CardMUfan wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025 05:20 am
He will probably be a non-tendered candidate.
ZERO chance of that happening.
And yes bully, he's definitely still got trade value but it definitely lowers it.
6-12 months:
Full recovery, with possible return to high-impact sports
-Cleveland Clinic
Given Noots age and being a well conditioned athlete, I'd put it closer to the 6 months.
I don't know how much value he has.
Who the hell would want him?
He isn't that good and now both feet are (bleep).
All 29 teams take a hard pass, watch.
Or he's a throw in like some suggested.
CardMUfan wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025 05:20 am
He will probably be a non-tendered candidate.
ZERO chance of that happening.
And yes bully, he's definitely still got trade value but it definitely lowers it.
6-12 months:
Full recovery, with possible return to high-impact sports
-Cleveland Clinic
Given Noots age and being a well conditioned athlete, I'd put it closer to the 6 months.
I don't know how much value he has.
Who the hell would want him?
He isn't that good and now both feet are (bleep).
All 29 teams take a hard pass, watch.
Or he's a throw in like some suggested.
He certainly won't bring back a top prospect in a solo deal but as a PIECE (not a throw-in) attached to S. Gray or NADO the return could be good as long as BDWJr chips in some money.
And it's just not true Bully that he "isn't that good".
Prior to 2025 when we now know he was playing in pain, from 2021 - 2024 he slashed:
.246 .348 .425 .774
and posted a 115 OPS+ which makes him a 15% above major league average hitter.
At 28 yrs old he's also a solid OFer, baserunner and makes little money ($2.95M in 2025).
I get the frustration but the numbers show he's got value.
CardMUfan wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025 05:20 am
He will probably be a non-tendered candidate.
ZERO chance of that happening.
And yes bully, he's definitely still got trade value but it definitely lowers it.
6-12 months:
Full recovery, with possible return to high-impact sports
-Cleveland Clinic
Given Noots age and being a well conditioned athlete, I'd put it closer to the 6 months.
If this timeline is accurate, it probably does make him untradeable this offseason. That's too bad because it sure needed to happen. You adjust, and go on. Best case scenario, he comes back sometime in the first half of the season and rebuilds some value. Who knows, we may get more for him if that scenario plays out than if he was traded now.
Hopefully he's ready for a rehab assignment in April.
But to be honest TB looking at our OF I might just keep Noot if I'm C. Bloom, w/o Noot that's one horrible looking OF.
Like you said, best move may be to keep him and see how he looks at the midseason trading deadline.
Then make the move if you want to deal him.
With Noot, it’s also one horrible looking OF. Noot doesn’t make it look much better. In fact, unlike the rug in the Big Lebowski, Noot in no way, shape or form ties the OF together.
For sure but a really horrible looking OF w/o him!
Noot does indeed make it look better GF, sorry but the stats show it:
Prior to 2025 when we now know he was playing in pain, from 2021 - 2024 he slashed:
.246 .348 .425 .774
and posted a 115 OPS+ which makes him a 15% above major league average hitter.
At 28 yrs old he's also a solid OFer, baserunner and makes little money ($2.95M in 2025).
I get being frustrated w/him but to claim he doesn't make that OF w/him better is just plain wrong.
CardMUfan wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025 05:20 am
He will probably be a non-tendered candidate.
ZERO chance of that happening.
And yes bully, he's definitely still got trade value but it definitely lowers it.
6-12 months:
Full recovery, with possible return to high-impact sports
-Cleveland Clinic
Given Noots age and being a well conditioned athlete, I'd put it closer to the 6 months.
If this timeline is accurate, it probably does make him untradeable this offseason. That's too bad because it sure needed to happen. You adjust, and go on. Best case scenario, he comes back sometime in the first half of the season and rebuilds some value. Who knows, we may get more for him if that scenario plays out than if he was traded now.
Hopefully he's ready for a rehab assignment in April.
But to be honest TB looking at our OF I might just keep Noot if I'm C. Bloom, w/o Noot that's one horrible looking OF.
Like you said, best move may be to keep him and see how he looks at the midseason trading deadline.
Then make the move if you want to deal him.
With Noot, it’s also one horrible looking OF. Noot doesn’t make it look much better. In fact, unlike the rug in the Big Lebowski, Noot in no way, shape or form ties the OF together.
For sure but a really horrible looking OF w/o him!
Noot does indeed make it look better GF, sorry but the stats show it:
Prior to 2025 when we now know he was playing in pain, from 2021 - 2024 he slashed:
.246 .348 .425 .774
and posted a 115 OPS+ which makes him a 15% above major league average hitter.
At 28 yrs old he's also a solid OFer, baserunner and makes little money ($2.95M in 2025).
