Why do we assume that trade Candidate suggestions will not be extended?

[Carp4Cy]

Rolen was extended
Goldy was extended
McGwire was extended
Holliday was extended
Carp was extended

The ideal trade target is not gonna come with a seven year contract because that’s going to run into the nine figures. The ideal trade target will probably have two controlled years and need to be extended to continue to benefit us through our intended competitive window.

This is how we have built our team in the past, and this is how it will be rebuilt in addition to the minor league talent that we are developing. If the player is cost controlled and fills an area of need, it’s not too early to start acquiring and talking about extension possibilities. We certainly aren’t going to fill five rotation spots and three outfield spots with unproven prospects.

[greyhawk]

I think it likely will happen again in the future but i don't think it will happen here until after the new labor agreement is resolved.

[NYCardsFan]

Because a player who is 2 years away from reaching free agency for the first time is not going to give up that potentially financially life-changing opportunity unless the proposed extension roughly approximates (in years and dollars) what the player could otherwise get in the free agent market. The longer a team waits, the closer the player gets to freedom (and the lower the risk premium); the closer the player gets to freedom, the closer his reservation price gets to the market price.

And if you are a team that still seems to be in the early stages of a rebuild (and your new POBO pretty clearly indicates as much), signing 29-30 year old players to long term deals at free agent market prices doesn’t match up well with where you are in your competitive cycle.

[Carp4Cy]

Because a player who is 2 years away from reaching free agency for the first time is not going to give up that potentially financially life-changing opportunity unless the proposed extension roughly approximates (in years and dollars) what the player could otherwise get in the free agent market. The longer a team waits, the closer the player gets to freedom (and the lower the risk premium); the closer the player gets to freedom, the closer his reservation price gets to the market price.

And if you are a team that still seems to be in the early stages of a rebuild (and your new POBO pretty clearly indicates as much), signing 29-30 year old players to long term deals at free agent market prices doesn’t match up well with where you are in your competitive cycle.

So this takes 2 more years to turn around and be ready to go full throttle on spending right ? Acquiring a guy who is cost control now who we can extend in two years at near market rate and who we have the inside track on negotiating with (like we did with Goldy, Rolen, Edmonds, etc etc ) so we can actually succeed in keeping them lines up with the timeline.

We aren’t gonna go out and just start over paying massively in two years on players who have no history with us, which is why we need to start the process now.

[Clubmaker2]

I think it likely will happen again in the future but i don't think it will happen here until after the new labor agreement is resolved.

yep, so 2027 excuse, too many buyers .....

[Clubmaker2]

Because a player who is 2 years away from reaching free agency for the first time is not going to give up that potentially financially life-changing opportunity unless the proposed extension roughly approximates (in years and dollars) what the player could otherwise get in the free agent market. The longer a team waits, the closer the player gets to freedom (and the lower the risk premium); the closer the player gets to freedom, the closer his reservation price gets to the market price.

And if you are a team that still seems to be in the early stages of a rebuild (and your new POBO pretty clearly indicates as much), signing 29-30 year old players to long term deals at free agent market prices doesn’t match up well with where you are in your competitive cycle.

So this takes 2 more years to turn around and be ready to go full throttle on spending right ? Acquiring a guy who is cost control now who we can extend in two years at near market rate and who we have the inside track on negotiating with (like we did with Goldy, Rolen, Edmonds, etc etc ) so we can actually succeed in keeping them lines up with the timeline.

We aren’t gonna go out and just start over paying massively in two years on players who have no history with us, which is why we need to start the process now.

yep, what you need is not always available so you cant assume team will just buy everything at the store in 2027

[ecleme22]

Is this whole convo just based around Donovan?

[zoiks]

Dewitt brought back all of the coaches on 1 year deals so he can let the contracts expire after next season and not have to pay coaches during the lockout, and you think he’s going to sign players to extensions before he sees if he gets his coveted salary cap? I have a bridge I’d like to sell you.

[JohnnyMO]

Rolen was extended
Goldy was extended
McGwire was extended
Holliday was extended
Carp was extended

The ideal trade target is not gonna come with a seven year contract because that’s going to run into the nine figures. The ideal trade target will probably have two controlled years and need to be extended to continue to benefit us through our intended competitive window.

