But should you really be trying to rebuild around players that suck a rebuild is usually around young good players not young players that suckbillybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:10 pmI don't understand why anyone would expect anything different. They made it pretty clear that next year will be a rebuild year.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 11:41 am If the starting lineup has Walker, Gorman, Church, and Scott, that offense will suck. And nobody will be going to games or watching on TV after June.
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We're not rebuilding around them. Their runway was last season.This season it's perform or you'll be replaced. But the Cardinals won't be going out and spending money. If they spend anything it will be bringing in pitchers to hopefully flip at the deadline. But no one will stay in the lineup if they aren't performing aside from Wetherholt.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:11 pmBut should you really be trying to rebuild around players that suck a rebuild is usually around young good players not young players that suckbillybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:10 pmI don't understand why anyone would expect anything different. They made it pretty clear that next year will be a rebuild year.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 11:41 am If the starting lineup has Walker, Gorman, Church, and Scott, that offense will suck. And nobody will be going to games or watching on TV after June.
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A rebuild doesn't mean stand pat. I dont expect a huge signing, but there needs to be movement. Running out the same lineup minus Donovan and Nootbaar means you are doing very little.billybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:10 pmI don't understand why anyone would expect anything different. They made it pretty clear that next year will be a rebuild year.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 11:41 am If the starting lineup has Walker, Gorman, Church, and Scott, that offense will suck. And nobody will be going to games or watching on TV after June.
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Yea gave them a runway and sucked now you give them another runway? lol dumb of bloom already starting out. Gorman has had close to 1600 at bats to show how much he sucks now they’re saying let’s give him an even 2000 to see him suck some more. lol just awful managementbillybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:31 pmWe're not rebuilding around them. Their runway was last season.This season it's perform or you'll be replaced. But the Cardinals won't be going out and spending money. If they spend anything it will be bringing in pitchers to hopefully flip at the deadline. But no one will stay in the lineup if they aren't performing aside from Wetherholt.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:11 pmBut should you really be trying to rebuild around players that suck a rebuild is usually around young good players not young players that suckbillybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:10 pmI don't understand why anyone would expect anything different. They made it pretty clear that next year will be a rebuild year.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 11:41 am If the starting lineup has Walker, Gorman, Church, and Scott, that offense will suck. And nobody will be going to games or watching on TV after June.
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That's the outfield ? Great SCOTT ! If so , I mayKeeptheRamsinSTL wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 09:44 amI can't see this being the outfield:billybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 08:37 am SS- Masyn Winn
C- Ivan Herrara
DH- Alec Burleson
1B-Wilson Contreras
2B-JJ Wetherholt
RF- Jordan Walker
3B-Nolan Gorman
LF-Nathan Church
CF- Victor Scott
Michael McGreevy
Matthew Liberatore
Andre Pallante
Kyle Leahy
John Means
RF- Jordan Walker
LF-Nathan Church
CF- Victor Scott
We can't have another season of Walker and Gorman playing a lot. It is time to move on.
be taking my WALKER and shuffling off to CHURCH every morning praying for a change !!
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Unless he has a terrible camp (highly unlikely) JJW will be starting at 2nd base on opening day.billybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:06 pmI disagree. He has to be with the team within the first two weeks of the season to be eligible for the ROY PPI draft pick. He'll break camp with the team.
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I literally said they don't get runway this year. If they don't perform they'll be gone. But Herrera, Burleson and Wetherholt are the only young position players who are currently rebuild players imo. Everyone else will have to earn playing time.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:37 pmYea gave them a runway and sucked now you give them another runway? lol dumb of bloom already starting out. Gorman has had close to 1600 at bats to show how much he sucks now they’re saying let’s give him an even 2000 to see him suck some more. lol just awful managementbillybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:31 pmWe're not rebuilding around them. Their runway was last season.This season it's perform or you'll be replaced. But the Cardinals won't be going out and spending money. If they spend anything it will be bringing in pitchers to hopefully flip at the deadline. But no one will stay in the lineup if they aren't performing aside from Wetherholt.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:11 pmBut should you really be trying to rebuild around players that suck a rebuild is usually around young good players not young players that suckbillybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:10 pmI don't understand why anyone would expect anything different. They made it pretty clear that next year will be a rebuild year.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 11:41 am If the starting lineup has Walker, Gorman, Church, and Scott, that offense will suck. And nobody will be going to games or watching on TV after June.
Re: 2026 opening day lineup
Winn has to earn playing time?billybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:47 pmI literally said they don't get runway this year. If they don't perform they'll be gone. But Herrera, Burleson and Wetherholt are the only young position players who are currently rebuild players imo. Everyone else will have to earn playing time.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:37 pmYea gave them a runway and sucked now you give them another runway? lol dumb of bloom already starting out. Gorman has had close to 1600 at bats to show how much he sucks now they’re saying let’s give him an even 2000 to see him suck some more. lol just awful managementbillybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:31 pmWe're not rebuilding around them. Their runway was last season.This season it's perform or you'll be replaced. But the Cardinals won't be going out and spending money. If they spend anything it will be bringing in pitchers to hopefully flip at the deadline. But no one will stay in the lineup if they aren't performing aside from Wetherholt.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:11 pmBut should you really be trying to rebuild around players that suck a rebuild is usually around young good players not young players that suckbillybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:10 pmI don't understand why anyone would expect anything different. They made it pretty clear that next year will be a rebuild year.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 11:41 am If the starting lineup has Walker, Gorman, Church, and Scott, that offense will suck. And nobody will be going to games or watching on TV after June.
