The Dodgers were given an unfair advantage . . .

[CCard]

Because they have the best player in baseball.

Because they are allowed under the structure of baseball to defer huge amounts of money. Thus making players that want to player there be able to have their cake and eat it too. The Dodgers have taken advantage of a loophole in the system and other light spending teams are loathe to do that. The cards could have had Snell or some of the other players around baseball but were unwilling to lay out the cash to do it. They'd rather cry poor and let the fans suffer through mediocre players. I don't blame the Dodgers for doing what they can to win, I blame baseball for not having the rules set to stop payroll deferment and for the cheaper owners for going along and not ponying up.

[makesnosense]

Not given. Bought and paid for.

Had Newt Bar delivered us Ohtani he would have been thoroughly investigated for that gambling.

The bookie who took Ohtani's money via the interpreter (it is rather conveniently - and certainly fortuitously - claimed that 16M dollars changed hands without Ohtani or others noticing that 8 years of salary under his current contract was missing) stated in an interview that of the hundreds of people who participated in his illegal gambling ring, he estimated roughly 10 were MLB players.
Weird how there does not appear to have been any investigation of that.....I wonder who they were???
Maybe he was telling the truth, maybe not.
We will never know.
But hats off to Ohtani for not noticing that 8 years of his salary was missing.
Most folks would be aware of that, but it was actually quite prudent of him to not pay attention.
Allowed him to concentrate only on playing baseball.
Peculiar that his agent, accountant, financial advisor, and tax preparer all somehow avoided knowledge of the 16m missing dollars as well.
Not exactly high quality service Ohtani was receiving.
I suppose they are all much more careful now.
Maybe they all forgot how to count money.
After all, Sammy Sosa forgot how to speak English....
None the less, I am glad he was cleared.
That is good for business...ummm...good for baseball.
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[quote=JohnnyMO post_id=13168984 time=<a href="tel:1760829288">1760829288</a> user_id=338198]
The NBA tweaks rules all the time both written and unwritten. Just watch a game from the 90’s vs a modern game.

The NFL does the same thing.

MLB didn’t have any legit two way players before. When one appeared they had to figure out how to handle it and they did. Nothing wrong with that.

Ruth was the greatest 2 way player in history.
Better pitcher and better hitter than Ohtani.
MLB did not change the rules with the specific intent of giving just him an advantage.
But they certainly did for Ohtani.
By the way, EVERY team has multiple two-way and three-way players.
Ohtani is the ONLY one to have a rule created for his own personal benefit.

They changed numerous rules to benefit Ruth. The outlawed the spitter and other trick pitches. The started using a new ball when one out of play instead of using one or two balls a game. And every team does not have two and three way players( whatever that is)

[Melville]

Not given. Bought and paid for.

Had Newt Bar delivered us Ohtani he would have been thoroughly investigated for that gambling.

The bookie who took Ohtani's money via the interpreter (it is rather conveniently - and certainly fortuitously - claimed that 16M dollars changed hands without Ohtani or others noticing that 8 years of salary under his current contract was missing) stated in an interview that of the hundreds of people who participated in his illegal gambling ring, he estimated roughly 10 were MLB players.
Weird how there does not appear to have been any investigation of that.....I wonder who they were???
Maybe he was telling the truth, maybe not.
We will never know.
But hats off to Ohtani for not noticing that 8 years of his salary was missing.
Most folks would be aware of that, but it was actually quite prudent of him to not pay attention.
Allowed him to concentrate only on playing baseball.
Peculiar that his agent, accountant, financial advisor, and tax preparer all somehow avoided knowledge of the 16m missing dollars as well.
Not exactly high quality service Ohtani was receiving.
I suppose they are all much more careful now.
Maybe they all forgot how to count money.
After all, Sammy Sosa forgot how to speak English....
None the less, I am glad he was cleared.
That is good for business...ummm...good for baseball.
[/

[quote=JohnnyMO post_id=13168984 time=<a href="tel:1760829288">1760829288</a> user_id=338198]
The NBA tweaks rules all the time both written and unwritten. Just watch a game from the 90’s vs a modern game.

The NFL does the same thing.

MLB didn’t have any legit two way players before. When one appeared they had to figure out how to handle it and they did. Nothing wrong with that.

Ruth was the greatest 2 way player in history.
Better pitcher and better hitter than Ohtani.
MLB did not change the rules with the specific intent of giving just him an advantage.
But they certainly did for Ohtani.
By the way, EVERY team has multiple two-way and three-way players.
Ohtani is the ONLY one to have a rule created for his own personal benefit.

