Why is DeWitt so cash-strapped?

[Goldfan]

Two things can be true at the same time.

Baseball's economics need a serious overhaul, including a salary cap/floor and increased revenue sharing.
Bill DeWitt can and should spend a higher percentage of baseball revenues on payroll.

1.) For sure.
2.) Sure, as long as the company has break even or positive cash flow.

You are not a fan; you are a company man only looking at profits. It may be time for you to find another (hobby) sport to follow.

I've been a fan as long as you have. But I'm also the owner of a company and have consulted owners of privately held companies in both the U.S. and Europe for over 45 years. I'm not sure you have that kind of background. But one thing I would point out to you - there may be a cash call provision in the St. Louis Cardinals LLC operating agreement. That could make a big difference in how/why the LLC stays at or above the break even or above cash flow line.

Like I said, you are a company man and not a fan.

And you obviously have never been a business owner.

s.You are a company man only looking at profit You need to find a business forum and not Cards talk.

Unless you understand what’s happened with cable contracts, the dumbing down of the game, and possible cash calls, you may be a fan, but you’re a naive fan.

We do understand what happened to the cable contract. It’s doubled since 2006(when stadium financing was finalized) and has declined by 17mil from the original current TV contract signed in ‘18(down from 75mil). So again your positions repeated MANY times already is that BDW having issues with paying his debt service from a deal in ‘06 because a local TV contract declined from 75mil annually to 58mil. So 17mil is the reason why he reduced payroll 75mil, can’t pay 20yr old stadium financing, and won’t spend on top talent to refill his stadium which would push his revenue back to where it was…….$17mil completely destroyed the St. Cardinals. MAKES NO SENSE…..AND YOU KNOW IT

Simple question. If revenue declines below cost, what do you do as a business man?

It’s not because of 17mil….its because he’s missing 1mil butts at Busch. Put some talent back on the field and WIN and his Revenue will return. And if he has to be in the RED a couple seasons to do it…..so be it

[Cranny]

Two things can be true at the same time.

Baseball's economics need a serious overhaul, including a salary cap/floor and increased revenue sharing.
Bill DeWitt can and should spend a higher percentage of baseball revenues on payroll.

1.) For sure.
2.) Sure, as long as the company has break even or positive cash flow.

You are not a fan; you are a company man only looking at profits. It may be time for you to find another (hobby) sport to follow.

I've been a fan as long as you have. But I'm also the owner of a company and have consulted owners of privately held companies in both the U.S. and Europe for over 45 years. I'm not sure you have that kind of background. But one thing I would point out to you - there may be a cash call provision in the St. Louis Cardinals LLC operating agreement. That could make a big difference in how/why the LLC stays at or above the break even or above cash flow line.

Like I said, you are a company man and not a fan.

And you obviously have never been a business owner.

s.You are a company man only looking at profit You need to find a business forum and not Cards talk.

Unless you understand what’s happened with cable contracts, the dumbing down of the game, and possible cash calls, you may be a fan, but you’re a naive fan.

We do understand what happened to the cable contract. It’s doubled since 2006(when stadium financing was finalized) and has declined by 17mil from the original current TV contract signed in ‘18(down from 75mil). So again your positions repeated MANY times already is that BDW having issues with paying his debt service from a deal in ‘06 because a local TV contract declined from 75mil annually to 58mil. So 17mil is the reason why he reduced payroll 75mil, can’t pay 20yr old stadium financing, and won’t spend on top talent to refill his stadium which would push his revenue back to where it was…….$17mil completely destroyed the St. Cardinals. MAKES NO SENSE…..AND YOU KNOW IT

Simple question. If revenue declines below cost, what do you do as a business man?

It’s not because of 17mil….its because he’s missing 1mil butts at Busch. Put some talent back on the field and WIN and his Revenue will return. And if he has to be in the RED a couple seasons to do it…..so be it

If he’s in the red several seasons, is there a cash call for all owners?

[Goldfan]

2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil

2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil

[Cranny]

2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil

2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil

Revenues go down, costs have to go down. Unless you want to ask all the members of your LLC to kick in.

[Goldfan]

2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil

2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil

Avg ticket price 2006
$40

2025
$85

[Goldfan]

2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil

2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil

Avg ticket price 2006
$40

2025
$85

2006 Cards Payroll
96mil

2025
132mil

There are the basic facts. Anyone with half a brain can see the doubling in all main revenues streams since 2006, with payroll last season at about a 45% increase while next season being lower……so if you believe a 17mil reduction from 75 to 58 is the lone cause for all of Cranny’s postings concerning BDW insolvency……..

