Sports Betting : Somewhat OT

[callitwhatyouwant]

What's your guys opinion on the topic? My opinion on the subject is that Prop bets need to go. Unless you are in the same room watching a game, there shouldn't be any prop bets happening. I think sports gambling is fine. It's a good driver of an industry that I love which is sports. BUT, is there crossing the line? Should we have sports gambling at our fingertips? I don't understand how that is legal but online poker is banned.

My thought process, there needs to be limits on what is allowed but gambling in general needs to be mainstream. As an athlete, you have a 0 tolerance policy. If you get caught gambling within your sport, your are stripped of all previous titles, can't work in the industry etc... Set the bar today. Moving forward, if you are proven of gambling on your sport, your vacate all existence in the sport. Yes, that is harsh. but that is how serious it needs to be to maintain integrity. Only problem is, if a ref/coach/player makes enough money, they might care less about the impact they have.

Anyways, what is your guys thoughts?

[DawgDad]

Is this something we will be allowed to discuss? I don't see how.

[mph6689new]

I separate personal from legal.
Personally, I think very limited.
However, in a free country, I feel like betting should be available in whatever form two+ parties agree to.
I'm sure I could be argued into some kind of regulation based on something I'm not thinking about or aware of, but mostly that is my stance.

[seattleblue]

Personally I favor online poker since I used to do that for a living. I was just joking with my former backer about Chauncey. They always get you on the money. But since it's an OT thread I wanted to mention I am making dutch oven lamb stew for the first time today. I'm salivating. As far as betting on sports I personally dip a toe in the water here and there but the pervasiveness of it now cannot possibly be healthy for society. None of my business whether society should be healthy or sick, I assume it's going to be massively sick, so whatever.

[Kilokaai]

I am not a gambler by any stretch of the word, so it is all noise to me. If it somehow kept John Kelly on the telecast or something like that I might be more in favor of that money. I only see it as cluttering up up the screen which is annoying since I am not going to participate.

I am in my mid thirties and in my extended family almost all of the kids (becoming adults) from 18-27 are always talking about money lines, parlays, or things like Underdog. Gambling is too common now in my opinion just off the top of my head Labubu, Pokemon cards, video game crates, and actual gambling "game" that those same content creators steer people towards.

I am all for people spending their money how they please, but I think we are dealing with exposure risk at too young of an age which I don't think was possible before internet era.

[somni]

Personally I favor online poker since I used to do that for a living. I was just joking with my former backer about Chauncey. They always get you on the money. But since it's an OT thread I wanted to mention I am making dutch oven lamb stew for the first time today. I'm salivating. As far as betting on sports I personally dip a toe in the water here and there but the pervasiveness of it now cannot possibly be healthy for society. None of my business whether society should be healthy or sick, I assume it's going to be massively sick, so whatever.

I do some betting, but only $2-$4 parlays (big spender!). It's fun. But I can see how it can get out of control for some. And Oregon won't let you bet on amateur sports...college. But I enjoy it and I like to look up trends on players/teams. I mainly do the NFL because there are so many stats to bet on.

And more OT: OMG! I love my Dutch oven. I made beef short-ribs last weekend. So effing good. I love this time of year and breaking out my Dutch oven.

[George Zipp]

I too used to play online poker and though it wasn't for a living I was at times making more money from poker than I did from work. Poker is a different beast involving a different skill set and it's the only form of "gambling" where you have so much more control and don't have to deal with the house, other than to pay them for the privilege of their facility or their bandwidth hosting the game.

I also used to sports bet quite a bit and I suck at it. Most people suck at it but won't admit it. Here is my long haul opinion about sports betting. If you can afford it and want to bet a game or a parlay on occasion, go for it. If you think you are going to be James Holzhauer and do this long haul for a living and make millions, you won't. Over the long run chances are astronomical that you will lose more than you win. Anyone that says otherwise is lying. You are also seeing more and more stories like today with the NBA and the Mob. I'm not cynical enough to think the entire deal is rigged but I'm also not dumb enough (true story) to think that shennanigans don't happen from time to time.

[seattleblue]

Personally I favor online poker since I used to do that for a living. I was just joking with my former backer about Chauncey. They always get you on the money. But since it's an OT thread I wanted to mention I am making dutch oven lamb stew for the first time today. I'm salivating. As far as betting on sports I personally dip a toe in the water here and there but the pervasiveness of it now cannot possibly be healthy for society. None of my business whether society should be healthy or sick, I assume it's going to be massively sick, so whatever.