This is how we have built our team in the past, and this is how it will be rebuilt in addition to the minor league talent that we are developing. If the player is cost controlled and fills an area of need, it’s not too early to start acquiring and talking about extension possibilities. We certainly aren’t going to fill five rotation spots and three outfield spots with unproven prospects.

All those guys were brought on to contending teams and extended when the team was still contending. You don’t trade for a guy during a rebuild that you hope you can extend. You wait and sign them when they become free agents and you have a better idea where your team is and what direction the player’s career is heading.

[Carp4Cy]

Rolen was extended
Goldy was extended
McGwire was extended
Holliday was extended
Carp was extended

The ideal trade target is not gonna come with a seven year contract because that’s going to run into the nine figures. The ideal trade target will probably have two controlled years and need to be extended to continue to benefit us through our intended competitive window.

This is how we have built our team in the past, and this is how it will be rebuilt in addition to the minor league talent that we are developing. If the player is cost controlled and fills an area of need, it’s not too early to start acquiring and talking about extension possibilities. We certainly aren’t going to fill five rotation spots and three outfield spots with unproven prospects.

All those guys were brought on to contending teams and extended when the team was still contending. You don’t trade for a guy during a rebuild that you hope you can extend. You wait and sign them when they become free agents and you have a better idea where your team is and what direction the player’s career is heading.

This will never be a contending team if we don’t start making some calculated moves for veterans as part of the rebuilding process.

We need the chickens and the eggs. Those eggs aren’t going to lay themselves.

[JohnnyMO]

Rolen was extended
Goldy was extended
McGwire was extended
Holliday was extended
Carp was extended

The ideal trade target is not gonna come with a seven year contract because that’s going to run into the nine figures. The ideal trade target will probably have two controlled years and need to be extended to continue to benefit us through our intended competitive window.

This is how we have built our team in the past, and this is how it will be rebuilt in addition to the minor league talent that we are developing. If the player is cost controlled and fills an area of need, it’s not too early to start acquiring and talking about extension possibilities. We certainly aren’t going to fill five rotation spots and three outfield spots with unproven prospects.

All those guys were brought on to contending teams and extended when the team was still contending. You don’t trade for a guy during a rebuild that you hope you can extend. You wait and sign them when they become free agents and you have a better idea where your team is and what direction the player’s career is heading.

This will never be a contending team if we don’t start making some calculated moves for veterans as part of the rebuilding process.

We need the chickens and the eggs. Those eggs aren’t going to lay themselves.

What are Contreras and Gray?

[NYCardsFan]

Rolen was extended
Goldy was extended
McGwire was extended
Holliday was extended
Carp was extended

The ideal trade target is not gonna come with a seven year contract because that’s going to run into the nine figures. The ideal trade target will probably have two controlled years and need to be extended to continue to benefit us through our intended competitive window.

This is how we have built our team in the past, and this is how it will be rebuilt in addition to the minor league talent that we are developing. If the player is cost controlled and fills an area of need, it’s not too early to start acquiring and talking about extension possibilities. We certainly aren’t going to fill five rotation spots and three outfield spots with unproven prospects.

All those guys were brought on to contending teams and extended when the team was still contending. You don’t trade for a guy during a rebuild that you hope you can extend. You wait and sign them when they become free agents and you have a better idea where your team is and what direction the player’s career is heading.

This will never be a contending team if we don’t start making some calculated moves for veterans as part of the rebuilding process.

We need the chickens and the eggs. Those eggs aren’t going to lay themselves.

What are Contreras and Gray?

Yep, and additionally each of them cost the Cardinals a 2nd round draft pick and associated pool money.

[Carp4Cy]

Rolen was extended
Goldy was extended
McGwire was extended
Holliday was extended
Carp was extended

The ideal trade target is not gonna come with a seven year contract because that’s going to run into the nine figures. The ideal trade target will probably have two controlled years and need to be extended to continue to benefit us through our intended competitive window.

