The projected lineup for tonight....

[schwartzwatch]

...speaks louder than most.

PROJECTED LINEUP
Forwards

Jake Neighbours - Robert Thomas - Jimmy Snuggerud
Mathieu Joseph - Brayden Schenn - Jordan Kyrou
Pavel Buchnevich - Pius Suter - Nathan Walker
Dylan Holloway - Oskar Sundqvist - Nick Bjugstad

Defense

Cam Fowler - Colton Parayko
Philip Broberg - Justin Faulk
Tyler Tucker - Matthew Kessel

Goalie

Jordan Binnington

[kimzey59]

We need Toro back in a BAD way.

[Cahokanut]

I don't like it. Holloway isn't a fourth liner and would probably be looking a lot better if he was allowed to play his game with linemates that also play his game.

This need for skill to work the boards, and chase hits isn't the hockey that says re-sign here.

[Bacchk29]

Reeks of panic and no it won’t stay that way. And no we don’t need Torpo back.

[kimzey59]

I don't like it. Holloway isn't a fourth liner and would probably be looking a lot better if he was allowed to play his game with linemates that also play his game.

This need for skill to work the boards, and chase hits isn't the hockey that says re-sign here.

Holloway started the year with Schenn and Kyrou.
ALL he did was chase hits(he's already at 20 hits for the year).
He's been a train wreck defensively, hasn't been going to the front of the net and isn't moving his feet when he has the puck.
He SHOULD be on the bench for a game or two. And he probably would be if Toro were healthy.

Wanting to be more physical is great; but not when it comes at the expense of everything that made you successful last year. He needs to get back to that speed game instead of trying to be a tough guy.

[DawgDad]

I don't like it. Holloway isn't a fourth liner and would probably be looking a lot better if he was allowed to play his game with linemates that also play his game.

This need for skill to work the boards, and chase hits isn't the hockey that says re-sign here.

Holloway started the year with Schenn and Kyrou.
ALL he did was chase hits(he's already at 20 hits for the year).
He's been a train wreck defensively, hasn't been going to the front of the net and isn't moving his feet when he has the puck.
He SHOULD be on the bench for a game or two. And he probably would be if Toro were healthy.

Wanting to be more physical is great; but not when it comes at the expense of everything that made you successful last year. He needs to get back to that speed game instead of trying to be a tough guy.

Couple of thoughts:

I wonder if there's still something going on with Dylan physically or mentally coming off his injury. 4th line is a way to limit shifts and minutes, you just do not do that with a fully capable Holloway even if he is in a slump.

Although, that 4th line is more akin to a 3rd line than a 4th. It could light up the scoreboard. Does Monty want to run four lines in rotation for a while then collapse them, see who came to play?

[hotrivets]

I don't like it. Holloway isn't a fourth liner and would probably be looking a lot better if he was allowed to play his game with linemates that also play his game.

This need for skill to work the boards, and chase hits isn't the hockey that says re-sign here.

Holloway started the year with Schenn and Kyrou.
ALL he did was chase hits(he's already at 20 hits for the year).
He's been a train wreck defensively, hasn't been going to the front of the net and isn't moving his feet when he has the puck.
He SHOULD be on the bench for a game or two. And he probably would be if Toro were healthy.

Wanting to be more physical is great; but not when it comes at the expense of everything that made you successful last year. He needs to get back to that speed game instead of trying to be a tough guy.

Couple of thoughts:

I wonder if there's still something going on with Dylan physically or mentally coming off his injury. 4th line is a way to limit shifts and minutes, you just do not do that with a fully capable Holloway even if he is in a slump.

Although, that 4th line is more akin to a 3rd line than a 4th. It could light up the scoreboard. Does Monty want to run four lines in rotation for a while then collapse them, see who came to play?

Makes it harder for Detroit to match lines also even though they have the last say.

[moose-and-squirrel]

I don't like it. Holloway isn't a fourth liner and would probably be looking a lot better if he was allowed to play his game with linemates that also play his game.

This need for skill to work the boards, and chase hits isn't the hockey that says re-sign here.

Holloway started the year with Schenn and Kyrou.
ALL he did was chase hits(he's already at 20 hits for the year).
He's been a train wreck defensively, hasn't been going to the front of the net and isn't moving his feet when he has the puck.
He SHOULD be on the bench for a game or two. And he probably would be if Toro were healthy.

Wanting to be more physical is great; but not when it comes at the expense of everything that made you successful last year. He needs to get back to that speed game instead of trying to be a tough guy.

Couple of thoughts:

I wonder if there's still something going on with Dylan physically or mentally coming off his injury. 4th line is a way to limit shifts and minutes, you just do not do that with a fully capable Holloway even if he is in a slump.