[WLTFE]

2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil

2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil

Avg ticket price 2006
$40

2025
$85

2006 Cards Payroll
96mil

2025
132mil

There are the basic facts. Anyone with half a brain can see the doubling in all main revenues streams since 2006, with payroll last season at about a 45% increase while next season being lower……so if you believe a 17mil reduction from 75 to 58 is the lone cause for all of Cranny’s postings concerning BDW insolvency……..

I appreciate your efforts but front office (donkey) kissers are relentless in their need to support DeTwit regardless of facts...they're very sad and pathetic.

[Goldfan]

2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil

2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil

Avg ticket price 2006
$40

2025
$85

2006 Cards Payroll
96mil

2025
132mil

There are the basic facts. Anyone with half a brain can see the doubling in all main revenues streams since 2006, with payroll last season at about a 45% increase while next season being lower……so if you believe a 17mil reduction from 75 to 58 is the lone cause for all of Cranny’s postings concerning BDW insolvency……..

I appreciate your efforts but front office (donkey) kissers are relentless in their need to support DeTwit regardless of facts...they're very sad and pathetic.

The National Contract has tripled, local TV has doubled, Ticket/concessions have more than doubled since stadium financing originated….and Cranny wants all to believe that BDW can’t make his debt service payments….while payroll inline with the % increase in all main revenues streams
A 96mil payroll in 2006 should have no problem being a 180mil payroll in 2025.

[OldRed]

2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil

2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil

Avg ticket price 2006
$40

2025
$85

2006 Cards Payroll
96mil

2025
132mil

There are the basic facts. Anyone with half a brain can see the doubling in all main revenues streams since 2006, with payroll last season at about a 45% increase while next season being lower……so if you believe a 17mil reduction from 75 to 58 is the lone cause for all of Cranny’s postings concerning BDW insolvency……..

I appreciate your efforts but front office (donkey) kissers are relentless in their need to support DeTwit regardless of facts...they're very sad and pathetic.

The National Contract has tripled, local TV has doubled, Ticket/concessions have more than doubled since stadium financing originated….and Cranny wants all to believe that BDW can’t make his debt service payments….while payroll inline with the % increase in all main revenues streams
A 96mil payroll in 2006 should have no problem being a 180mil payroll in 2025.

But, but, but neither of you are businessmen nor ever owned a business.

[desertrat23]

2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil

2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil

Revenues go down, costs have to go down. Unless you want to ask all the members of your LLC to kick in.

Can you imagine that partner’s meeting? Where revenues decline due to mismanagement and the majority owner responsible for the mismanagement goes and asks the minority partners for more cash? Oh, to be a fly on the wall.

[WLTFE]

2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil

2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil

Avg ticket price 2006
$40

2025
$85

2006 Cards Payroll
96mil

2025
132mil

There are the basic facts. Anyone with half a brain can see the doubling in all main revenues streams since 2006, with payroll last season at about a 45% increase while next season being lower……so if you believe a 17mil reduction from 75 to 58 is the lone cause for all of Cranny’s postings concerning BDW insolvency……..

I appreciate your efforts but front office (donkey) kissers are relentless in their need to support DeTwit regardless of facts...they're very sad and pathetic.

The National Contract has tripled, local TV has doubled, Ticket/concessions have more than doubled since stadium financing originated….and Cranny wants all to believe that BDW can’t make his debt service payments….while payroll inline with the % increase in all main revenues streams
A 96mil payroll in 2006 should have no problem being a 180mil payroll in 2025.

But, but, but neither of you are businessmen nor ever owned a business.

but all I have to do on an anonymous forum is claim that I'm a successful businessman or brag about my athletic accomplishments...there's no proof and I can be anyone I choose to make up...very sad and pathetic.

[riff raff]

Simp alert

[OldRed]

2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil

2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil

Avg ticket price 2006
$40

2025
$85

2006 Cards Payroll
96mil

2025
132mil

There are the basic facts. Anyone with half a brain can see the doubling in all main revenues streams since 2006, with payroll last season at about a 45% increase while next season being lower……so if you believe a 17mil reduction from 75 to 58 is the lone cause for all of Cranny’s postings concerning BDW insolvency……..

I appreciate your efforts but front office (donkey) kissers are relentless in their need to support DeTwit regardless of facts...they're very sad and pathetic.

