handful of others come through here and I think Broberg could be at the lower end of those guys.

Pietrangelo no. It won’t be close to that.

He’s a great skater, but I’m not seeing an elite difference maker at either end of the ice. Just don’t think that’s him. Imagine Broberg being the most expensive player on your team right now.

And that right there is your lack of a grasp of reality. I answered your question about OPINIONS of a player, I used a metric you could relate to and I stated that I didn’t think PB would ever measure up to AP, and yet you still look for an argument.
Funny.
I respect differences of opinions and I respect that you started following the Blues because they drafted a player you thought was cute but if you refuse to have discussions I’m back to being done talking hockey with you

I was agreeing you. Are you ok?

[smilinjoefission]

If the question is, do I see signs of him being an elite defenseman yes I do.if the question is, is he ever gonna be as good as AP my answer would almost certainly not. I’ve been a homegrown fan of this team for a little over 50 years and I’ve seen us draft one elite defenseman and seen a handful of others come through here and I think Broberg could be at the lower end of those guys.

Pietrangelo no. It won’t be close to that.

He’s a great skater, but I’m not seeing an elite difference maker at either end of the ice. Just don’t think that’s him. Imagine Broberg being the most expensive player on your team right now.

The problem is the Blues have so many bad contracts you can't just blindly give out that money because its wasted on 3 other players; Kyrou, Buch, Fowler.

[DawgDad]

If the question is, do I see signs of him being an elite defenseman yes I do.if the question is, is he ever gonna be as good as AP my answer would almost certainly not. I’ve been a homegrown fan of this team for a little over 50 years and I’ve seen us draft one elite defenseman and seen a handful of others come through here and I think Broberg could be at the lower end of those guys.

Pietrangelo no. It won’t be close to that.

He’s a great skater, but I’m not seeing an elite difference maker at either end of the ice. Just don’t think that’s him. Imagine Broberg being the most expensive player on your team right now.

The problem is the Blues have so many bad contracts you can't just blindly give out that money because its wasted on 3 other players; Kyrou, Buch, Fowler.

It's still well within the realm of possibility some or all of these players get it together. Paying Broberg a fair salary is not "blindly" giving it out.

[theograce]

If the question is, do I see signs of him being an elite defenseman yes I do.if the question is, is he ever gonna be as good as AP my answer would almost certainly not. I’ve been a homegrown fan of this team for a little over 50 years and I’ve seen us draft one elite defenseman and seen a handful of others come through here and I think Broberg could be at the lower end of those guys.

Pietrangelo no. It won’t be close to that.

He’s a great skater, but I’m not seeing an elite difference maker at either end of the ice. Just don’t think that’s him. Imagine Broberg being the most expensive player on your team right now.

The problem is the Blues have so many bad contracts you can't just blindly give out that money because its wasted on 3 other players; Kyrou, Buch, Fowler.

It's still well within the realm of possibility some or all of these players get it together. Paying Broberg a fair salary is not "blindly" giving it out.

But what’s fair? He’s likely going to be asking to be the highest paid player on the team for a very long time. Has he shown he’s elite yet? Has he shown he can step up/elevate? I don’t think so

[DawgDad]

If the question is, do I see signs of him being an elite defenseman yes I do.if the question is, is he ever gonna be as good as AP my answer would almost certainly not. I’ve been a homegrown fan of this team for a little over 50 years and I’ve seen us draft one elite defenseman and seen a handful of others come through here and I think Broberg could be at the lower end of those guys.

Pietrangelo no. It won’t be close to that.

He’s a great skater, but I’m not seeing an elite difference maker at either end of the ice. Just don’t think that’s him. Imagine Broberg being the most expensive player on your team right now.

The problem is the Blues have so many bad contracts you can't just blindly give out that money because its wasted on 3 other players; Kyrou, Buch, Fowler.

It's still well within the realm of possibility some or all of these players get it together. Paying Broberg a fair salary is not "blindly" giving it out.

