Marmol's 2026 leash

[Dicktar2023]

You guys need to understand how a rebuild works.

By keeping the same damaged/ineffective parts?

Apparently, yes. It may look like (bleep) and smell like (bleep), but if Saint Bloom blesses it, it's pumpkin pie.

[Ozziesfan41]

You guys need to understand how a rebuild works.

By keeping the same damaged/ineffective parts?

Apparently, yes. It may look like (bleep) and smell like (bleep), but if Saint Bloom blesses it, it's pumpkin pie.

lol no kidding some posters think bloom is going to cast spells with magic wand and players that suck like walker and Gorman are suddenly become good it’s hilarious what the bloom sauce can do

[20th Century Boy]

He's unaccounted for. He has no leash.

[Dicktar2023]

You guys need to understand how a rebuild works.

By keeping the same damaged/ineffective parts?

Apparently, yes. It may look like (bleep) and smell like (bleep), but if Saint Bloom blesses it, it's pumpkin pie.

lol no kidding some posters think bloom is going to cast spells with magic wand and players that suck like walker and Gorman are suddenly become good it’s hilarious what the bloom sauce can do

"Some posters" includes Bernie Mikolaz, Randy Karraker, Goold etc.

[Melville]

DeWitt told Super Slo Mo exactly how many dollars he would be willing to eat in order to move N/A.
And when he refused to go one penny higher as other team began to contact the Cardinals, N/A remained.
The same thing is true of The Marmot.
DeWitt ordered Bloom to keep The Marmot solely because he is under contract for 2026.
And DeWitt knows how much of that he is willing to eat if the team underperforms early yet again.
That, and ballpark revenue trends, will determine if and when The Marmot is fired.
The won-loss record will be of zero consideration.

[WeeVikes]

DeWitt told Super Slo Mo exactly how many dollars he would be willing to eat in order to move N/A.
And when he refused to go one penny higher as other team began to contact the Cardinals, N/A remained.
The same thing is true of The Marmot.
DeWitt ordered Bloom to keep The Marmot solely because he is under contract for 2026.
And DeWitt knows how much of that he is willing to eat if the team underperforms early yet again.
That, and ballpark revenue trends, will determine if and when The Marmot is fired.
The won-loss record will be of zero consideration.

While I think win-loss record may have some consideration (a little), in general I concur with this. It’s a business.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

By keeping the same damaged/ineffective parts?

If they have any thought that Oli might be the manager in the years to come, they’re not going to fire him in the middle of a rebuild year, unless he loses the team. And not sure you want to bring in a brand new manager and saddle them with a team that’s not going to be good in his first year. When they lose fans are going to want him gone too.

But I always bring it back to this. If DeWitt is a cheap owner who let the minors go to [shirt] and keeps an inept POBO who makes all the wrong moves and hires terrible staff, how are you going to put so much effort into getting rid of Oli? He can only work with what he’s got, right?

[JuanAgosto]

By keeping the same damaged/ineffective parts?

If they have any thought that Oli might be the manager in the years to come, they’re not going to fire him in the middle of a rebuild year, unless he loses the team. And not sure you want to bring in a brand new manager and saddle them with a team that’s not going to be good in his first year. When they lose fans are going to want him gone too.

But I always bring it back to this. If DeWitt is a cheap owner who let the minors go to [shirt] and keeps an inept POBO who makes all the wrong moves and hires terrible staff, how are you going to put so much effort into getting rid of Oli? He can only work with what he’s got, right?

Unless Oli does something to embarrass the organization or there is a full mutiny by the players, I think he's safe.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

Unless Oli does something to embarrass the organization or there is a full mutiny by the players, I think he's safe.

Same here.

My point earlier is that if someone is going to constantly worry about performance next year, I think they need to understand what a rebuild year is. Performance matters, obviously, because they ended to make some choices for the future, but if they expect them to fire Oli because they are out of the playoffs by the trade deadline, they are missing the point.

Now that doesn’t mean that fans should be happy with 5 years of rebuilding and DeWitt permanently lowering payroll, but that’s not what next year is. I do get the skepticism that it’s an excuse just to go cheap in the future, but again, that’s a different argument. And I do think that you can expect the rebuild not to last long. I think that 2027 might be the year to start worrying about records and spending money. Maybe 2028 is more likely, but I think we’ll have a better idea next year how long this rebuild is going to be. If some of the younger players look promising next year, then I do want to see them going for it in 2027 and the spending excuses go out the window.

[Banner29]

By keeping the same damaged/ineffective parts?

If they have any thought that Oli might be the manager in the years to come, they’re not going to fire him in the middle of a rebuild year, unless he loses the team. And not sure you want to bring in a brand new manager and saddle them with a team that’s not going to be good in his first year. When they lose fans are going to want him gone too.