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.310 OBP and a .673 OPS isn't good enough no matter the defense imoCranny wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 13:10 pmWinn has to earn playing time?billybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:47 pmI literally said they don't get runway this year. If they don't perform they'll be gone. But Herrera, Burleson and Wetherholt are the only young position players who are currently rebuild players imo. Everyone else will have to earn playing time.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:37 pmYea gave them a runway and sucked now you give them another runway? lol dumb of bloom already starting out. Gorman has had close to 1600 at bats to show how much he sucks now they’re saying let’s give him an even 2000 to see him suck some more. lol just awful managementbillybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:31 pmWe're not rebuilding around them. Their runway was last season.This season it's perform or you'll be replaced. But the Cardinals won't be going out and spending money. If they spend anything it will be bringing in pitchers to hopefully flip at the deadline. But no one will stay in the lineup if they aren't performing aside from Wetherholt.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:11 pmBut should you really be trying to rebuild around players that suck a rebuild is usually around young good players not young players that suckbillybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:10 pmI don't understand why anyone would expect anything different. They made it pretty clear that next year will be a rebuild year.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 11:41 am If the starting lineup has Walker, Gorman, Church, and Scott, that offense will suck. And nobody will be going to games or watching on TV after June.
Re: 2026 opening day lineup
Whom does he have to beat out?billybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 13:45 pm.310 OBP and a .673 OPS isn't good enough no matter the defense imoCranny wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 13:10 pmWinn has to earn playing time?billybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:47 pmI literally said they don't get runway this year. If they don't perform they'll be gone. But Herrera, Burleson and Wetherholt are the only young position players who are currently rebuild players imo. Everyone else will have to earn playing time.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:37 pmYea gave them a runway and sucked now you give them another runway? lol dumb of bloom already starting out. Gorman has had close to 1600 at bats to show how much he sucks now they’re saying let’s give him an even 2000 to see him suck some more. lol just awful managementbillybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:31 pmWe're not rebuilding around them. Their runway was last season.This season it's perform or you'll be replaced. But the Cardinals won't be going out and spending money. If they spend anything it will be bringing in pitchers to hopefully flip at the deadline. But no one will stay in the lineup if they aren't performing aside from Wetherholt.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:11 pmBut should you really be trying to rebuild around players that suck a rebuild is usually around young good players not young players that suckbillybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:10 pmI don't understand why anyone would expect anything different. They made it pretty clear that next year will be a rebuild year.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 11:41 am If the starting lineup has Walker, Gorman, Church, and Scott, that offense will suck. And nobody will be going to games or watching on TV after June.
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Wetherholt is an above-average to plus defender at short.Cranny wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 13:53 pmWhom does he have to beat out?billybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 13:45 pm.310 OBP and a .673 OPS isn't good enough no matter the defense imoCranny wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 13:10 pmWinn has to earn playing time?billybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:47 pmI literally said they don't get runway this year. If they don't perform they'll be gone. But Herrera, Burleson and Wetherholt are the only young position players who are currently rebuild players imo. Everyone else will have to earn playing time.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:37 pmYea gave them a runway and sucked now you give them another runway? lol dumb of bloom already starting out. Gorman has had close to 1600 at bats to show how much he sucks now they’re saying let’s give him an even 2000 to see him suck some more. lol just awful managementbillybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:31 pmWe're not rebuilding around them. Their runway was last season.This season it's perform or you'll be replaced. But the Cardinals won't be going out and spending money. If they spend anything it will be bringing in pitchers to hopefully flip at the deadline. But no one will stay in the lineup if they aren't performing aside from Wetherholt.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:11 pmBut should you really be trying to rebuild around players that suck a rebuild is usually around young good players not young players that suckbillybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:10 pmI don't understand why anyone would expect anything different. They made it pretty clear that next year will be a rebuild year.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 11:41 am If the starting lineup has Walker, Gorman, Church, and Scott, that offense will suck. And nobody will be going to games or watching on TV after June.
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The question was regarding ONE SPECIFIC GAME.Hoosier59 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 10:30 amSo in your lineup, Burleson and Herrera are both on the roster, but only one is in the lineup each game, depending on the pitcher? Really?Melville wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 09:50 ambillybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 08:37 am SS- Masyn Winn
C- Ivan Herrara
DH- Alec Burleson
1B-Wilson Contreras
2B-JJ Wetherholt
RF- Jordan Walker
3B-Nolan Gorman
LF-Nathan Church
CF- Victor Scott
Michael McGreevy
Matthew Liberatore
Andre Pallante
Kyle Leahy
John Means
2b Wetherholt
LF Donovan
RF Acquisition
1B Contreras
DH Burleson or Herrera based on pitcher
3B Gorman
SS Winn
C Pages
CF Scott
You really are convinced Gorman can out hit both of them aren’t you?