I get being frustrated w/him but to claim he doesn't make that OF w/him better is just plain wrong.
Sorry to disagree. Nootbaar is one of the worst base runners I've ever seen, no instinct or even common sense. And he's not nearly as fast as he apparently thinks he is.
He's due to get over $5 million in arbitration, and he has to be tendered in Nov, I think. So who's gonna be willing to take a guy with that salary who might well be hobbled for part, most or all of the season?
Non-tender candidate, imo.
CardMUfan wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025 05:20 am
He will probably be a non-tendered candidate.
ZERO chance of that happening.
And yes bully, he's definitely still got trade value but it definitely lowers it.
6-12 months:
Full recovery, with possible return to high-impact sports
-Cleveland Clinic
Given Noots age and being a well conditioned athlete, I'd put it closer to the 6 months.
If this timeline is accurate, it probably does make him untradeable this offseason. That's too bad because it sure needed to happen. You adjust, and go on. Best case scenario, he comes back sometime in the first half of the season and rebuilds some value. Who knows, we may get more for him if that scenario plays out than if he was traded now.
Hopefully he's ready for a rehab assignment in April.
But to be honest TB looking at our OF I might just keep Noot if I'm C. Bloom, w/o Noot that's one horrible looking OF.
Like you said, best move may be to keep him and see how he looks at the midseason trading deadline.
Then make the move if you want to deal him.
With Noot, it’s also one horrible looking OF. Noot doesn’t make it look much better. In fact, unlike the rug in the Big Lebowski, Noot in no way, shape or form ties the OF together.
For sure but a really horrible looking OF w/o him!
Noot does indeed make it look better GF, sorry but the stats show it:
Prior to 2025 when we now know he was playing in pain, from 2021 - 2024 he slashed:
.246 .348 .425 .774
and posted a 115 OPS+ which makes him a 15% above major league average hitter.
At 28 yrs old he's also a solid OFer, baserunner and makes little money ($2.95M in 2025).
I get being frustrated w/him but to claim he doesn't make that OF w/him better is just plain wrong.
Sorry to disagree. Nootbaar is one of the worst base runners I've ever seen, no instinct or even common sense. And he's not nearly as fast as he apparently thinks he is.
He's due to get over $5 million in arbitration, and he has to be tendered in Nov, I think. So who's gonna be willing to take a guy with that salary who might well be hobbled for part, most or all of the season?
Non-tender candidate, imo.
No problem, always respect opinions okcfan.
Even w/the two bad heels last season Noot was slightly below being a league average baserunner, prior years he was closer to or above average. But you're right he's not the fastest baserunner w/a sprint speed of 27 Ft/s.
We need more info on what type of surgery he had as the recovery time differs as does the patients physical condition (and Noot being an athlete has to be in tip-top condition).
Have to disagree though on the non-tender, just don't see that happening.
He could be ready for a re-hab assignment by late April if he's closer to the 6 months recovery time.
Best option (IMO) is to have that happen, get him back sometime in May and then re-access trade options before the deadline.
CardMUfan wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025 05:20 am
He will probably be a non-tendered candidate.
ZERO chance of that happening.
And yes bully, he's definitely still got trade value but it definitely lowers it.
6-12 months:
Full recovery, with possible return to high-impact sports
-Cleveland Clinic
Given Noots age and being a well conditioned athlete, I'd put it closer to the 6 months.
If this timeline is accurate, it probably does make him untradeable this offseason. That's too bad because it sure needed to happen. You adjust, and go on. Best case scenario, he comes back sometime in the first half of the season and rebuilds some value. Who knows, we may get more for him if that scenario plays out than if he was traded now.
Hopefully he's ready for a rehab assignment in April.
But to be honest TB looking at our OF I might just keep Noot if I'm C. Bloom, w/o Noot that's one horrible looking OF.
Like you said, best move may be to keep him and see how he looks at the midseason trading deadline.
Then make the move if you want to deal him.
With Noot, it’s also one horrible looking OF. Noot doesn’t make it look much better. In fact, unlike the rug in the Big Lebowski, Noot in no way, shape or form ties the OF together.
For sure but a really horrible looking OF w/o him!
Noot does indeed make it look better GF, sorry but the stats show it:
Prior to 2025 when we now know he was playing in pain, from 2021 - 2024 he slashed:
So before, “all he needs is a full season to show what he can do”.
In essentially a full season he stunk in 2025.
.246 .348 .425 .774
Yay. None of that translated into actual production.
and posted a 115 OPS+ which makes him a 15% above major league average hitter.
See above.
At 28 yrs old he's also a solid OFer, baserunner and makes little money ($2.95M in 2025).
lol. He’s an ok outfielder but he’s not smart. He is a moron on the basepaths. And now he’s gonna make more money than last year.