Although, that 4th line is more akin to a 3rd line than a 4th. It could light up the scoreboard. Does Monty want to run four lines in rotation for a while then collapse them, see who came to play?

good point.. very doubtful this is the way the lines end up by the 3rd.. if that long

[oldbattler]

I don't like it. Holloway isn't a fourth liner and would probably be looking a lot better if he was allowed to play his game with linemates that also play his game.

This need for skill to work the boards, and chase hits isn't the hockey that says re-sign here.

Holloway started the year with Schenn and Kyrou.
ALL he did was chase hits(he's already at 20 hits for the year).
He's been a train wreck defensively, hasn't been going to the front of the net and isn't moving his feet when he has the puck.
He SHOULD be on the bench for a game or two. And he probably would be if Toro were healthy.

Wanting to be more physical is great; but not when it comes at the expense of everything that made you successful last year. He needs to get back to that speed game instead of trying to be a tough guy.

Kimsey59.
I agree with you, Hollaway at the beginning of this year was playing with Schenn and Kyrou.
Last game he was on Thomas line, so he has played with good players.

Hollaway stats so far this year,
1 goal 1 assist and -6 . Link below.

https://www.nhl.com/blues/player/dylan-holloway-8482077

Will he get it going again.
I think so but so far this year he hasn,t.

The Blues top offensive players Hollaway , Kryou ,Thomas and Buchnevich need to get some consistent offense going each game and start scoring.

Also the Blues Defensive game needs to get alot better and Joe Hofer when he plays again, needs to get out his slump and play like he did last year.
Will it happen .
Time will tell.
I sure do hope so.

[theograce]

I don't like it. Holloway isn't a fourth liner and would probably be looking a lot better if he was allowed to play his game with linemates that also play his game.

This need for skill to work the boards, and chase hits isn't the hockey that says re-sign here.

Holloway started the year with Schenn and Kyrou.
ALL he did was chase hits(he's already at 20 hits for the year).
He's been a train wreck defensively, hasn't been going to the front of the net and isn't moving his feet when he has the puck.
He SHOULD be on the bench for a game or two. And he probably would be if Toro were healthy.

Wanting to be more physical is great; but not when it comes at the expense of everything that made you successful last year. He needs to get back to that speed game instead of trying to be a tough guy.

He had a 165 hits last year. Essentially the same pace

[AtillaTheBlue1]

Pavel Buchnevich

ship sailed on getting rid of him for any value

thaat contract will be an anchor to get any value, sure you can find a team for him, but your getting average picks, or pick and a lottery ticket prospect

[Cahokanut]

I don't like it. Holloway isn't a fourth liner and would probably be looking a lot better if he was allowed to play his game with linemates that also play his game.

This need for skill to work the boards, and chase hits isn't the hockey that says re-sign here.

Holloway started the year with Schenn and Kyrou.
ALL he did was chase hits(he's already at 20 hits for the year).
He's been a train wreck defensively, hasn't been going to the front of the net and isn't moving his feet when he has the puck.
He SHOULD be on the bench for a game or two. And he probably would be if Toro were healthy.

Wanting to be more physical is great; but not when it comes at the expense of everything that made you successful last year. He needs to get back to that speed game instead of trying to be a tough guy.

One thing is not like the other. Schenn will get his points but in no way plays the game at Hollo, Kyrou level. Making passes, and plays between the three either behind, or ahead.

But that's not half the problem. That the style of play, that line is coached to play is. Holloway isn't a Net front player but a 'take it to the net, player.

Instead of hitting a streaking Kyrou, or Holloway. Puck carrier throws to the end board, wing1 goes for the puck, wing 2/puck tosser. One heads to the paint, the other heads to the deep board line then closes in to the net. The puck either goes to defender or towards net.
Good for Schenn, Neighbours, Sunny, Walker, Joe, Toro, Bugs, Thomas can, should be real good for Buch, and it's what Snugs is being taught. But not so good for Kyrou, Holloway, Tex, Thomas, Snuggs.

Another problem with that play for skilled player is that they don't get into a skating grove. But a lot of holding position while board battle, garbage happens. Eventually slower skating rebounds as disappointment builds and game gets watched.

He needs to be able to play the game he knows with others who think the game at the same level. The coach's constant drive for defense, at the cost of offense should be for guys and lines that can't use their offense as the teams defense. In other words. Kyrou and Holloway need to stay on the top line with Thomas.

[Mr.Snuggleupagus]

Holloway started the year with Schenn and Kyrou.
ALL he did was chase hits(he's already at 20 hits for the year).
He's been a train wreck defensively, hasn't been going to the front of the net and isn't moving his feet when he has the puck.
He SHOULD be on the bench for a game or two. And he probably would be if Toro were healthy.

That would be a great way to get him to sign a contract extension.