I’m sorry but, “ NO WAY “ !
Take out Gorman,and put Donovan at 3rd base and either Burleson or Herrera in LF, and you would be closer to be being correct!
Just my opinion.
Not every game.
Two quick observations.
One, I was first and best to correctly analyze and advise that Herrera be repurposed as a corner outfielder.
That has never changed.
Two, between DH/1B/LF/RF/2B/3B there are plenty of ways for Donovan, Gorman, Wetherholt, Contreras, Herrera, Burleson, AND an Acquisition to be in the lineup - and have one of them as a bench each day.
As for Gorman, I make zero assumptions - nor do I do so with any other player.
FACT is, he has by far the most power of any LH bat on the team and throughout his career has consistently proven to be an 80 RBI hitter per 600 PA's.
Does that mean is the best option currently?
Yes.
Until someone else proves to be a better choice.
Right now, no one on the team has.
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I also like Donovan at 3B.Hoosier59 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 10:30 amSo in your lineup, Burleson and Herrera are both on the roster, but only one is in the lineup each game, depending on the pitcher? Really?Melville wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 09:50 ambillybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 08:37 am SS- Masyn Winn
C- Ivan Herrara
DH- Alec Burleson
1B-Wilson Contreras
2B-JJ Wetherholt
RF- Jordan Walker
3B-Nolan Gorman
LF-Nathan Church
CF- Victor Scott
Michael McGreevy
Matthew Liberatore
Andre Pallante
Kyle Leahy
John Means
2b Wetherholt
LF Donovan
RF Acquisition
1B Contreras
DH Burleson or Herrera based on pitcher
3B Gorman
SS Winn
C Pages
CF Scott
You really are convinced Gorman can out hit both of them aren’t you?
I’m sorry but, “ NO WAY “ !
Take out Gorman,and put Donovan at 3rd base and either Burleson or Herrera in LF, and you would be closer to be being correct!
Just my opinion.
The Cards are overloaded a bit with LH bats.
Someone(or two) figures to get dealt.
JJ at 2B and Donovan and Burleson are your best bats from that side.
Of course I would prefer keeping them but if a deal too good to pass up arises then you move them.
I would deal Gorman. His power is a tease.
Doesn’t have it upstairs.
I would also move Noot but he could survive due to his defense?
You have Scott as a plus defender in CF but the corners may not hold up?
C- 2 of Crooks/Pages/Pozo
DH- Herrera
1B- Contreras
2B- JJ
SS- Winn
3B- Donovan
CF- Scott
Corner OF- Burleson/Noot/Walker
Of course Noot could get dealt instead of Gorman
which puts him at 3B and Donovan in LF.
Walker survives for 2026(at least at the start) due to the remaining Option Year plus he is RH.
Saggese obviously for the bench. Of course someone could be added in trade/FA(RH bat?).
Don’t laugh but they could a lot worse than Fermin!
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I believe they have him penciled in at 2B.billybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 16:30 pmWetherholt is an above-average to plus defender at short.Cranny wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 13:53 pmWhom does he have to beat out?billybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 13:45 pm.310 OBP and a .673 OPS isn't good enough no matter the defense imoCranny wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 13:10 pmWinn has to earn playing time?billybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:47 pmI literally said they don't get runway this year. If they don't perform they'll be gone. But Herrera, Burleson and Wetherholt are the only young position players who are currently rebuild players imo. Everyone else will have to earn playing time.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:37 pmYea gave them a runway and sucked now you give them another runway? lol dumb of bloom already starting out. Gorman has had close to 1600 at bats to show how much he sucks now they’re saying let’s give him an even 2000 to see him suck some more. lol just awful managementbillybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:31 pmWe're not rebuilding around them. Their runway was last season.This season it's perform or you'll be replaced. But the Cardinals won't be going out and spending money. If they spend anything it will be bringing in pitchers to hopefully flip at the deadline. But no one will stay in the lineup if they aren't performing aside from Wetherholt.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:11 pmBut should you really be trying to rebuild around players that suck a rebuild is usually around young good players not young players that suckbillybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 12:10 pmI don't understand why anyone would expect anything different. They made it pretty clear that next year will be a rebuild year.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 11:41 am If the starting lineup has Walker, Gorman, Church, and Scott, that offense will suck. And nobody will be going to games or watching on TV after June.
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Re: 2026 opening day lineup
They absolutely canno start those stiffs again next year, hoping the light finally comes on , can they? Rocco , whaddya tink? I would not attend a game on a bet.Melville wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 09:50 ambillybaseball wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 08:37 am SS- Masyn Winn
C- Ivan Herrara
DH- Alec Burleson
1B-Wilson Contreras
2B-JJ Wetherholt
RF- Jordan Walker
3B-Nolan Gorman
LF-Nathan Church
CF- Victor Scott
Michael McGreevy
Matthew Liberatore
Andre Pallante
Kyle Leahy
John Means
2b Wetherholt
LF Donovan
RF Acquisition
1B Contreras
DH Burleson or Herrera based on pitcher
3B Gorman
SS Winn
C Pages
CF Scott