I get being frustrated w/him but to claim he doesn't make that OF w/him better is just plain wrong.
Maybe he’ll become a good player but the Cardinals have now wasted 4 years waiting for it.
CardMUfan wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025 05:20 am
He will probably be a non-tendered candidate.
ZERO chance of that happening.
And yes bully, he's definitely still got trade value but it definitely lowers it.
6-12 months:
Full recovery, with possible return to high-impact sports
-Cleveland Clinic
Given Noots age and being a well conditioned athlete, I'd put it closer to the 6 months.
If this timeline is accurate, it probably does make him untradeable this offseason. That's too bad because it sure needed to happen. You adjust, and go on. Best case scenario, he comes back sometime in the first half of the season and rebuilds some value. Who knows, we may get more for him if that scenario plays out than if he was traded now.
Hopefully he's ready for a rehab assignment in April.
But to be honest TB looking at our OF I might just keep Noot if I'm C. Bloom, w/o Noot that's one horrible looking OF.
Like you said, best move may be to keep him and see how he looks at the midseason trading deadline.
Then make the move if you want to deal him.
With Noot, it’s also one horrible looking OF. Noot doesn’t make it look much better. In fact, unlike the rug in the Big Lebowski, Noot in no way, shape or form ties the OF together.
For sure but a really horrible looking OF w/o him!
Noot does indeed make it look better GF, sorry but the stats show it:
Prior to 2025 when we now know he was playing in pain, from 2021 - 2024 he slashed:
So before, “all he needs is a full season to show what he can do”.
In essentially a full season he stunk in 2025.
.246 .348 .425 .774
Yay. None of that translated into actual production.
and posted a 115 OPS+ which makes him a 15% above major league average hitter.
See above.
At 28 yrs old he's also a solid OFer, baserunner and makes little money ($2.95M in 2025).
lol. He’s an ok outfielder but he’s not smart. He is a moron on the basepaths. And now he’s gonna make more money than last year.
I get being frustrated w/him but to claim he doesn't make that OF w/him better is just plain wrong.
Maybe he’ll become a good player but the Cardinals have now wasted 4 years waiting for it.
Cut the cord.
Mo had the 5yr MLB plan to show him how terrible the player was. He was always ahead of his time…..
The Dodgers will give the Cardinals some low prospect for him, and he will be valuable to them once healthy. Similar to the Tommy Edman situation.........
Okay, I'll admit I think Noot is overrated by the sabre gurus, launch angle, exit velocity, etc. (And those that just love to shout NOOOOOOOOT). I still think he could be a decent player. Apparently will have no trade value until the trade deadline at earliest.
My problem, we had basically 0 chance of post season play, no less success, but we have 3 players that needed surgery, but waited until the season was over. Supposedly, Noot's injury was known for quite a while. Not 100% certain of the lengths that Donovan's and Herrera's injuries were known. Call it a year and get the surgeries done. Just seems like another screw up by upper management.
12xu wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 07:01 am
The Dodgers will give the Cardinals some low prospect for him, and he will be valuable to them once healthy. Similar to the Tommy Edman situation.........
I thought Noot was a fit for them at the trade deadline and still sort of do, but now that we are to the offseason there are more options available to them and think they will aim higher. Think Jarren Duran or Kyle Tucker. The only reason they might go for someone like Noot instead of them is that they have 3-4 very highly rated OF prospects and Nootbaar could be a bridge to one of them.
swatski wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025 15:17 pm
So you’re telling me Mo may have held on to him just long enough for him to become untradeable. I’m shocked, I tell you, shocked!
He is still torpedoing this franchise in absentia and will continue to do so for a while.
Cardinalss4Ever wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 09:31 am
Okay, I'll admit I think Noot is overrated by the sabre gurus, launch angle, exit velocity, etc. (And those that just love to shout NOOOOOOOOT). I still think he could be a decent player. Apparently will have no trade value until the trade deadline at earliest.
My problem, we had basically 0 chance of post season play, no less success, but we have 3 players that needed surgery, but waited until the season was over. Supposedly, Noot's injury was known for quite a while. Not 100% certain of the lengths that Donovan's and Herrera's injuries were known. Call it a year and get the surgeries done. Just seems like another screw up by upper management.
Not that I agree with this reasoning just suggesting it.
Looking at it from LN's POV he has one career with a relatively small window. Coming into the season he needed
to prove his ability to play a full season and get beyond the 100-game player label. He did that and we may have seen
a player that was more conservative in his play. Less diving, running into walls etc.
The Haglund's, along with his response to Haglund's is dynamic. His treatment choice of surgery is discretionary.
That may have changed as the season progressed all while wanting to stay on the field more.
