hockey jedi wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 22:01 pm
Army made no mistakes this year other than poor asset management in regard to Colton Ellis. The team is just playing poorly. The Bolduc trade makes perfect sense. It just takes awhile for defenseman to season. Malloux will be fine. Suter and Bjugstad were smart decisions. No blame is deserved for anyone. The team looks out of sync. Hofer is terribly frustrated. He didn't just wake up terrible one day. The team just needs to keep working hard and play through this.
How is it poor management with Ellis? There was literally nothing they could do. He was of age and couldn't be sent down.
Do you really think Army could have traded him when other teams are trying to figure out where to put players. Or did you foresee him suddenly being better than Hofer...who some on here thought the Blue should trade Binnington and have Hofer be #1.
Fair enough. I believe Army could have traded either Hofer or Ellis. We all knew Ellis was coming off a great year. If he's a good asset manager, he can forecast with some reliability.
Hofer was coming off a solid year and you wanted Army to trade him and use Ellis as an unproven backup?
You thought that Ellis actually had trade value?
News flash, back up goalies are a dime a dozen in this league and carry next to no value.
rezero wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 21:17 pm
In 2024, Army made some great moves securing Holloway and Broberg, but 2025 was a totally different situation.
1) He traded away Bolduc who was the #4 rookie scorer and a potential perennial 20-25 goal scorer for a project defenseman that is mistake prone and doesn’t seem to learn from his mistakes.
Yep, you nailed it. The reason the Blues are struggling is because our #6 defensemen is a rookie. Astute. Also, Bolduc had one solid 4 month span. Yes, I think he’s going to be good but let’s everyone pump the [fork]ing brakes already. Christ almighty. People acting like we traded away the 2nd coming of Ovie. For Christ sakes, Bolduc had 19 goals last year, not 50.
2) He signed Bjugstad who seems as slow as a glacier and for being 6’6’ plays very soft
He’s been better than we could have expected. He’s not the problem.
3) He let Leddy walk for nothing when we are in desperate need of D help.
Really? Nick Leddy is the answer? Really? Come on…guy could barely crack the top 6 last year.
4) Signs Hofer for $6.8M only to find he has trouble playing with that large of a wallet slowing him down.
Honest question - did you predict this sort of meltdown from Hofer? Of course you didn’t - nobody did. Easy to monday morning quarterback it now, but most people applauded the signing in the moment.
5) The one decent move was Suter as he look as expected as steady 3rd line center.
This may be a long year!
Knowing what you know right now, would you make the Bolduc move? He is second on the Habs in goals and second in hits. Mailloux is watching games from the press box. You can’t seriously thing that was a good trade.
I would make it every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
The fact you are judging a trade after 10 games is comical.
The fact you are judging Mailoux after he has played just 20 NHL games is also comical.
How would you pay Bolduc the 5-6 million dollars he would command at the end of the year?
I think you are just trying to be funny and can't possibly be serious.
Whatever club you are performing at this weekend...is there a 2 drink minimum?
There is a decent chance we are going to look back at this, next year, this year idk when and it will be a steal by the Blues
I said from day one that this year would probably be ugly for Mailoux.
I would expect a rather pedestrian season next season as well. Its the year after(3rd season with Blues) that I think it will look like a steal for the Blues. To judge this trade now is just plain stupid.
rezero wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 21:17 pm
In 2024, Army made some great moves securing Holloway and Broberg, but 2025 was a totally different situation.
1) He traded away Bolduc who was the #4 rookie scorer and a potential perennial 20-25 goal scorer for a project defenseman that is mistake prone and doesn’t seem to learn from his mistakes.
Yep, you nailed it. The reason the Blues are struggling is because our #6 defensemen is a rookie. Astute. Also, Bolduc had one solid 4 month span. Yes, I think he’s going to be good but let’s everyone pump the [fork]ing brakes already. Christ almighty. People acting like we traded away the 2nd coming of Ovie. For Christ sakes, Bolduc had 19 goals last year, not 50.
2) He signed Bjugstad who seems as slow as a glacier and for being 6’6’ plays very soft
He’s been better than we could have expected. He’s not the problem.
