How soon after World Series will Bloom make his first trade ?

[ramfandan]

do I assume correctly that he can talk trade with other GMs now but just not pull the trigger until after the WS?

From what I know birds' they can "talk" all they want at any time.

BUT

MLB forbids trades for players on a 40-man roster during the playoffs.

Is it actually forbidden or just considered poor taste?

Forbidden by MLB..... no trades of players on the 40 man until the day after the end of the WS.

Can they be worked in the background, just not announced until after the WS?

It's my understanding you can discuss players and potential trades but cannot finalize any deal .

[ramfandan]

My guess is he uses the Winter Meetings to have serious discussions and follow up on any groundwork he's laid up to that point. Maybe a deal then or shortly after.

Sounds doable especially for the Arenado , Gray , and/ or Contreras deals. Those 3 will probably take time since bigger bucks involved in monies being eaten by the Cardnals to trade them . Gray should have a few suitors as he is solid rotation experienced pitcher and those are in demand by several teams especially those contending type . With Sonny they will like his ability but they need the Cardinals to 'eat the right amount of $$$' so he is worth the price to them.

[rockondlouie]

do I assume correctly that he can talk trade with other GMs now but just not pull the trigger until after the WS?

From what I know birds' they can "talk" all they want at any time.

BUT

MLB forbids trades for players on a 40-man roster during the playoffs.

Is it actually forbidden or just considered poor taste?

Forbidden by MLB..... no trades of players on the 40 man until the day after the end of the WS.

Can they be worked in the background, just not announced until after the WS?

Good question

I'd think since they can discuss players at any time, then they likely can at least set the table and have a framework in place just not the final details.

Likely have to wait till the day after the WS ends to "dot the i's and cross the t's" to avoid being in hot water w/MLB.

[ramfandan]

do I assume correctly that he can talk trade with other GMs now but just not pull the trigger until after the WS?

From what I know birds' they can "talk" all they want at any time.

BUT

MLB forbids trades for players on a 40-man roster during the playoffs.

Is it actually forbidden or just considered poor taste?

Forbidden by MLB..... no trades of players on the 40 man until the day after the end of the WS.

Can they be worked in the background, just not announced until after the WS?

Good question

I'd think since they can discuss players at any time, then they likely can at least set the table and have a framework in place just not the final details.

Likely have to wait till the day after the WS ends to "dot the i's and cross the t's" to avoid being in hot water w/MLB.

Correct ! For Chaim , there is only one i to dot. No t’s to cross in Chaim nor Bloom !

[82birds]

My guess is he uses the Winter Meetings to have serious discussions and follow up on any groundwork he's laid up to that point. Maybe a deal then or shortly after.

but..I can't wait that long.

[Ozziesfan41]

My bet is there are already a lot of deals in the air that might be finalized after the WS. No reason to wait. That was last years mistake. Holding Fedde and Helsley when their value was at it's peak to appease the people who still thought they could contend in 2025.

+1 it was the dumbest move mo made in the off season was keeping fedde and helsley. Helsely had a down season from the season before lowering his trade value since he had only two months of control months left and wasn’t as effective and fedde was awful and his value just completely tanked. Hopefully bloom won’t hold onto players like Gorman until their value is near zero like mo did with Carlson

[82birds]

My bet is there are already a lot of deals in the air that might be finalized after the WS. No reason to wait. That was last years mistake. Holding Fedde and Helsley when their value was at it's peak to appease the people who still thought they could contend in 2025.

+1 it was the dumbest move mo made in the off season was keeping fedde and helsley. Helsely had a down season from the season before lowering his trade value since he had only two months of control months left and wasn’t as effective and fedde was awful and his value just completely tanked. Hopefully bloom won’t hold onto players like Gorman until their value is near zero like mo did with Carlson

hopefully Chaim doesn't do a LOT OF THINGS Mo did

[Ozziesfan41]

My bet is there are already a lot of deals in the air that might be finalized after the WS. No reason to wait. That was last years mistake. Holding Fedde and Helsley when their value was at it's peak to appease the people who still thought they could contend in 2025.