The National Contract has tripled, local TV has doubled, Ticket/concessions have more than doubled since stadium financing originated….and Cranny wants all to believe that BDW can’t make his debt service payments….while payroll inline with the % increase in all main revenues streams
A 96mil payroll in 2006 should have no problem being a 180mil payroll in 2025.

But, but, but neither of you are businessmen nor ever owned a business.

but all I have to do on an anonymous forum is claim that I'm a successful businessman or brag about my athletic accomplishments...there's no proof and I can be anyone I choose to make up...very sad and pathetic.

I wonder why a successful businessman is still working into their 80's?

[Cranny]

2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil

2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil

Avg ticket price 2006
$40

2025
$85

2006 Cards Payroll
96mil

2025
132mil

There are the basic facts. Anyone with half a brain can see the doubling in all main revenues streams since 2006, with payroll last season at about a 45% increase while next season being lower……so if you believe a 17mil reduction from 75 to 58 is the lone cause for all of Cranny’s postings concerning BDW insolvency……..

I appreciate your efforts but front office (donkey) kissers are relentless in their need to support DeTwit regardless of facts...they're very sad and pathetic.

The National Contract has tripled, local TV has doubled, Ticket/concessions have more than doubled since stadium financing originated….and Cranny wants all to believe that BDW can’t make his debt service payments….while payroll inline with the % increase in all main revenues streams
A 96mil payroll in 2006 should have no problem being a 180mil payroll in 2025.

But, but, but neither of you are businessmen nor ever owned a business.

but all I have to do on an anonymous forum is claim that I'm a successful businessman or brag about my athletic accomplishments...there's no proof and I can be anyone I choose to make up...very sad and pathetic.

I wonder why a successful businessman is still working into their 80's?

Some probably enjoy the business relationships they’ve made over many years, and want to keep those relationships going. Some have owned their own company and not worked for others. A totally different dynamic. Some simply enjoy what they do and want to keep it going. I have 3 doctor friends who are in their 80s and go to work every day.

[Shady]

2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil

2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil

Avg ticket price 2006
$40

2025
$85

2006 Cards Payroll
96mil

2025
132mil

There are the basic facts. Anyone with half a brain can see the doubling in all main revenues streams since 2006, with payroll last season at about a 45% increase while next season being lower……so if you believe a 17mil reduction from 75 to 58 is the lone cause for all of Cranny’s postings concerning BDW insolvency……..

I appreciate your efforts but front office (donkey) kissers are relentless in their need to support DeTwit regardless of facts...they're very sad and pathetic.

The National Contract has tripled, local TV has doubled, Ticket/concessions have more than doubled since stadium financing originated….and Cranny wants all to believe that BDW can’t make his debt service payments….while payroll inline with the % increase in all main revenues streams
A 96mil payroll in 2006 should have no problem being a 180mil payroll in 2025.

But, but, but neither of you are businessmen nor ever owned a business.

but all I have to do on an anonymous forum is claim that I'm a successful businessman or brag about my athletic accomplishments...there's no proof and I can be anyone I choose to make up...very sad and pathetic.

Just like anybody can be a pathetic, trouble-making, anonymous jerk on a message board like this.

[WLTFE]

2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil

2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil

Avg ticket price 2006
$40

2025
$85

2006 Cards Payroll
96mil

2025
132mil

There are the basic facts. Anyone with half a brain can see the doubling in all main revenues streams since 2006, with payroll last season at about a 45% increase while next season being lower……so if you believe a 17mil reduction from 75 to 58 is the lone cause for all of Cranny’s postings concerning BDW insolvency……..

I appreciate your efforts but front office (donkey) kissers are relentless in their need to support DeTwit regardless of facts...they're very sad and pathetic.

The National Contract has tripled, local TV has doubled, Ticket/concessions have more than doubled since stadium financing originated….and Cranny wants all to believe that BDW can’t make his debt service payments….while payroll inline with the % increase in all main revenues streams
A 96mil payroll in 2006 should have no problem being a 180mil payroll in 2025.

But, but, but neither of you are businessmen nor ever owned a business.

but all I have to do on an anonymous forum is claim that I'm a successful businessman or brag about my athletic accomplishments...there's no proof and I can be anyone I choose to make up...very sad and pathetic.

Just like anybody can be a pathetic, trouble-making, anonymous jerk on a message board like this.

Good to see you're achieving some self awareness sweetie!