They changed numerous rules to benefit Ruth. The outlawed the spitter and other trick pitches. The started using a new ball when one out of play instead of using one or two balls a game. And every team does not have two and three way players( whatever that is)

No rule was ever changed to benefit Ruth specifically.
The Ohtani Rule was put in place to benefit Ohtani alone.
And yes, very team has 2-way or 3-way players.
Ohtani pitches and hits homeruns.
For STL, Scott plays elite CF defense and is their best base runner.
For Seattle, Raleigh is a superior catcher and their best HR hitter.
For KC, Witt is a 4-way player - best glove, best baserunner, best power hitter, best contact hitter.
Let's give every 2-way, 3-way, and 4-way player a special rule allowing them to stay in games after they are removed.

[Melville]

The player/DH rule existed in college and HS before MLB adopted it. Now, did they implement it because of Ohtani? Of course.

Baseball already has a salary cap, they just call it the CBT. Teams in all sports can exceed their caps, and there are many loopholes in all of them, but the penalties for doing so can be pretty severe. Raise the penalty, institute an international draft (something they kicked the can down the road last time) and increase revenue sharing (which the union also opposes) and avert a lockout.

"Now, did they implement it because of Ohtani? Of course."
Truth, obviously.
Nothing else need be said.
The Dodgers do indeed have an unfair advantage.

[Ozziesfan41]

Because they have the best player in baseball.

Who MLB changes the rules for

[makesnosense]

Not given. Bought and paid for.

Had Newt Bar delivered us Ohtani he would have been thoroughly investigated for that gambling.

The bookie who took Ohtani's money via the interpreter (it is rather conveniently - and certainly fortuitously - claimed that 16M dollars changed hands without Ohtani or others noticing that 8 years of salary under his current contract was missing) stated in an interview that of the hundreds of people who participated in his illegal gambling ring, he estimated roughly 10 were MLB players.
Weird how there does not appear to have been any investigation of that.....I wonder who they were???
Maybe he was telling the truth, maybe not.
We will never know.
But hats off to Ohtani for not noticing that 8 years of his salary was missing.
Most folks would be aware of that, but it was actually quite prudent of him to not pay attention.
Allowed him to concentrate only on playing baseball.
Peculiar that his agent, accountant, financial advisor, and tax preparer all somehow avoided knowledge of the 16m missing dollars as well.
Not exactly high quality service Ohtani was receiving.
I suppose they are all much more careful now.
Maybe they all forgot how to count money.
After all, Sammy Sosa forgot how to speak English....
None the less, I am glad he was cleared.
That is good for business...ummm...good for baseball.
[/

[quote=JohnnyMO post_id=13168984 time=<a href="tel:1760829288">1760829288</a> user_id=338198]
The NBA tweaks rules all the time both written and unwritten. Just watch a game from the 90’s vs a modern game.

The NFL does the same thing.

MLB didn’t have any legit two way players before. When one appeared they had to figure out how to handle it and they did. Nothing wrong with that.

Ruth was the greatest 2 way player in history.
Better pitcher and better hitter than Ohtani.
MLB did not change the rules with the specific intent of giving just him an advantage.
But they certainly did for Ohtani.
By the way, EVERY team has multiple two-way and three-way players.
Ohtani is the ONLY one to have a rule created for his own personal benefit.

They changed numerous rules to benefit Ruth. The outlawed the spitter and other trick pitches. The started using a new ball when one out of play instead of using one or two balls a game. And every team does not have two and three way players( whatever that is)

No rule was ever changed to benefit Ruth specifically.
The Ohtani Rule was put in place to benefit Ohtani alone.
And yes, very team has 2-way or 3-way players.
Ohtani pitches and hits homeruns.
For STL, Scott plays elite CF defense and is their best base runner.
For Seattle, Raleigh is a superior catcher and their best HR hitter.
For KC, Witt is a 4-way player - best glove, best baserunner, best power hitter, best contact hitter.
Let's give every 2-way, 3-way, and 4-way player a special rule allowing them to stay in games after they are removed.

Every player in the league can pitch and dh and then stay in the game as the dh. However since Othani is the only multi position player that pitches and hits you see it as just an Othani rule. And if you believe the rules were changed to only benefit Pthani then logically you understand the rule changes in 1920 to benefit Ruth specifically .