3) He let Leddy walk for nothing when we are in desperate need of D help.
Really? Nick Leddy is the answer? Really? Come on…guy could barely crack the top 6 last year.
4) Signs Hofer for $6.8M only to find he has trouble playing with that large of a wallet slowing him down.
Honest question - did you predict this sort of meltdown from Hofer? Of course you didn’t - nobody did. Easy to monday morning quarterback it now, but most people applauded the signing in the moment.
5) The one decent move was Suter as he look as expected as steady 3rd line center.
This may be a long year!
Knowing what you know right now, would you make the Bolduc move? He is second on the Habs in goals and second in hits. Mailloux is watching games from the press box. You can’t seriously thing that was a good trade.
I would make it every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
The fact you are judging a trade after 10 games is comical.
The fact you are judging Mailoux after he has played just 20 NHL games is also comical.
How would you pay Bolduc the 5-6 million dollars he would command at the end of the year?
I think you are just trying to be funny and can't possibly be serious.
Whatever club you are performing at this weekend...is there a 2 drink minimum?
There is a decent chance we are going to look back at this, next year, this year idk when and it will be a steal by the Blues
There might be a time I'm glad we have LM, hell I'm glad now but there will never be a time I don't think we paid way over market value to get him.
rezero wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 21:17 pm
In 2024, Army made some great moves securing Holloway and Broberg, but 2025 was a totally different situation.
1) He traded away Bolduc who was the #4 rookie scorer and a potential perennial 20-25 goal scorer for a project defenseman that is mistake prone and doesn’t seem to learn from his mistakes.
Yep, you nailed it. The reason the Blues are struggling is because our #6 defensemen is a rookie. Astute. Also, Bolduc had one solid 4 month span. Yes, I think he’s going to be good but let’s everyone pump the [fork]ing brakes already. Christ almighty. People acting like we traded away the 2nd coming of Ovie. For Christ sakes, Bolduc had 19 goals last year, not 50.
2) He signed Bjugstad who seems as slow as a glacier and for being 6’6’ plays very soft
He’s been better than we could have expected. He’s not the problem.
3) He let Leddy walk for nothing when we are in desperate need of D help.
Really? Nick Leddy is the answer? Really? Come on…guy could barely crack the top 6 last year.
4) Signs Hofer for $6.8M only to find he has trouble playing with that large of a wallet slowing him down.
Honest question - did you predict this sort of meltdown from Hofer? Of course you didn’t - nobody did. Easy to monday morning quarterback it now, but most people applauded the signing in the moment.
5) The one decent move was Suter as he look as expected as steady 3rd line center.
This may be a long year!
Knowing what you know right now, would you make the Bolduc move? He is second on the Habs in goals and second in hits. Mailloux is watching games from the press box. You can’t seriously thing that was a good trade.
I would make it every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
The fact you are judging a trade after 10 games is comical.
The fact you are judging Mailoux after he has played just 20 NHL games is also comical.
How would you pay Bolduc the 5-6 million dollars he would command at the end of the year?
I think you are just trying to be funny and can't possibly be serious.
Whatever club you are performing at this weekend...is there a 2 drink minimum?
There is a decent chance we are going to look back at this, next year, this year idk when and it will be a steal by the Blues
There might be a time I'm glad we have LM, hell I'm glad now but there will never be a time I don't think we paid way over market value to get him.
Why the rush to judgement? I would have thought Pronger was a life lesson for generations to come. There is no call to rush to judgement on Mailloux, let time and his development unfold. Starting from a position of deep skepticism is your right, duly noted, but the accounting isn't due perhaps for several seasons yet.
rezero wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 21:17 pm
In 2024, Army made some great moves securing Holloway and Broberg, but 2025 was a totally different situation.
1) He traded away Bolduc who was the #4 rookie scorer and a potential perennial 20-25 goal scorer for a project defenseman that is mistake prone and doesn’t seem to learn from his mistakes.
Yep, you nailed it. The reason the Blues are struggling is because our #6 defensemen is a rookie. Astute. Also, Bolduc had one solid 4 month span. Yes, I think he’s going to be good but let’s everyone pump the [fork]ing brakes already. Christ almighty. People acting like we traded away the 2nd coming of Ovie. For Christ sakes, Bolduc had 19 goals last year, not 50.