+1 it was the dumbest move mo made in the off season was keeping fedde and helsley. Helsely had a down season from the season before lowering his trade value since he had only two months of control months left and wasn’t as effective and fedde was awful and his value just completely tanked. Hopefully bloom won’t hold onto players like Gorman until their value is near zero like mo did with Carlson

hopefully Chaim doesn't do a LOT OF THINGS Mo did

+1000

[ramfandan]

My bet is there are already a lot of deals in the air that might be finalized after the WS. No reason to wait. That was last years mistake. Holding Fedde and Helsley when their value was at it's peak to appease the people who still thought they could contend in 2025.

+1 it was the dumbest move mo made in the off season was keeping fedde and helsley. Helsely had a down season from the season before lowering his trade value since he had only two months of control months left and wasn’t as effective and fedde was awful and his value just completely tanked. Hopefully bloom won’t hold onto players like Gorman until their value is near zero like mo did with Carlson

hopefully Chaim doesn't do a LOT OF THINGS Mo did

+1000

+ 1,000,000

[Talkin' Baseball]

I'm convinced there will be many transactions for the Cardinals, but it just isn't going to happen quickly. There are several reasons that things don't usually get rolling until the Winter Meetings (this year Dec 8-11). Teams want to know who all is on the market. You already know who the free agents will be, but by the Winter Meetings you know which options are exercised, who is Rule 5 protected, who is non-tendered.

Even if teams are talking now, they want to explore and see who else is out there and what they cost, whether that be money, or talent. The types of free agents that the Cardinals might sign will not be high priced. They will wait to see if that is the best offer they will get. Can they get more money, more years, a better team?

If something gets done early, it might be a minor deal to re-arrange our roster to make room, or someone else doing the same. December. That's when things will start to move.

[Talkin' Baseball]

I'm convinced there will be many transactions for the Cardinals, but it just isn't going to happen quickly. There are several reasons that things don't usually get rolling until the Winter Meetings (this year Dec 8-11). Teams want to know who all is on the market. You already know who the free agents will be, but by the Winter Meetings you know which options are exercised, who is Rule 5 protected, who is non-tendered.

Even if teams are talking now, they want to explore and see who else is out there and what they cost, whether that be money, or talent. The types of free agents that the Cardinals might sign will not be high priced. They will wait to see if that is the best offer they will get. Can they get more money, more years, a better team?

If something gets done early, it might be a minor deal to re-arrange our roster to make room, or someone else doing the same. December. That's when things will start to move.

Maybe by Christmas you'll be ready to renew your season tickets.

[ramfandan]

Would think the Hot Stove will get a lot of attention if we start reading / hearing stories titled :

Teams interested in Donovan .. Bloom listening to offers

Cardinals in discussions on possible blockbuster deal

Bloom finalizing deal on Arenado

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

Would think the Hot Stove will get a lot of attention if we start reading / hearing stories titled :

Teams interested in Donovan .. Bloom listening to offers

Cardinals in discussions on possible blockbuster deal

Bloom finalizing deal on Arenado

I would be happy with one of these.

[82birds]

Would think the Hot Stove will get a lot of attention if we start reading / hearing stories titled :

Teams interested in Donovan .. Bloom listening to offers

Cardinals in discussions on possible blockbuster deal

Bloom finalizing deal on Arenado

[Carp4Cy]

My bet is there are already a lot of deals in the air that might be finalized after the WS. No reason to wait. That was last years mistake. Holding Fedde and Helsley when their value was at it's peak to appease the people who still thought they could contend in 2025.

Crazy thing is that if we Had traded Fedde we actually would Have competed this year. And if we had gotten an Edman level player back in return to play OF, we probably win 88 games.

[JuanAgosto]

My guess is he uses the Winter Meetings to have serious discussions and follow up on any groundwork he's laid up to that point. Maybe a deal then or shortly after.

but..I can't wait that long.

Im with you. Start the trading ASAP! Fast and furious!