[Ozziesfan41]

Not given. Bought and paid for.

Had Newt Bar delivered us Ohtani he would have been thoroughly investigated for that gambling.

The bookie who took Ohtani's money via the interpreter (it is rather conveniently - and certainly fortuitously - claimed that 16M dollars changed hands without Ohtani or others noticing that 8 years of salary under his current contract was missing) stated in an interview that of the hundreds of people who participated in his illegal gambling ring, he estimated roughly 10 were MLB players.
Weird how there does not appear to have been any investigation of that.....I wonder who they were???
Maybe he was telling the truth, maybe not.
We will never know.
But hats off to Ohtani for not noticing that 8 years of his salary was missing.
Most folks would be aware of that, but it was actually quite prudent of him to not pay attention.
Allowed him to concentrate only on playing baseball.
Peculiar that his agent, accountant, financial advisor, and tax preparer all somehow avoided knowledge of the 16m missing dollars as well.
Not exactly high quality service Ohtani was receiving.
I suppose they are all much more careful now.
Maybe they all forgot how to count money.
After all, Sammy Sosa forgot how to speak English....
None the less, I am glad he was cleared.
That is good for business...ummm...good for baseball.
[/

[quote=JohnnyMO post_id=13168984 time=<a href="tel:1760829288">1760829288</a> user_id=338198]
The NBA tweaks rules all the time both written and unwritten. Just watch a game from the 90’s vs a modern game.

The NFL does the same thing.

MLB didn’t have any legit two way players before. When one appeared they had to figure out how to handle it and they did. Nothing wrong with that.

Ruth was the greatest 2 way player in history.
Better pitcher and better hitter than Ohtani.
MLB did not change the rules with the specific intent of giving just him an advantage.
But they certainly did for Ohtani.
By the way, EVERY team has multiple two-way and three-way players.
Ohtani is the ONLY one to have a rule created for his own personal benefit.

They changed numerous rules to benefit Ruth. The outlawed the spitter and other trick pitches. The started using a new ball when one out of play instead of using one or two balls a game. And every team does not have two and three way players( whatever that is)

No rule was ever changed to benefit Ruth specifically.
The Ohtani Rule was put in place to benefit Ohtani alone.
And yes, very team has 2-way or 3-way players.
Ohtani pitches and hits homeruns.
For STL, Scott plays elite CF defense and is their best base runner.
For Seattle, Raleigh is a superior catcher and their best HR hitter.
For KC, Witt is a 4-way player - best glove, best baserunner, best power hitter, best contact hitter.
Let's give every 2-way, 3-way, and 4-way player a special rule allowing them to stay in games after they are removed.

Every player in the league can pitch and dh and then stay in the game as the dh. However since Othani is the only multi position player that pitches and hits you see it as just an Othani rule. And if you believe the rules were changed to only benefit Pthani then logically you understand the rule changes in 1920 to benefit Ruth specifically .

It is the ohtani rule. They made up a rule for him if he wasn’t playing it wouldn’t be a rule so yes it’s the ohtani rule made because of him

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The NBA tweaks rules all the time both written and unwritten. Just watch a game from the 90’s vs a modern game.

The NFL does the same thing.

MLB didn’t have any legit two way players before. When one appeared they had to figure out how to handle it and they did. Nothing wrong with that.

Amen. MLB made an exception to a rule that needed none until an exceptional player like Ohtani came along. That was an exception that had to be made and was. Rules are made to be broken, and I've encountered rigid people in professional life who have had no clue as to when to break them or allow them to be broken and therefore were not as good at what we did as those who knew that color, nuance and individuality have their place.

[JohnnyMO]

The player/DH rule existed in college and HS before MLB adopted it. Now, did they implement it because of Ohtani? Of course.

Baseball already has a salary cap, they just call it the CBT. Teams in all sports can exceed their caps, and there are many loopholes in all of them, but the penalties for doing so can be pretty severe. Raise the penalty, institute an international draft (something they kicked the can down the road last time) and increase revenue sharing (which the union also opposes) and avert a lockout.

"Now, did they implement it because of Ohtani? Of course."
Truth, obviously.
Nothing else need be said.
The Dodgers do indeed have an unfair advantage.

If nothing else need be said why did you say more?

[Melville]

Not given. Bought and paid for.

Had Newt Bar delivered us Ohtani he would have been thoroughly investigated for that gambling.

