For being a “goal scorer”Kyrou can’t hit a spot

[theograce]

Another bash Kyrou thread. Neat. When does Binner get some responsibility for this mess. Oh that’s right it’s always someone else.

I am being serious. What shot was he really responsible for, other than DeBrincat's?

Even the DeBrincat goal was poor effort by the skaters in front of him - that's mainly the Blues skaters letting one of Detroit's best goal scorers skate in the zone at full speed, cross the middle to the slot wide open and then allow a sniper to go to a goal scorer's zone unabated for an uncontested shot.

But the other goals? Crazy deflections and a pass across the crease to a wide open winger on the PP. Those happen when skaters allow the opposition to control the puck and get in position.

1. Good teams control the puck when you have a lead, get the puck in deep, pin the zone, check and tire the other team out, and even add to their lead if the other opponent scores a goal or two.

2. Bad teams cede possession of the puck, don't block shots or shot pathways. Allow the other team to get the puck in deep, allow the other team to get in position in front of the net, don't check, don't skate and turn the puck over in the neutral zone. And allow the other team to score 6 unanswered, with a single response in anyway shape or form.

Guess which one we were?

Well…Binnington has had above a .901 SV% once over the past 4 years.

Binnington is a Rorschach test, you can frame him up any way you want, but I don't think he is part of the problem. While he hasn't been great so far, if he had been great, they would still be this same team doing what they're doing. I don't see the Blues skaters firing on all cylinders and Binnington letting them down

I agree. I just don’t think Binnington is that special of a goaltender. He can elevate and breeds some confidence … but yeah

[MiamiLaw]

Another bash Kyrou thread. Neat. When does Binner get some responsibility for this mess. Oh that’s right it’s always someone else.

I am being serious. What shot was he really responsible for, other than DeBrincat's?

Even the DeBrincat goal was poor effort by the skaters in front of him - that's mainly the Blues skaters letting one of Detroit's best goal scorers skate in the zone at full speed, cross the middle to the slot wide open and then allow a sniper to go to a goal scorer's zone unabated for an uncontested shot.

But the other goals? Crazy deflections and a pass across the crease to a wide open winger on the PP. Those happen when skaters allow the opposition to control the puck and get in position.

1. Good teams control the puck when you have a lead, get the puck in deep, pin the zone, check and tire the other team out, and even add to their lead if the other opponent scores a goal or two.

2. Bad teams cede possession of the puck, don't block shots or shot pathways. Allow the other team to get the puck in deep, allow the other team to get in position in front of the net, don't check, don't skate and turn the puck over in the neutral zone. And allow the other team to score 6 unanswered, with a single response in anyway shape or form.

Guess which one we were?

Well…Binnington has had above a .901 SV% once over the past 4 years.

Binnington is a Rorschach test, you can frame him up any way you want, but I don't think he is part of the problem. While he hasn't been great so far, if he had been great, they would still be this same team doing what they're doing. I don't see the Blues skaters firing on all cylinders and Binnington letting them down

I agree. I just don’t think Binnington is that special of a goaltender. He can elevate and breeds some confidence … but yeah

I generally agree but he has two things that make him more valuable than the average goalie: (1) elite puck handling that can shut down a dump and chase; and (2) the intangible and rare ability to greatly elevate his game in high pressure situations.

And he seems to generally respect the franchise and its history, like Perron did, and he gets a lot of respect from me for that

[bud white]

Another bash Kyrou thread. Neat. When does Binner get some responsibility for this mess. Oh that’s right it’s always someone else.

Close. It’s always Kyrou regardless. Aren’t you familiar with the mantra in this town? Bleed all over ‘em, let ‘em know you’re there!

Monty has stated that it is the same thing, the same mistakes, the same bad habits - that plagued the team when he came on board. What is the connective tissue? It needs to be someone who was here at that time and receives significant ice time.

Thomas? Buch? Parayko? All those guys fit the bill as well, but yet people keep going to the same guy. I’m not saying Kyrou doesn’t have things to work on, they all do, yet he is the one that gets all the blame.

Watch Kyrou very closely when he's "checking". The "fastest player in the league" just a few years ago, coasts a lot when he doesn't have the puck and reaches in with one hand on the stick extended.

I watched him bump into his own team mates on multiple occasions yesterday as if he has no idea where he's supposed to be.