This is how we have built our team in the past, and this is how it will be rebuilt in addition to the minor league talent that we are developing. If the player is cost controlled and fills an area of need, it’s not too early to start acquiring and talking about extension possibilities. We certainly aren’t going to fill five rotation spots and three outfield spots with unproven prospects.

All those guys were brought on to contending teams and extended when the team was still contending. You don’t trade for a guy during a rebuild that you hope you can extend. You wait and sign them when they become free agents and you have a better idea where your team is and what direction the player’s career is heading.

This will never be a contending team if we don’t start making some calculated moves for veterans as part of the rebuilding process.

We need the chickens and the eggs. Those eggs aren’t going to lay themselves.

What are Contreras and Gray?

Keepers. For now. And only about 15% of the veterans the Dodgers employ. We need to add to them.

[JohnnyMO]

Rolen was extended
Goldy was extended
McGwire was extended
Holliday was extended
Carp was extended

The ideal trade target is not gonna come with a seven year contract because that’s going to run into the nine figures. The ideal trade target will probably have two controlled years and need to be extended to continue to benefit us through our intended competitive window.

This is how we have built our team in the past, and this is how it will be rebuilt in addition to the minor league talent that we are developing. If the player is cost controlled and fills an area of need, it’s not too early to start acquiring and talking about extension possibilities. We certainly aren’t going to fill five rotation spots and three outfield spots with unproven prospects.

All those guys were brought on to contending teams and extended when the team was still contending. You don’t trade for a guy during a rebuild that you hope you can extend. You wait and sign them when they become free agents and you have a better idea where your team is and what direction the player’s career is heading.

This will never be a contending team if we don’t start making some calculated moves for veterans as part of the rebuilding process.

We need the chickens and the eggs. Those eggs aren’t going to lay themselves.

What are Contreras and Gray?

Keepers. For now. And only about 15% of the veterans the Dodgers employ. We need to add to them.

The dodgers aren’t rebuilding. Rebuilds focus on youth with just enough vets to mentor them. Then the vets are added to put a team over the top once you’re close without them.

[NYCardsFan]

Rolen was extended
Goldy was extended
McGwire was extended
Holliday was extended
Carp was extended

The ideal trade target is not gonna come with a seven year contract because that’s going to run into the nine figures. The ideal trade target will probably have two controlled years and need to be extended to continue to benefit us through our intended competitive window.

This is how we have built our team in the past, and this is how it will be rebuilt in addition to the minor league talent that we are developing. If the player is cost controlled and fills an area of need, it’s not too early to start acquiring and talking about extension possibilities. We certainly aren’t going to fill five rotation spots and three outfield spots with unproven prospects.

All those guys were brought on to contending teams and extended when the team was still contending. You don’t trade for a guy during a rebuild that you hope you can extend. You wait and sign them when they become free agents and you have a better idea where your team is and what direction the player’s career is heading.

This will never be a contending team if we don’t start making some calculated moves for veterans as part of the rebuilding process.

We need the chickens and the eggs. Those eggs aren’t going to lay themselves.

What are Contreras and Gray?

Keepers. For now. And only about 15% of the veterans the Dodgers employ. We need to add to them.

To paraphrase a line from Moneyball: If you try to play like the Dodgers in here (I.e, front office, roster management, player valuation, contracts, free agency, etc.), you will lose to the Dodgers out there (on the field).

[Cranny]

Because a player who is 2 years away from reaching free agency for the first time is not going to give up that potentially financially life-changing opportunity unless the proposed extension roughly approximates (in years and dollars) what the player could otherwise get in the free agent market. The longer a team waits, the closer the player gets to freedom (and the lower the risk premium); the closer the player gets to freedom, the closer his reservation price gets to the market price.

And if you are a team that still seems to be in the early stages of a rebuild (and your new POBO pretty clearly indicates as much), signing 29-30 year old players to long term deals at free agent market prices doesn’t match up well with where you are in your competitive cycle.

The fallacy in your first paragraph - sometimes players like to lock in as many years as possible as early as possible due to the risk of injury and/or a drop in production. Sometimes they accept a discounted overall amount for that security.