The bookie who took Ohtani's money via the interpreter (it is rather conveniently - and certainly fortuitously - claimed that 16M dollars changed hands without Ohtani or others noticing that 8 years of salary under his current contract was missing) stated in an interview that of the hundreds of people who participated in his illegal gambling ring, he estimated roughly 10 were MLB players.
Weird how there does not appear to have been any investigation of that.....I wonder who they were???
Maybe he was telling the truth, maybe not.
We will never know.
But hats off to Ohtani for not noticing that 8 years of his salary was missing.
Most folks would be aware of that, but it was actually quite prudent of him to not pay attention.
Allowed him to concentrate only on playing baseball.
Peculiar that his agent, accountant, financial advisor, and tax preparer all somehow avoided knowledge of the 16m missing dollars as well.
Not exactly high quality service Ohtani was receiving.
I suppose they are all much more careful now.
Maybe they all forgot how to count money.
After all, Sammy Sosa forgot how to speak English....
None the less, I am glad he was cleared.
That is good for business...ummm...good for baseball.
[/

[quote=JohnnyMO post_id=13168984 time=<a href="tel:1760829288">1760829288</a> user_id=338198]
The NBA tweaks rules all the time both written and unwritten. Just watch a game from the 90’s vs a modern game.

The NFL does the same thing.

MLB didn’t have any legit two way players before. When one appeared they had to figure out how to handle it and they did. Nothing wrong with that.

Ruth was the greatest 2 way player in history.
Better pitcher and better hitter than Ohtani.
MLB did not change the rules with the specific intent of giving just him an advantage.
But they certainly did for Ohtani.
By the way, EVERY team has multiple two-way and three-way players.
Ohtani is the ONLY one to have a rule created for his own personal benefit.

They changed numerous rules to benefit Ruth. The outlawed the spitter and other trick pitches. The started using a new ball when one out of play instead of using one or two balls a game. And every team does not have two and three way players( whatever that is)

No rule was ever changed to benefit Ruth specifically.
The Ohtani Rule was put in place to benefit Ohtani alone.
And yes, very team has 2-way or 3-way players.
Ohtani pitches and hits homeruns.
For STL, Scott plays elite CF defense and is their best base runner.
For Seattle, Raleigh is a superior catcher and their best HR hitter.
For KC, Witt is a 4-way player - best glove, best baserunner, best power hitter, best contact hitter.
Let's give every 2-way, 3-way, and 4-way player a special rule allowing them to stay in games after they are removed.

Every player in the league can pitch and dh and then stay in the game as the dh. However since Othani is the only multi position player that pitches and hits you see it as just an Othani rule. And if you believe the rules were changed to only benefit Pthani then logically you understand the rule changes in 1920 to benefit Ruth specifically .

It is the ohtani rule. They made up a rule for him if he wasn’t playing it wouldn’t be a rule so yes it’s the ohtani rule made because of him

Correct.
The rule was created to benefit Ohtani - and no one else.
Anyone debating otherwise simply isn't being honest.

[Melville]

The NBA tweaks rules all the time both written and unwritten. Just watch a game from the 90’s vs a modern game.

The NFL does the same thing.

MLB didn’t have any legit two way players before. When one appeared they had to figure out how to handle it and they did. Nothing wrong with that.

Amen. MLB made an exception to a rule that needed none until an exceptional player like Ohtani came along. That was an exception that had to be made and was. Rules are made to be broken, and I've encountered rigid people in professional life who have had no clue as to when to break them or allow them to be broken and therefore were not as good at what we did as those who knew that color, nuance and individuality have their place.

So, it was rule that that HAD to be made specifically to benefit ONE player - and put 1199 others at an intentional disadvantage.
Interesting defense on your part.

[Ozziesfan41]

The NBA tweaks rules all the time both written and unwritten. Just watch a game from the 90’s vs a modern game.

The NFL does the same thing.

MLB didn’t have any legit two way players before. When one appeared they had to figure out how to handle it and they did. Nothing wrong with that.

Amen. MLB made an exception to a rule that needed none until an exceptional player like Ohtani came along. That was an exception that had to be made and was. Rules are made to be broken, and I've encountered rigid people in professional life who have had no clue as to when to break them or allow them to be broken and therefore were not as good at what we did as those who knew that color, nuance and individuality have their place.

So, it was rule that that HAD to be made specifically to benefit ONE player - and put 1199 others at an intentional disadvantage.
Interesting defense on your part.