But I always bring it back to this. If DeWitt is a cheap owner who let the minors go to [shirt] and keeps an inept POBO who makes all the wrong moves and hires terrible staff, how are you going to put so much effort into getting rid of Oli? He can only work with what he’s got, right?

They are going to lose anyway. Why keep the same manager this is nothing more than a reminder of an Era the fanbase was SEVERELY annoyed with rather than bring in someone that can reignite some fresh energy and also knows what he’s doing. You will get some people that won’t be able to comprehend the losing one way or another but much of this fanbase will be far more understanding to that

Oli has done nothing that has lead anyone to believe “yeah this guys a stud.” He’s just a guy that was one of Mos puppets that can’t do his job if he forgot to charge his iPad. I grant you Mo and Dewitt didn’t make it easy for him. But I mean come on, he hasn’t shown a (bleep) thing. The players may like him and that’s great. But we all have worked with a likeable human being that’s absolutely useless at their job.

[Dicktar2023]

By keeping the same damaged/ineffective parts?

If they have any thought that Oli might be the manager in the years to come, they’re not going to fire him in the middle of a rebuild year, unless he loses the team. And not sure you want to bring in a brand new manager and saddle them with a team that’s not going to be good in his first year. When they lose fans are going to want him gone too.

But I always bring it back to this. If DeWitt is a cheap owner who let the minors go to [shirt] and keeps an inept POBO who makes all the wrong moves and hires terrible staff, how are you going to put so much effort into getting rid of Oli? He can only work with what he’s got, right?

I totally disagree. If the priority is changing the direction of this team, Marmol and the rest of the Mo coaching regime should go asap. Why not bring a new coach in during a rebuild year, when there is less pressure to win now? He can start setting the new tone immediately.

But that's not the priority. The priority is preserving Mo's legacy from the mean fans who don't appreciate that BDW is a great owner and that everything is fine. I mean...we won 83 games in 2024!

[earp]

How much does oily get paid?
How much would Cards have to pay a real MLB manager?
he will be here this, next, and the next year$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[JuanAgosto]

Unless Oli does something to embarrass the organization or there is a full mutiny by the players, I think he's safe.

Same here.

My point earlier is that if someone is going to constantly worry about performance next year, I think they need to understand what a rebuild year is. Performance matters, obviously, because they ended to make some choices for the future, but if they expect them to fire Oli because they are out of the playoffs by the trade deadline, they are missing the point.

Now that doesn’t mean that fans should be happy with 5 years of rebuilding and DeWitt permanently lowering payroll, but that’s not what next year is. I do get the skepticism that it’s an excuse just to go cheap in the future, but again, that’s a different argument. And I do think that you can expect the rebuild not to last long. I think that 2027 might be the year to start worrying about records and spending money. Maybe 2028 is more likely, but I think we’ll have a better idea next year how long this rebuild is going to be. If some of the younger players look promising next year, then I do want to see them going for it in 2027 and the spending excuses go out the window.

I think some of the frustration was 2025 was branded "re-set", "runway", and everything but "rebuild ". And little came out of it than the trading of 3 relievers.

What could be telling about the 2027 plans is if Marmol receives an extension. If it is a one or two year extension, the rebuild may be through 2028.

[AtillaTheBlue1]

the dewitts dont want to pay a manager while mlb is on strike/locked out

he will be here as long as they want, and then his contract will not be renewed, and there wont be a manager, till cba is signed.

[Cardinals4Life]

Sept 28

Sept. 28th , the day after the final game in Milwaukee. One thing is that Oli would not be 'fired' . His contract will have expired and the story would be Marmol not being renewed by Cardinals
A few vet managers have taken roles as an advisor for the team but the thought occurred to me that with Marmol's Hispanic heritage . Both parents from Dominican Republic ..Oli fluent in Spanish that he could be a huge asset on the international scene for the Cardinals. Moises Rodriguez is on a one-year contract as head of International scouting for this year. Wonder if Bloom would want Oli in a similar role for 2026 and beyond (that is if Oli does not think he would get another manager's job ) .

The club does not have a bad manager problem..

This is laughable!

The have a bad roster problem

Expectations are very low and who could replace marmol during the season?

Disagree. And easy....literally anyone!

Another organization guy..?. Yeah, that’s a great idea..

Your thoughts about his potential role after his managerial contract expires are profound…

[The Nard]

I would argue against the apparent strategy for 2026 to deal as ll the expensive veterans and not acquire at least 1bat and 1 starter for the coming season.and staying with the same manager. Why throw this season away?