Mails -6

[son_of_foolsgold]

Mailloux needs to be sent down before he has to clear waivers...Army is just compounding his first mistake by trading for him.

[seattleblue]

he was apparently highly touted by our scouting staff who basically said we would have drafted him except for the moral baggage

either way we can't let it go on much longer, he can figure it out in Springfield. people say he needs to play. those are individual needs which are less than the team needs

This.

We can agree that Army was wrong to say Mailloux is ready for full time NHL work. Army probably shouldn't have gone out on a limb making that claim despite Mailloux's inexperience and mixed early results. The past four games doesn't really change things as much as it clarifies how much work is needed.

Of course, watching Bolduc play as well as he can (at the other extreme from Mailloux) makes the early comparisons inevitably hurtful. But it is what it is. The question is, how do the Blues course correct?

No, we cannot agree. Yes, a LOT of work is needed. Yes, Bolduc at this point is irrelevant.

Mailloux has talent, he needs to process game situations better. There is no Bedard in the AHL, he needs to learn how to handle him and the talent in the NHL.

I do believe Tucker and Mailloux are proving that both is a bridge too far, at least for now. It is fair to ask where the Blues should place their bets, it's also clear what the answer is to that question. Tucker can play better but I think we saw his ceiling at the end of last season.

You believe after watching Mailloux for four games that Armstrong was correct when he said this clearly overmatched person is ready for full NHL work? That was hype and hope,

[BalotelliMassive]

This guy needs to be getting top line minutes in the AHL instead of third line turd minutes in the big leagues. I would hope that the coach in the A has the same defensive mindset as Montgomery so he can learn the system first. Armstrong whiffed by saying that the job is his to lose.

[Old_Goat]

Faulk with his years of experience makes the right plays & positioning fairly well, but it sure would help if he had the ability to get back into the D-zone quickly & effectively when things don't go well when he pinches or goes deep into the O-zone. A couple of those goals happened because others were unable to cover for him.
Mailloux's skating skills are excellent. He actually makes some strong breakout passes and can carry the puck okay. For now though, the panic fails in the near vicinity of our goal are glaring. A lot is at stake standings-wise while he figures it out. No question Tucker and he should not be paired together. I am not convinced that Kessel is the answer beyond being available on short notice to start if injury happens. He is similar to Perunovich except in size and style of play...in other words: he's not a capable of long-term high amount of playing time NHLer.
I just wonder if the pairings with what we currently have should be?
Broberg-Parayko
Fowler-Mailloux
Tucker-Faulk

[DawgDad]

he was apparently highly touted by our scouting staff who basically said we would have drafted him except for the moral baggage

either way we can't let it go on much longer, he can figure it out in Springfield. people say he needs to play. those are individual needs which are less than the team needs

This.

We can agree that Army was wrong to say Mailloux is ready for full time NHL work. Army probably shouldn't have gone out on a limb making that claim despite Mailloux's inexperience and mixed early results. The past four games doesn't really change things as much as it clarifies how much work is needed.

Of course, watching Bolduc play as well as he can (at the other extreme from Mailloux) makes the early comparisons inevitably hurtful. But it is what it is. The question is, how do the Blues course correct?

No, we cannot agree. Yes, a LOT of work is needed. Yes, Bolduc at this point is irrelevant.

Mailloux has talent, he needs to process game situations better. There is no Bedard in the AHL, he needs to learn how to handle him and the talent in the NHL.

I do believe Tucker and Mailloux are proving that both is a bridge too far, at least for now. It is fair to ask where the Blues should place their bets, it's also clear what the answer is to that question. Tucker can play better but I think we saw his ceiling at the end of last season.

You believe after watching Mailloux for four games that Armstrong was correct when he said this clearly overmatched person is ready for full NHL work? That was hype and hope,

Yes and we'll see. Mailloux needs to adjust to NHL speed and play within the Blues system. We'll seen if he can learn and adjust. The Blues need to be patient, see if he can take NHL coaching and adjust.

Mailloux AND Tucker, right now, IS a problem.one of those two needs to play steady, veteran hockey RIGHT NOW. The other needs to demonstrate he's worth the investment of patience and short term pain. They need to be on the ice in the NHL to do that. The Blues can replace Tucker but Mailloux's potential is something they need to groom.