2) He signed Bjugstad who seems as slow as a glacier and for being 6’6’ plays very soft
He’s been better than we could have expected. He’s not the problem.
3) He let Leddy walk for nothing when we are in desperate need of D help.
Really? Nick Leddy is the answer? Really? Come on…guy could barely crack the top 6 last year.
4) Signs Hofer for $6.8M only to find he has trouble playing with that large of a wallet slowing him down.
Honest question - did you predict this sort of meltdown from Hofer? Of course you didn’t - nobody did. Easy to monday morning quarterback it now, but most people applauded the signing in the moment.
5) The one decent move was Suter as he look as expected as steady 3rd line center.
This may be a long year!
Knowing what you know right now, would you make the Bolduc move? He is second on the Habs in goals and second in hits. Mailloux is watching games from the press box. You can’t seriously thing that was a good trade.
I would make it every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
The fact you are judging a trade after 10 games is comical.
The fact you are judging Mailoux after he has played just 20 NHL games is also comical.
How would you pay Bolduc the 5-6 million dollars he would command at the end of the year?
I think you are just trying to be funny and can't possibly be serious.
Whatever club you are performing at this weekend...is there a 2 drink minimum?
There is a decent chance we are going to look back at this, next year, this year idk when and it will be a steal by the Blues
There might be a time I'm glad we have LM, hell I'm glad now but there will never be a time I don't think we paid way over market value to get him.
Why the rush to judgement? I would have thought Pronger was a life lesson for generations to come. There is no call to rush to judgement on Mailloux, let time and his development unfold. Starting from a position of deep skepticism is your right, duly noted, but the accounting isn't due perhaps for several seasons yet.
I'm not rushing to judgement on the player, I'm evaluating his current market value.
Pavel Datsyuk scoring 900 points doesn't change the value of the 6th round pick used to select him. If we were to trade LM right now we would be lucky to get a late 2nd.
Lots of players that may or may not turn out to be something can be had for far less than a 19 goal rookie with grit and toughness
rezero wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 21:17 pm
In 2024, Army made some great moves securing Holloway and Broberg, but 2025 was a totally different situation.
1) He traded away Bolduc who was the #4 rookie scorer and a potential perennial 20-25 goal scorer for a project defenseman that is mistake prone and doesn’t seem to learn from his mistakes.
Yep, you nailed it. The reason the Blues are struggling is because our #6 defensemen is a rookie. Astute. Also, Bolduc had one solid 4 month span. Yes, I think he’s going to be good but let’s everyone pump the [fork]ing brakes already. Christ almighty. People acting like we traded away the 2nd coming of Ovie. For Christ sakes, Bolduc had 19 goals last year, not 50.
2) He signed Bjugstad who seems as slow as a glacier and for being 6’6’ plays very soft
He’s been better than we could have expected. He’s not the problem.
3) He let Leddy walk for nothing when we are in desperate need of D help.
Really? Nick Leddy is the answer? Really? Come on…guy could barely crack the top 6 last year.
4) Signs Hofer for $6.8M only to find he has trouble playing with that large of a wallet slowing him down.
Honest question - did you predict this sort of meltdown from Hofer? Of course you didn’t - nobody did. Easy to monday morning quarterback it now, but most people applauded the signing in the moment.
5) The one decent move was Suter as he look as expected as steady 3rd line center.
This may be a long year!
Knowing what you know right now, would you make the Bolduc move? He is second on the Habs in goals and second in hits. Mailloux is watching games from the press box. You can’t seriously thing that was a good trade.
I would make it every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
The fact you are judging a trade after 10 games is comical.
The fact you are judging Mailoux after he has played just 20 NHL games is also comical.
How would you pay Bolduc the 5-6 million dollars he would command at the end of the year?
I think you are just trying to be funny and can't possibly be serious.
Whatever club you are performing at this weekend...is there a 2 drink minimum?