I do some betting, but only $2-$4 parlays (big spender!). It's fun. But I can see how it can get out of control for some. And Oregon won't let you bet on amateur sports...college. But I enjoy it and I like to look up trends on players/teams. I mainly do the NFL because there are so many stats to bet on.

And more OT: OMG! I love my Dutch oven. I made beef short-ribs last weekend. So effing good. I love this time of year and breaking out my Dutch oven.

I have the America's Test Kitchen "Cook it in your Dutch Oven" recipe book and the blueberry grunt in there is the one I make the most. We have a Washington apple tree and I am halfway through peeling and freezing the slices for the homemade pie crusts I freeze. A tender beef short rib is delicious.

[mph6689new]

I am not a gambler by any stretch of the word, so it is all noise to me. If it somehow kept John Kelly on the telecast or something like that I might be more in favor of that money. I only see it as cluttering up up the screen which is annoying since I am not going to participate.

I am in my mid thirties and in my extended family almost all of the kids (becoming adults) from 18-27 are always talking about money lines, parlays, or things like Underdog. Gambling is too common now in my opinion just off the top of my head Labubu, Pokemon cards, video game crates, and actual gambling "game" that those same content creators steer people towards.

I am all for people spending their money how they please, but I think we are dealing with exposure risk at too young of an age which I don't think was possible before internet era.

Interesting perspective, thanks for that.
Hope people have parents in their lives that teach them well enough in their youth.

[callitwhatyouwant]

I too used to play online poker and though it wasn't for a living I was at times making more money from poker than I did from work. Poker is a different beast involving a different skill set and it's the only form of "gambling" where you have so much more control and don't have to deal with the house, other than to pay them for the privilege of their facility or their bandwidth hosting the game.

I also used to sports bet quite a bit and I suck at it. Most people suck at it but won't admit it. Here is my long haul opinion about sports betting. If you can afford it and want to bet a game or a parlay on occasion, go for it. If you think you are going to be James Holzhauer and do this long haul for a living and make millions, you won't. Over the long run chances are astronomical that you will lose more than you win. Anyone that says otherwise is lying. You are also seeing more and more stories like today with the NBA and the Mob. I'm not cynical enough to think the entire deal is rigged but I'm also not dumb enough (true story) to think that shennanigans don't happen from time to time.

I did online poker when pokerstars was a thing and legit it was funding my expenditures in high school (i know i know i was too young). But it is a different skill and back then it was easy to make money as long as you knew what you were doing and stuck to your guns. I literally got started by just selling a million fake chips for 15 bucks. I also won a couple of this 8000 free to join tourneys. Anyways, at one point I was a couple grand up and never had to put in a debit card lol. It was silly. So many people were playing it in high school that I would just sell 20 dollars of poker stars money for 40 dollars of real cash. Had like 5 people who were coming to me every other day it seemed like after they would lose it.

Anyways, I wish poker was still legal online. I brought it up because I don't know how that can be illegal but you can have multiple easy prop bets going on your phone. In my opinion Gambling should be 100 percent legal. But there should be limits on what you actually can bet on when it comes to sports. To me the only thing you should be able to bet on is the W/L. Individual statistic prop bets are ridiculous. If it's not somethin random like a coin flip or something like that it shouldn't be allowed. Too many ways to cheat the system. GRANTED, I heard a really good point. It's a lot easier to catch this stuff today because there is too much data and a ton of money going into it so they are tracking those anomalies. When it was illegal and the data wasn't being captured, it probably was easier to pull off some of this stuff. We just never heard about it.

[AtillaTheBlue1]

its not just prop bets

and when fbi busted temple, they said there are MANY more incidents they are investigating. and were seeing them weekly.

nba tried to hide the rozier stuff, but fbi made their findings.



imagine making 3 mil a year, and risking it all for your buddy to make 12K


also, the nba, which many claimed was rigged, really looks bad.

[George Zipp]

its not just prop bets

and when fbi busted temple, they said there are MANY more incidents they are investigating. and were seeing them weekly.

nba tried to hide the rozier stuff, but fbi made their findings.



imagine making 3 mil a year, and risking it all for your buddy to make 12K


also, the nba, which many claimed was rigged, really looks bad.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. I don't know how often people will get busted but I'm cynical enough to believe this is widespread and not some isolated thing.

Anyone follow tennis at all? You should read about the vitriol and hate players, especially women, get after losing matches. Betters will attack them on socials and it's not just "you stink." Nope, much more "you should get cancer and then set your kids on fire and kill yourself and I'm going to kill your family." When you post that directly to a professional athlete over a lost bet, it's probably time to take a step back and reevaluate your life.