Last 6 WS champs have spent a bunch on payroll… we can stop the narrative that you don’t have to spend

[Web7]

Bill either needs to start spendingor sell the team

[Stlcardsblues]

Bill either needs to start spendingor sell the team

You will still see people point to fluke runs years ago when the game was different. The truth is the game has a serious competitive balance issue and more than half the teams can’t just drastically increase spending to fix it. They don’t have the revenues to justify it.

[ramfandan]

Bill either needs to start spendingor sell the team

You will still see people point to fluke runs years ago when the game was different. The truth is the game has a serious competitive balance issue and more than half the teams can’t just drastically increase spending to fix it. They don’t have the revenues to justify it.

Thank you for typing .. that some teams 'don't have the revenues ' to spend like others.
The LAD have a deal with Spectrum TV that calls for $334 M in payments to the Dodgers annually.
The Cardinals TV deal generated $58-$60M in 2025 from FanDuel . Note: Previously DeWitt was getting $75Mfrom Bally Sports deal and they filed for bankruptcy. So a renegotiated deal with the current FanDuel resulted in the 23% decrease in TV revenues.
So there is a HUGE difference in monies the LAD get compared to DeWitt's Cardinals.
Each MLB team has individual TV deals based on their TV size markets for the 162 games.
Those who try to compare the NFL with MLB really don't understand the difference. The NFL plays one game per week for 17 weeks and have a national TV deal with Fox, ESPN , NBC . That TV deal is spread equally among all the teams. The small TV market Green Bay received same TV monies as LA and New York . Big difference in how the two sports receive TV dollars.

[cardstatman]

I"m pretty sure the Cards TV money dropped from $66M (old deal) to $51M (new deal) in 2025.

That just makes your case stronger.

The $58M+ is the average of the 2025-2032 new deal. It gets higher each year. Starts at ~$51M and rises to ~$67M by 2032.
The $76M was the average of the remaining years of the old deal. Started at $65.8M in 2025 and was going to rise to $86.6M in 2032.

[cardinalsfever44]

Yes, you have to spend to win. Problem is, when you are not a big market team, you have ZERO chance to win a bidding war for any top free agent. It's just not going to happen. Big market teams will always be able to outbid.

I love that the best game on tv today is KC vs. Buffalo in football. This would NEVER happen in today's MLB, and that is the problem.

How long can baseball survive when 60-70% of the league has no chance to win a championship and those teams have to play by completely different team building rules in order to even be able to be competitive?

[ramfandan]

I"m pretty sure the Cards TV money dropped from $66M (old deal) to $51M (new deal) in 2025.

That just makes your case stronger.

The $58M+ is the average of the 2025-2032 new deal. It gets higher each year. Starts at ~$51M and rises to ~$67M by 2032.
The $76M was the average of the remaining years of the old deal. Started at $65.8M in 2025 and was going to rise to $86.6M in 2032.

Thanks Cardstatman with the revised numbers. Yes , that makes the gap even wider. The Dodgers generate $334 M and DeWitt is getting $58M .
Cmon, you don't have to be a graduate of the Wharton School of Business to figure out which team has a HUGE $$$ advantage in spending .
That's the inbalance many discuss ad nauseum. Some just refuse to accept the reality .

[Hoosier59]

There are a lot of issues that need to be resolved, but equaling out the TV revenue is where it needs to start.
MLB keeps talking about expansion. Under these rules and conditions expanding to more teams would just make it worse. Especially for those existing teams who would lose some fans to these new teams. Nashville, and The Carolina’s area are often mentioned as potential cities. If that happens multiple teams will be affected.
A sport wide TV deal is really a must!

[ICCFIM2]

I"m pretty sure the Cards TV money dropped from $66M (old deal) to $51M (new deal) in 2025.

That just makes your case stronger.

The $58M+ is the average of the 2025-2032 new deal. It gets higher each year. Starts at ~$51M and rises to ~$67M by 2032.
The $76M was the average of the remaining years of the old deal. Started at $65.8M in 2025 and was going to rise to $86.6M in 2032.

Thanks Cardstatman with the revised numbers. Yes , that makes the gap even wider. The Dodgers generate $334 M and DeWitt is getting $58M .
Cmon, you don't have to be a graduate of the Wharton School of Business to figure out which team has a HUGE $$$ advantage in spending .
That's the inbalance many discuss ad nauseum. Some just refuse to accept the reality .

I think everyone on this board accepts this reality. MLB itself is not accepting the reality that over the long run this is bad. Unfortunately, after having a WS that was one of the best ever with so many great players, baseball will probably think that it is actually the best thing that ever happened to the game. But, if many of its storied franchises, Cardinals, Pirates, Braves, Giants, Orioles and Guardians become irrelevant for a decade, that just can't be good for baseball.