[MiamiLaw]

Mailloux's skating skills are excellent. He actually makes some strong breakout passes and can carry the puck okay.

Maybe he showed this in the preseason (I didn't see any of the games), in some of the MTL games he got into or in the AHL/lower leagues, but he has not shown this at all in the 4 games so far here.

[dhsux]

I am way more concerned with Tucker. Two of the last four games we have seen serious issues with Tucker lead to goals. Mails is in a tough spot. He is learning and his partner has been brutal this year. I would swap Tucker first.

Tucker’s been a nightmare in two or three games already. Mailloux is going to catch a lot of heat, but I’d argue Tucker has been worse.

Consider the disparity in games played, I would agree.

Maybe even straight up.

For now, they need to be split up.

[Old_Goat]

Mailloux's skating skills are excellent. He actually makes some strong breakout passes and can carry the puck okay.

Maybe he showed this in the preseason (I didn't see any of the games), in some of the MTL games he got into or in the AHL/lower leagues, but he has not shown this at all in the 4 games so far here.

During these four games he has made some very good head-man passes on the tape out of the zone through the neutral zone. And he has quickly gotten back to catch up to the opposing rush after change of possession...but it's hard to notice these, because the panicked swatting & scrambling in circles either in front of the net or behind the goal line are too often and obvious.

[somni]

Mailloux's skating skills are excellent. He actually makes some strong breakout passes and can carry the puck okay.

Maybe he showed this in the preseason (I didn't see any of the games), in some of the MTL games he got into or in the AHL/lower leagues, but he has not shown this at all in the 4 games so far here.

During these four games he has made some very good head-man passes on the tape out of the zone through the neutral zone. And he has quickly gotten back to catch up to the opposing rush after change of possession...but it's hard to notice these, because the panicked swatting & scrambling in circles either in front of the net or behind the goal line are too often and obvious.

That's what I see. He definitely panics when caught down low.
I also see some bad decisions on when to pinch in or make a play in the neutral zone. That could be contributed to getting to know Monty's system. There were lots of odd man rushes last night on all d-pairings.

Mailloux would be better off playing with someone like Suter...a stay at home, defensive-minded partner.

[DawgDad]

Mailloux's skating skills are excellent. He actually makes some strong breakout passes and can carry the puck okay.

Maybe he showed this in the preseason (I didn't see any of the games), in some of the MTL games he got into or in the AHL/lower leagues, but he has not shown this at all in the 4 games so far here.

During these four games he has made some very good head-man passes on the tape out of the zone through the neutral zone. And he has quickly gotten back to catch up to the opposing rush after change of possession...but it's hard to notice these, because the panicked swatting & scrambling in circles either in front of the net or behind the goal line are too often and obvious.

That's what I see. He definitely panics when caught down low.
I also see some bad decisions on when to pinch in or make a play in the neutral zone. That could be contributed to getting to know Monty's system. There were lots of odd man rushes last night on all d-pairings.

Mailloux would be better off playing with someone like Suter...a stay at home, defensive-minded partner.

To your last point, yes. It seems apparent Monty and Armstrong thought Tucker could provide a similar level of play, to this point he has come up short. An order of patience may be due here, but at some point the #5 guy has to be a steadying influence.

[seattleblue]

he was apparently highly touted by our scouting staff who basically said we would have drafted him except for the moral baggage

either way we can't let it go on much longer, he can figure it out in Springfield. people say he needs to play. those are individual needs which are less than the team needs

This.

We can agree that Army was wrong to say Mailloux is ready for full time NHL work. Army probably shouldn't have gone out on a limb making that claim despite Mailloux's inexperience and mixed early results. The past four games doesn't really change things as much as it clarifies how much work is needed.

Of course, watching Bolduc play as well as he can (at the other extreme from Mailloux) makes the early comparisons inevitably hurtful. But it is what it is. The question is, how do the Blues course correct?

No, we cannot agree. Yes, a LOT of work is needed. Yes, Bolduc at this point is irrelevant.