IMO, it would be a wise choice to bench him for a game or two. A move that serves multiple purposes:

1. No one is bigger than the team.
2. No one is bigger than the head coach.
3. The message to the younger players is that anyone can be benched - regardless of paycheck - if they aren't giving a full effort for 60 minutes.

Not a long term thing - but a wake up call for the entire roster.

[theograce]

Another bash Kyrou thread. Neat. When does Binner get some responsibility for this mess. Oh that’s right it’s always someone else.

I am being serious. What shot was he really responsible for, other than DeBrincat's?

Even the DeBrincat goal was poor effort by the skaters in front of him - that's mainly the Blues skaters letting one of Detroit's best goal scorers skate in the zone at full speed, cross the middle to the slot wide open and then allow a sniper to go to a goal scorer's zone unabated for an uncontested shot.

But the other goals? Crazy deflections and a pass across the crease to a wide open winger on the PP. Those happen when skaters allow the opposition to control the puck and get in position.

1. Good teams control the puck when you have a lead, get the puck in deep, pin the zone, check and tire the other team out, and even add to their lead if the other opponent scores a goal or two.

2. Bad teams cede possession of the puck, don't block shots or shot pathways. Allow the other team to get the puck in deep, allow the other team to get in position in front of the net, don't check, don't skate and turn the puck over in the neutral zone. And allow the other team to score 6 unanswered, with a single response in anyway shape or form.

Guess which one we were?

Well…Binnington has had above a .901 SV% once over the past 4 years.

Binnington is a Rorschach test, you can frame him up any way you want, but I don't think he is part of the problem. While he hasn't been great so far, if he had been great, they would still be this same team doing what they're doing. I don't see the Blues skaters firing on all cylinders and Binnington letting them down

I agree. I just don’t think Binnington is that special of a goaltender. He can elevate and breeds some confidence … but yeah

I generally agree but he has two things that make him more valuable than the average goalie: (1) elite puck handling that can shut down a dump and chase; and (2) the intangible and rare ability to greatly elevate his game in high pressure situations.

And he seems to generally respect the franchise and its history, like Perron did, and he gets a lot of respect from me for that

Yup agree with the puck.

[theograce]

Kyrou is basically untradeable at this point.

Both sides must be miserable. He has to want out

[bud white]

Kyrou is basically untradeable at this point.

Both sides must be miserable. He has to want out

Yep. We saw he was untradeable this past summer. Islanders didn't want him, Montreal didn't want him. I'm sure he's been offered around a lot more than we realize. No one wants his contract for what he delivers game in and game out. Far too inconsistent and indifferent for stretches.

[theograce]

Kyrou is basically untradeable at this point.

Both sides must be miserable. He has to want out

Yep. We saw he was untradeable this past summer. Islanders didn't want him, Montreal didn't want him. I'm sure he's been offered around a lot more than we realize. No one wants his contract for what he delivers game in and game out. Far too inconsistent and indifferent for stretches.

The Blues are playing him 15 minutes and under in big games and are publicly saying he doesn’t care lol.

Smart. Good luck on that one Doug

[WilliamWestcliffe]

Another bash Kyrou thread. Neat. When does Binner get some responsibility for this mess. Oh that’s right it’s always someone else.

I am being serious. What shot was he really responsible for, other than DeBrincat's?

Even the DeBrincat goal was poor effort by the skaters in front of him - that's mainly the Blues skaters letting one of Detroit's best goal scorers skate in the zone at full speed, cross the middle to the slot wide open and then allow a sniper to go to a goal scorer's zone unabated for an uncontested shot.

But the other goals? Crazy deflections and a pass across the crease to a wide open winger on the PP. Those happen when skaters allow the opposition to control the puck and get in position.

1. Good teams control the puck when you have a lead, get the puck in deep, pin the zone, check and tire the other team out, and even add to their lead if the other opponent scores a goal or two.

2. Bad teams cede possession of the puck, don't block shots or shot pathways. Allow the other team to get the puck in deep, allow the other team to get in position in front of the net, don't check, don't skate and turn the puck over in the neutral zone. And allow the other team to score 6 unanswered, with a single response in anyway shape or form.

Guess which one we were?

Well…Binnington has had above a .901 SV% once over the past 4 years.