Looking at COTS salaries, the Dodgers have 8 players with deferred money. The difference between the Labor Relations Payroll and Competitive Balance Payroll is confusing at best. Everyone had been advertising that the Dodger payroll was only $350M. The Competitive Balance Payroll which seems to smooth out deferred money on a more financially accurate basis has their payroll at $403.6M. Add on the competitive balance tax of $154.3M and their total payroll is $557.9M. The Cardinals to have a chance, need to be more creative with deferred money and they need to move the payroll closer to $225M. Even doing that, it is unlikely.

[CCard]

Bill either needs to start spendingor sell the team

You will still see people point to fluke runs years ago when the game was different. The truth is the game has a serious competitive balance issue and more than half the teams can’t just drastically increase spending to fix it. They don’t have the revenues to justify it.

Thank you for typing .. that some teams 'don't have the revenues ' to spend like others.
The LAD have a deal with Spectrum TV that calls for $334 M in payments to the Dodgers annually.
The Cardinals TV deal generated $58-$60M in 2025 from FanDuel . Note: Previously DeWitt was getting $75Mfrom Bally Sports deal and they filed for bankruptcy. So a renegotiated deal with the current FanDuel resulted in the 23% decrease in TV revenues.
So there is a HUGE difference in monies the LAD get compared to DeWitt's Cardinals.
Each MLB team has individual TV deals based on their TV size markets for the 162 games.
Those who try to compare the NFL with MLB really don't understand the difference. The NFL plays one game per week for 17 weeks and have a national TV deal with Fox, ESPN , NBC . That TV deal is spread equally among all the teams. The small TV market Green Bay received same TV monies as LA and New York . Big difference in how the two sports receive TV dollars.

Again, absolutely no one that's sane is saying they have to spend Dodger level money. But cutting payroll and not spending around 200 million is ridiculous at it's core. This team banked 3 million fans a year for decades and now they cry poor? Give me a break.

[Stlcardsblues]

Bill either needs to start spendingor sell the team

You will still see people point to fluke runs years ago when the game was different. The truth is the game has a serious competitive balance issue and more than half the teams can’t just drastically increase spending to fix it. They don’t have the revenues to justify it.

Thank you for typing .. that some teams 'don't have the revenues ' to spend like others.
The LAD have a deal with Spectrum TV that calls for $334 M in payments to the Dodgers annually.
The Cardinals TV deal generated $58-$60M in 2025 from FanDuel . Note: Previously DeWitt was getting $75Mfrom Bally Sports deal and they filed for bankruptcy. So a renegotiated deal with the current FanDuel resulted in the 23% decrease in TV revenues.
So there is a HUGE difference in monies the LAD get compared to DeWitt's Cardinals.
Each MLB team has individual TV deals based on their TV size markets for the 162 games.
Those who try to compare the NFL with MLB really don't understand the difference. The NFL plays one game per week for 17 weeks and have a national TV deal with Fox, ESPN , NBC . That TV deal is spread equally among all the teams. The small TV market Green Bay received same TV monies as LA and New York . Big difference in how the two sports receive TV dollars.

I used to be dead against a salary cap. My view has changed and this sport needs a cap and more importantly an extremely aggressive floor to force out bad owners.

[mattmitchl44]

They will have to spend - but they have to spend smartly and at a time for maximum effect if they want to compete with teams like the Dodgers.

Develop your core of young, cost controlled players first, then know who you need to spend money to acquire.

[BrummerStealsHome]

Braves 14th
Astros 9th
Rangers 9th

Yes, you have to spend money, but you don't have to be the Mets or Dodgers

[CorneliusWolfe]

Bill either needs to start spendingor sell the team

You will still see people point to fluke runs years ago when the game was different. The truth is the game has a serious competitive balance issue and more than half the teams can’t just drastically increase spending to fix it. They don’t have the revenues to justify it.

Can they outspend the Dodgers? No. Can they use the hundreds of millions they receive in revenue sharing intended to create competitive balance and field a better team instead of pocketing it? Absolutely. None of these guys are poor. Every team could have a $200 million+ payroll even without great fan support and still turn an immense profit. The Dodgers and Yankees, who everyone hates, are required to pay those cheap owners for the privilege of whipping their (bleep).

[Web7]

Braves 14th
Astros 9th
Rangers 9th

Yes, you have to spend money, but you don't have to be the Mets or Dodgers

You left out the other 3 … all Dodgers

[Bushiro]

The Dodgers also draft and develop very well....that with what they spend is scary....they always have the pieces to trade for a big time player and the money to lock him up if they wish

[Goldfan]

Braves 14th
Astros 9th
Rangers 9th

Yes, you have to spend money, but you don't have to be the Mets or Dodgers

Your not suppose to notice those!!!!