There is a decent chance we are going to look back at this, next year, this year idk when and it will be a steal by the Blues
There might be a time I'm glad we have LM, hell I'm glad now but there will never be a time I don't think we paid way over market value to get him.
Why the rush to judgement? I would have thought Pronger was a life lesson for generations to come. There is no call to rush to judgement on Mailloux, let time and his development unfold. Starting from a position of deep skepticism is your right, duly noted, but the accounting isn't due perhaps for several seasons yet.
I'm not rushing to judgement on the player, I'm evaluating his current market value.
Pavel Datsyuk scoring 900 points doesn't change the value of the 6th round pick used to select him. If we were to trade LM right now we would be lucky to get a late 2nd.
Lots of players that may or may not turn out to be something can be had for far less than a 19 goal rookie with grit and toughness
I’d like to know why it’s only Mailloux and Snuggerud being given leeway to make mistakes here and not the other prospects. I’d live with things this way a lot easier than the 4-5 borderline minor league vets blocking roster spots with no results.
somni wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 10:23 am
Remember a few months ago when most on here were afraid Hofer was going to be offer-sheeted?
Yea, good times.
I don't remember hardly a word about Ellis then. The hindsight is off the charts on this.
Who cares what the hindsight of BluesTalkers is. Are you being paid to evaluate who is the best goalie? I'm not.
Remember when we thought Mailloux was a great steal for a "3rd-line Surplus Winger" named Bolduc?
Three weeks in, we find out that we have very few Wingers that can score. Yesterday's surplus is today's plum.
And on the other side of the coin, we are all fearing an immediate goal-against when Mailloux jumps over the boards.
Army's trades/acquisitions never work in our favor. First Dean. Now Bolduc.
Army's "roadside trash" seems to always get inscribed on Stanley Cups about 2 years later.
Anybody not fearing the absolute worst with the latest Army move (Hofer/Ellis) is not paying attention.
somni wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 10:23 am
Remember a few months ago when most on here were afraid Hofer was going to be offer-sheeted?
Yea, good times.
I don't remember hardly a word about Ellis then. The hindsight is off the charts on this.
Who cares what the hindsight of BluesTalkers is. Are you being paid to evaluate who is the best goalie? I'm not.
Remember when we thought Mailloux was a great steal for a "3rd-line Surplus Winger" named Bolduc?
Three weeks in, we find out that we have very few Wingers that can score. Yesterday's surplus is today's plum.
And on the other side of the coin, we are all fearing an immediate goal-against when Mailloux jumps over the boards.
Army's trades/acquisitions never work in our favor. First Dean. Now Bolduc.
Army's "roadside trash" seems to always get inscribed on Stanley Cups about 2 years later.
Anybody not fearing the absolute worst with the latest Army move (Hofer/Ellis) is not paying attention.
Why do you keep beating this dead horse? The team is losing, so you're now getting what you want from Army,a bad team. You'll be getting your precious high draft pick, so why not just go away and enjoy it.
hockey jedi wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 22:01 pm
Army made no mistakes this year other than poor asset management in regard to Colton Ellis. The team is just playing poorly. The Bolduc trade makes perfect sense. It just takes awhile for defenseman to season. Malloux will be fine. Suter and Bjugstad were smart decisions. No blame is deserved for anyone. The team looks out of sync. Hofer is terribly frustrated. He didn't just wake up terrible one day. The team just needs to keep working hard and play through this.
How is it poor management with Ellis? There was literally nothing they could do. He was of age and couldn't be sent down.
Do you really think Army could have traded him when other teams are trying to figure out where to put players. Or did you foresee him suddenly being better than Hofer...who some on here thought the Blue should trade Binnington and have Hofer be #1.
Fair enough. I believe Army could have traded either Hofer or Ellis. We all knew Ellis was coming off a great year. If he's a good asset manager, he can forecast with some reliability.
Hofer was coming off a solid year and you wanted Army to trade him and use Ellis as an unproven backup?
You thought that Ellis actually had trade value?
News flash, back up goalies are a dime a dozen in this league and carry next to no value.
NEWS FLASH......Learn how to read..... more news at 10!!!!
somni wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 10:23 am
Remember a few months ago when most on here were afraid Hofer was going to be offer-sheeted?