Over the same four years they haven’t had a defense that can defend the front of the net.

So I’ll rely on the eye test to tell me he’s one of the most competitive goalies in the league and without him the team in front of him would be averaging 7 goals against consistently.

[theograce]

Another bash Kyrou thread. Neat. When does Binner get some responsibility for this mess. Oh that’s right it’s always someone else.

I am being serious. What shot was he really responsible for, other than DeBrincat's?

Even the DeBrincat goal was poor effort by the skaters in front of him - that's mainly the Blues skaters letting one of Detroit's best goal scorers skate in the zone at full speed, cross the middle to the slot wide open and then allow a sniper to go to a goal scorer's zone unabated for an uncontested shot.

But the other goals? Crazy deflections and a pass across the crease to a wide open winger on the PP. Those happen when skaters allow the opposition to control the puck and get in position.

1. Good teams control the puck when you have a lead, get the puck in deep, pin the zone, check and tire the other team out, and even add to their lead if the other opponent scores a goal or two.

2. Bad teams cede possession of the puck, don't block shots or shot pathways. Allow the other team to get the puck in deep, allow the other team to get in position in front of the net, don't check, don't skate and turn the puck over in the neutral zone. And allow the other team to score 6 unanswered, with a single response in anyway shape or form.

Guess which one we were?

Well…Binnington has had above a .901 SV% once over the past 4 years.

Over the same four years they haven’t had a defense that can defend the front of the net.

So I’ll rely on the eye test to tell me he’s one of the most competitive goalies in the league and without him the team in front of him would be averaging 7 goals against consistently.

When’s the last time an NHL team averaged 7 GA? 6? 5?

[WilliamWestcliffe]

Another bash Kyrou thread. Neat. When does Binner get some responsibility for this mess. Oh that’s right it’s always someone else.

I am being serious. What shot was he really responsible for, other than DeBrincat's?

Even the DeBrincat goal was poor effort by the skaters in front of him - that's mainly the Blues skaters letting one of Detroit's best goal scorers skate in the zone at full speed, cross the middle to the slot wide open and then allow a sniper to go to a goal scorer's zone unabated for an uncontested shot.

But the other goals? Crazy deflections and a pass across the crease to a wide open winger on the PP. Those happen when skaters allow the opposition to control the puck and get in position.

1. Good teams control the puck when you have a lead, get the puck in deep, pin the zone, check and tire the other team out, and even add to their lead if the other opponent scores a goal or two.

2. Bad teams cede possession of the puck, don't block shots or shot pathways. Allow the other team to get the puck in deep, allow the other team to get in position in front of the net, don't check, don't skate and turn the puck over in the neutral zone. And allow the other team to score 6 unanswered, with a single response in anyway shape or form.

Guess which one we were?

Well…Binnington has had above a .901 SV% once over the past 4 years.

Over the same four years they haven’t had a defense that can defend the front of the net.

So I’ll rely on the eye test to tell me he’s one of the most competitive goalies in the league and without him the team in front of him would be averaging 7 goals against consistently.

When’s the last time an NHL team averaged 7 GA? 6? 5?

They’re currently averaging over 6 GA in games Binnington doesn’t start.

[theograce]

Another bash Kyrou thread. Neat. When does Binner get some responsibility for this mess. Oh that’s right it’s always someone else.

I am being serious. What shot was he really responsible for, other than DeBrincat's?

Even the DeBrincat goal was poor effort by the skaters in front of him - that's mainly the Blues skaters letting one of Detroit's best goal scorers skate in the zone at full speed, cross the middle to the slot wide open and then allow a sniper to go to a goal scorer's zone unabated for an uncontested shot.

But the other goals? Crazy deflections and a pass across the crease to a wide open winger on the PP. Those happen when skaters allow the opposition to control the puck and get in position.

1. Good teams control the puck when you have a lead, get the puck in deep, pin the zone, check and tire the other team out, and even add to their lead if the other opponent scores a goal or two.

2. Bad teams cede possession of the puck, don't block shots or shot pathways. Allow the other team to get the puck in deep, allow the other team to get in position in front of the net, don't check, don't skate and turn the puck over in the neutral zone. And allow the other team to score 6 unanswered, with a single response in anyway shape or form.

Guess which one we were?