But what’s fair? He’s likely going to be asking to be the highest paid player on the team for a very long time. Has he shown he’s elite yet? Has he shown he can step up/elevate? I don’t think so

This is all speculation, and surely you will enlighten us on what is fair.

[theograce]

If the question is, do I see signs of him being an elite defenseman yes I do.if the question is, is he ever gonna be as good as AP my answer would almost certainly not. I’ve been a homegrown fan of this team for a little over 50 years and I’ve seen us draft one elite defenseman and seen a handful of others come through here and I think Broberg could be at the lower end of those guys.

Pietrangelo no. It won’t be close to that.

He’s a great skater, but I’m not seeing an elite difference maker at either end of the ice. Just don’t think that’s him. Imagine Broberg being the most expensive player on your team right now.

The problem is the Blues have so many bad contracts you can't just blindly give out that money because its wasted on 3 other players; Kyrou, Buch, Fowler.

It's still well within the realm of possibility some or all of these players get it together. Paying Broberg a fair salary is not "blindly" giving it out.

But what’s fair? He’s likely going to be asking to be the highest paid player on the team for a very long time. Has he shown he’s elite yet? Has he shown he can step up/elevate? I don’t think so

This is all speculation, and surely you will enlighten us on what is fair.

But I asked you? He’s coming up on getting paid. What’s your offer.

[DawgDad]

If the question is, do I see signs of him being an elite defenseman yes I do.if the question is, is he ever gonna be as good as AP my answer would almost certainly not. I’ve been a homegrown fan of this team for a little over 50 years and I’ve seen us draft one elite defenseman and seen a handful of others come through here and I think Broberg could be at the lower end of those guys.

Pietrangelo no. It won’t be close to that.

He’s a great skater, but I’m not seeing an elite difference maker at either end of the ice. Just don’t think that’s him. Imagine Broberg being the most expensive player on your team right now.

The problem is the Blues have so many bad contracts you can't just blindly give out that money because its wasted on 3 other players; Kyrou, Buch, Fowler.

It's still well within the realm of possibility some or all of these players get it together. Paying Broberg a fair salary is not "blindly" giving it out.

But what’s fair? He’s likely going to be asking to be the highest paid player on the team for a very long time. Has he shown he’s elite yet? Has he shown he can step up/elevate? I don’t think so

This is all speculation, and surely you will enlighten us on what is fair.

But I asked you? He’s coming up on getting paid. What’s your offer.

Not in my job description. From my perspective Blues have him right where he should be, lined up for top ES minutes and PK. They need to see him play the big defensive role for an extended time, and if Broberg wants to get paid the big bucks he needs to deliver.

Blues also need to get back on track so he wants to stay in St. Louis.

I can envision him having the highest salary on the team for a stretch. Unless he gets banged up he's going to eat minutes and play well. He is yet to disappoint and I don't see any reason he will.

[theograce]

If the question is, do I see signs of him being an elite defenseman yes I do.if the question is, is he ever gonna be as good as AP my answer would almost certainly not. I’ve been a homegrown fan of this team for a little over 50 years and I’ve seen us draft one elite defenseman and seen a handful of others come through here and I think Broberg could be at the lower end of those guys.

Pietrangelo no. It won’t be close to that.

He’s a great skater, but I’m not seeing an elite difference maker at either end of the ice. Just don’t think that’s him. Imagine Broberg being the most expensive player on your team right now.

The problem is the Blues have so many bad contracts you can't just blindly give out that money because its wasted on 3 other players; Kyrou, Buch, Fowler.

It's still well within the realm of possibility some or all of these players get it together. Paying Broberg a fair salary is not "blindly" giving it out.

But what’s fair? He’s likely going to be asking to be the highest paid player on the team for a very long time. Has he shown he’s elite yet? Has he shown he can step up/elevate? I don’t think so

This is all speculation, and surely you will enlighten us on what is fair.