Yea, good times.
I don't remember hardly a word about Ellis then. The hindsight is off the charts on this.
Who cares what the hindsight of BluesTalkers is. Are you being paid to evaluate who is the best goalie? I'm not.
Remember when we thought Mailloux was a great steal for a "3rd-line Surplus Winger" named Bolduc?
Three weeks in, we find out that we have very few Wingers that can score. Yesterday's surplus is today's plum.
And on the other side of the coin, we are all fearing an immediate goal-against when Mailloux jumps over the boards.
Army's trades/acquisitions never work in our favor. First Dean. Now Bolduc.
Army's "roadside trash" seems to always get inscribed on Stanley Cups about 2 years later.
Anybody not fearing the absolute worst with the latest Army move (Hofer/Ellis) is not paying attention.
Why do you keep beating this dead horse? The team is losing, so you're now getting what you want from Army,a bad team. You'll be getting your precious high draft pick, so why not just go away and enjoy it.
When Army gets 1/4 as much blame as the team and coach, I'll start to be happy. Till then, it's bombs away.
hockey jedi wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 22:01 pm
Army made no mistakes this year other than poor asset management in regard to Colton Ellis. The team is just playing poorly. The Bolduc trade makes perfect sense. It just takes awhile for defenseman to season. Malloux will be fine. Suter and Bjugstad were smart decisions. No blame is deserved for anyone. The team looks out of sync. Hofer is terribly frustrated. He didn't just wake up terrible one day. The team just needs to keep working hard and play through this.
How is it poor management with Ellis? There was literally nothing they could do. He was of age and couldn't be sent down.
Do you really think Army could have traded him when other teams are trying to figure out where to put players. Or did you foresee him suddenly being better than Hofer...who some on here thought the Blue should trade Binnington and have Hofer be #1.
Fair enough. I believe Army could have traded either Hofer or Ellis. We all knew Ellis was coming off a great year. If he's a good asset manager, he can forecast with some reliability.
Hofer was coming off a solid year and you wanted Army to trade him and use Ellis as an unproven backup?
You thought that Ellis actually had trade value?
News flash, back up goalies are a dime a dozen in this league and carry next to no value.
NEWS FLASH......Learn how to read..... more news at 10!!!!
Army could have traded one or the other motard
I read it dumb chit. HE COULDN'T TRADE EITHER OF THEM.
You couldn't trade Ellis and get anything of value.
You couldn't trade Hofer because that would leave you with an inexperienced back up....besides the fact you signed him to an extension which everyone was happy with at the time of the signing.
rezero wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 21:17 pm
In 2024, Army made some great moves securing Holloway and Broberg, but 2025 was a totally different situation.
1) He traded away Bolduc who was the #4 rookie scorer and a potential perennial 20-25 goal scorer for a project defenseman that is mistake prone and doesn’t seem to learn from his mistakes.
Potential. Potential. Potential. Let's say we keep him and don't make the trade. How does our defense improve then this year or even next? We have a serious shortage of RHDmen and Faulk only has a year left and is at best a 4th dman but likely is transitioning into a 5th or 6th. This was a position that needed addressing. We had an influx of young wingers and Bolduc was going to be paid, so this was a calculated risk and one I would do every single time even seeing the results so far.
2) He signed Bjugstad who seems as slow as a glacier and for being 6’6’ plays very soft
We needed centers, he signed two. Bjugstad isn't long term. If it doesn't work out it doesn't work out.
3) He let Leddy walk for nothing when we are in desperate need of D help.
Last year the vast majority on the board wanted to give Leddy away for a sock with a hole in it.
4) Signs Hofer for $6.8M only to find he has trouble playing with that large of a wallet slowing him down.
We had multiple threads on this very site of people having anxiety attacks about Hofer getting offer sheeted and now we are worried that we are stuck with him.
5) The one decent move was Suter as he look as expected as steady 3rd line center.
This may be a long year!
or this is a team that is off to a bad start because of a goaltender who has all of a sudden lost all of his confidence and a run of bad luck the likes of which I haven't seen in quite a while.