Well…Binnington has had above a .901 SV% once over the past 4 years.

Over the same four years they haven’t had a defense that can defend the front of the net.

So I’ll rely on the eye test to tell me he’s one of the most competitive goalies in the league and without him the team in front of him would be averaging 7 goals against consistently.

When’s the last time an NHL team averaged 7 GA? 6? 5?

They’re currently averaging over 6 GA in games Binnington doesn’t start.

So none?

[WilliamWestcliffe]

Another bash Kyrou thread. Neat. When does Binner get some responsibility for this mess. Oh that’s right it’s always someone else.

I am being serious. What shot was he really responsible for, other than DeBrincat's?

Even the DeBrincat goal was poor effort by the skaters in front of him - that's mainly the Blues skaters letting one of Detroit's best goal scorers skate in the zone at full speed, cross the middle to the slot wide open and then allow a sniper to go to a goal scorer's zone unabated for an uncontested shot.

But the other goals? Crazy deflections and a pass across the crease to a wide open winger on the PP. Those happen when skaters allow the opposition to control the puck and get in position.

1. Good teams control the puck when you have a lead, get the puck in deep, pin the zone, check and tire the other team out, and even add to their lead if the other opponent scores a goal or two.

2. Bad teams cede possession of the puck, don't block shots or shot pathways. Allow the other team to get the puck in deep, allow the other team to get in position in front of the net, don't check, don't skate and turn the puck over in the neutral zone. And allow the other team to score 6 unanswered, with a single response in anyway shape or form.

Guess which one we were?

Well…Binnington has had above a .901 SV% once over the past 4 years.

Over the same four years they haven’t had a defense that can defend the front of the net.

So I’ll rely on the eye test to tell me he’s one of the most competitive goalies in the league and without him the team in front of him would be averaging 7 goals against consistently.

When’s the last time an NHL team averaged 7 GA? 6? 5?

They’re currently averaging over 6 GA in games Binnington doesn’t start.

So none?

I just told you this team, currently, (pay attention) is averaging 6.64 GA in games Binnington doesn’t start and sub 4 GAA when he does start.

Which goes to show you exactly why Binnington is your best option with this defense.

But go ahead and phone Doug and let him know you’d like to run that experiment with Hofer and Zherenko (lololol) and I guess we’ll find out.

[theograce]

Another bash Kyrou thread. Neat. When does Binner get some responsibility for this mess. Oh that’s right it’s always someone else.

I am being serious. What shot was he really responsible for, other than DeBrincat's?

Even the DeBrincat goal was poor effort by the skaters in front of him - that's mainly the Blues skaters letting one of Detroit's best goal scorers skate in the zone at full speed, cross the middle to the slot wide open and then allow a sniper to go to a goal scorer's zone unabated for an uncontested shot.

But the other goals? Crazy deflections and a pass across the crease to a wide open winger on the PP. Those happen when skaters allow the opposition to control the puck and get in position.

1. Good teams control the puck when you have a lead, get the puck in deep, pin the zone, check and tire the other team out, and even add to their lead if the other opponent scores a goal or two.

2. Bad teams cede possession of the puck, don't block shots or shot pathways. Allow the other team to get the puck in deep, allow the other team to get in position in front of the net, don't check, don't skate and turn the puck over in the neutral zone. And allow the other team to score 6 unanswered, with a single response in anyway shape or form.

Guess which one we were?

Well…Binnington has had above a .901 SV% once over the past 4 years.

Over the same four years they haven’t had a defense that can defend the front of the net.

So I’ll rely on the eye test to tell me he’s one of the most competitive goalies in the league and without him the team in front of him would be averaging 7 goals against consistently.

When’s the last time an NHL team averaged 7 GA? 6? 5?

They’re currently averaging over 6 GA in games Binnington doesn’t start.

So none?

I just told you this team, currently, (pay attention) is averaging 6.64 GA in games Binnington doesn’t start and sub 4 GAA when he does start.

Which goes to show you exactly why Binnington is your best option with this defense.

But go ahead and phone Doug and let him know you’d like to run that experiment with Hofer and Zherenko (lololol) and I guess we’ll find out.

Binnington just let in 6. Your sample size is nice. When, over time, has binninton had a way better GA than the other guy on the Blues? What year?