But I asked you? He’s coming up on getting paid. What’s your offer.

Not in my job description.

Limp

[DawgDad]

If the question is, do I see signs of him being an elite defenseman yes I do.if the question is, is he ever gonna be as good as AP my answer would almost certainly not. I’ve been a homegrown fan of this team for a little over 50 years and I’ve seen us draft one elite defenseman and seen a handful of others come through here and I think Broberg could be at the lower end of those guys.

Pietrangelo no. It won’t be close to that.

He’s a great skater, but I’m not seeing an elite difference maker at either end of the ice. Just don’t think that’s him. Imagine Broberg being the most expensive player on your team right now.

The problem is the Blues have so many bad contracts you can't just blindly give out that money because its wasted on 3 other players; Kyrou, Buch, Fowler.

It's still well within the realm of possibility some or all of these players get it together. Paying Broberg a fair salary is not "blindly" giving it out.

But what’s fair? He’s likely going to be asking to be the highest paid player on the team for a very long time. Has he shown he’s elite yet? Has he shown he can step up/elevate? I don’t think so

This is all speculation, and surely you will enlighten us on what is fair.

But I asked you? He’s coming up on getting paid. What’s your offer.

Not in my job description.

Limp

Laughing.

[theograce]

Laughing.

Are you though? You can’t offer any opinions on hockey anymore. Even a simple penalty call. It’s not in your job description after all.

For real … laughing

[TheHighHat]

They were talking about Broberg's next contract on 101 Wednesday. Apparently their agent is hockey's version of Scott Boras. They were saying with the contracts given out to similar players recently, good luck signing him for $9-9.5 x 8.

The 4 d-men that signed big deals recently all get significant PP time.
Broberg does not. That's going to be a negotiating problem for Broberg's agent if he thinks he's getting 8 or more per.

T. Harley at 10.587
J. Lacombe at 9
L. Hughes at 9
L. Hutson at 8.885

Ironically all 4 are off to slow starts in the young season as far as PP production goes.
Not a goal and only 10 assists combined.

The other irony is that Broberg should look at the new contract his eventual replacement in Edmonton received.
The 7 that Walman received is a more realistic comparison.

[DawgDad]

Laughing.

Are you though? You can’t offer any opinions on hockey anymore. Even a simple penalty call. It’s not in your job description after all.

For real … laughing

I offer a LOT of opinions here. You cut the opinion part of my post. But, since you asked: I do not generally CARE what players get paid. Whether Broberg gets 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, or 11 million per in isolation means NOTHING to me. I don't even care how they negotiate, or whether they do.

If I were an Oiler fan I would likely opine they blew the contract management with Broberg and Holloway. As to specifics, not my job to determine. As a Blues fan I see these two being fairly paid because that's part of what it took to land them and it fits in the cap.

I don't know specifically what Broberg's next contract will be or should be. The Blues pay people to manage their interests. I think it should be fair, to both sides. When it materializes I'll have an opinion on the specifics. Right now I will just say I do not believe any existing contracts should be allowed to block paying Broberg a fair salary for whatever term they mutually decide. If that becomes an issue someone should be moved.

[smilinjoefission]

Whatever he's offered RFA it'll be under the $9.3xxx threshold so it'll be a 1st, 2nd, 3rd...if someone goes over it'll be 2 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and at $9.3m for 7or8 years, that's ALOT of $$$ invested. I like Broberg, I don't like him $9.3m for 7 or more years, not yet. He needs a legit all-star calibre season, and so far its not happening.

[theograce]

Whatever he's offered RFA it'll be under the $9.3xxx threshold so it'll be a 1st, 2nd, 3rd...if someone goes over it'll be 2 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and at $9.3m for 7or8 years, that's ALOT of $$$ invested. I like Broberg, I don't like him $9.3m for 7 or more years, not yet. He needs a legit all-star calibre season, and so far its not happening.

If he makes near Hutson I’ll laugh and cry