No kidding they’re letting the dodgers have 14 pitchers instead of the allowed 13 that every other team has. I guess next they’ll let ohtani change his place in the lineup and bat any time there’s a player on base just because he’s a special player might as well since they are changing rules for him

[Melville]

The NBA tweaks rules all the time both written and unwritten. Just watch a game from the 90’s vs a modern game.

The NFL does the same thing.

MLB didn’t have any legit two way players before. When one appeared they had to figure out how to handle it and they did. Nothing wrong with that.

Amen. MLB made an exception to a rule that needed none until an exceptional player like Ohtani came along. That was an exception that had to be made and was. Rules are made to be broken, and I've encountered rigid people in professional life who have had no clue as to when to break them or allow them to be broken and therefore were not as good at what we did as those who knew that color, nuance and individuality have their place.

So, it was rule that that HAD to be made specifically to benefit ONE player - and put 1199 others at an intentional disadvantage.
Interesting defense on your part.

No kidding they’re letting the dodgers have 14 pitchers instead of the allowed 13 that every other team has. I guess next they’ll let ohtani change his place in the lineup and bat any time there’s a player on base just because he’s a special player might as well since they are changing rules for him

What you suggest would be no less egregious than the special advantage MLB has already given Ohtani.
It is cheating.
Pure and simple.
The fact that they created a rule to allow it nothing other than sanctioned cheating.
In spirit and intent, it is not one bit different than MLB intentionally permitting players to take steroids for several years.
All about the ratings and the revenue.

[Ozziesfan41]

The NBA tweaks rules all the time both written and unwritten. Just watch a game from the 90’s vs a modern game.

The NFL does the same thing.

MLB didn’t have any legit two way players before. When one appeared they had to figure out how to handle it and they did. Nothing wrong with that.

Amen. MLB made an exception to a rule that needed none until an exceptional player like Ohtani came along. That was an exception that had to be made and was. Rules are made to be broken, and I've encountered rigid people in professional life who have had no clue as to when to break them or allow them to be broken and therefore were not as good at what we did as those who knew that color, nuance and individuality have their place.

So, it was rule that that HAD to be made specifically to benefit ONE player - and put 1199 others at an intentional disadvantage.
Interesting defense on your part.

No kidding they’re letting the dodgers have 14 pitchers instead of the allowed 13 that every other team has. I guess next they’ll let ohtani change his place in the lineup and bat any time there’s a player on base just because he’s a special player might as well since they are changing rules for him

What you suggest would be no less egregious than the special advantage MLB has already given Ohtani.
It is cheating.
Pure and simple.
The fact that they created a rule to allow it nothing other than sanctioned cheating.
In spirit and intent, it is not one bit different than MLB intentionally permitting players to take steroids for several years.
All about the ratings and the revenue.

This is true. They changed the rules to benefit one player and one player only that’s pathetic

[Melville]

The NBA tweaks rules all the time both written and unwritten. Just watch a game from the 90’s vs a modern game.

The NFL does the same thing.

MLB didn’t have any legit two way players before. When one appeared they had to figure out how to handle it and they did. Nothing wrong with that.

Amen. MLB made an exception to a rule that needed none until an exceptional player like Ohtani came along. That was an exception that had to be made and was. Rules are made to be broken, and I've encountered rigid people in professional life who have had no clue as to when to break them or allow them to be broken and therefore were not as good at what we did as those who knew that color, nuance and individuality have their place.

So, it was rule that that HAD to be made specifically to benefit ONE player - and put 1199 others at an intentional disadvantage.
Interesting defense on your part.

No kidding they’re letting the dodgers have 14 pitchers instead of the allowed 13 that every other team has. I guess next they’ll let ohtani change his place in the lineup and bat any time there’s a player on base just because he’s a special player might as well since they are changing rules for him

What you suggest would be no less egregious than the special advantage MLB has already given Ohtani.
It is cheating.
Pure and simple.
The fact that they created a rule to allow it nothing other than sanctioned cheating.
In spirit and intent, it is not one bit different than MLB intentionally permitting players to take steroids for several years.
All about the ratings and the revenue.

This is true. They changed the rules to benefit one player and one player only that’s pathetic

Demonstrating yet again that MLB does not understand its own product - but is pretty good at destroying it.

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It wasn't a huge change in the rules. Players change positions during games all the time. So why shouldn't a pitcher be allowed to become a DH during a game? Herzog every now and then used to put pitchers in LF for a batter or two.