Mailloux has talent, he needs to process game situations better. There is no Bedard in the AHL, he needs to learn how to handle him and the talent in the NHL.

I do believe Tucker and Mailloux are proving that both is a bridge too far, at least for now. It is fair to ask where the Blues should place their bets, it's also clear what the answer is to that question. Tucker can play better but I think we saw his ceiling at the end of last season.

You believe after watching Mailloux for four games that Armstrong was correct when he said this clearly overmatched person is ready for full NHL work? That was hype and hope,

Yes and we'll see. Mailloux needs to adjust to NHL speed and play within the Blues system. We'll seen if he can learn and adjust. The Blues need to be patient, see if he can take NHL coaching and adjust.

Mailloux AND Tucker, right now, IS a problem.one of those two needs to play steady, veteran hockey RIGHT NOW. The other needs to demonstrate he's worth the investment of patience and short term pain. They need to be on the ice in the NHL to do that. The Blues can replace Tucker but Mailloux's potential is something they need to groom.

ok ok, he's completely ready but also he simply needs a major adjustment

he's also got zero track record of having made it

[Army's Mom]

he was apparently highly touted by our scouting staff who basically said we would have drafted him except for the moral baggage

either way we can't let it go on much longer, he can figure it out in Springfield. people say he needs to play. those are individual needs which are less than the team needs

This.

We can agree that Army was wrong to say Mailloux is ready for full time NHL work. Army probably shouldn't have gone out on a limb making that claim despite Mailloux's inexperience and mixed early results. The past four games doesn't really change things as much as it clarifies how much work is needed.

Of course, watching Bolduc play as well as he can (at the other extreme from Mailloux) makes the early comparisons inevitably hurtful. But it is what it is. The question is, how do the Blues course correct?

No, we cannot agree. Yes, a LOT of work is needed. Yes, Bolduc at this point is irrelevant.

Mailloux has talent, he needs to process game situations better. There is no Bedard in the AHL, he needs to learn how to handle him and the talent in the NHL.

I do believe Tucker and Mailloux are proving that both is a bridge too far, at least for now. It is fair to ask where the Blues should place their bets, it's also clear what the answer is to that question. Tucker can play better but I think we saw his ceiling at the end of last season.

You believe after watching Mailloux for four games that Armstrong was correct when he said this clearly overmatched person is ready for full NHL work? That was hype and hope,

Yes and we'll see. Mailloux needs to adjust to NHL speed and play within the Blues system. We'll seen if he can learn and adjust. The Blues need to be patient, see if he can take NHL coaching and adjust.

Mailloux AND Tucker, right now, IS a problem.one of those two needs to play steady, veteran hockey RIGHT NOW. The other needs to demonstrate he's worth the investment of patience and short term pain. They need to be on the ice in the NHL to do that. The Blues can replace Tucker but Mailloux's potential is something they need to groom.

Sounds reasonable enough - whether Mailloux can adapt with a steady veteran at his side is an open question in my mind, but I'm not sure there's a veteran to play him with? What's Suter up to?

[MiamiLaw]

Mailloux's skating skills are excellent. He actually makes some strong breakout passes and can carry the puck okay.

Maybe he showed this in the preseason (I didn't see any of the games), in some of the MTL games he got into or in the AHL/lower leagues, but he has not shown this at all in the 4 games so far here.

During these four games he has made some very good head-man passes on the tape out of the zone through the neutral zone. And he has quickly gotten back to catch up to the opposing rush after change of possession...but it's hard to notice these, because the panicked swatting & scrambling in circles either in front of the net or behind the goal line are too often and obvious.

I'll try to isolate on him in the next few games to see if I see these. Thx

[Bacchk29]

he was apparently highly touted by our scouting staff who basically said we would have drafted him except for the moral baggage

either way we can't let it go on much longer, he can figure it out in Springfield. people say he needs to play. those are individual needs which are less than the team needs

This.

We can agree that Army was wrong to say Mailloux is ready for full time NHL work. Army probably shouldn't have gone out on a limb making that claim despite Mailloux's inexperience and mixed early results. The past four games doesn't really change things as much as it clarifies how much work is needed.

Of course, watching Bolduc play as well as he can (at the other extreme from Mailloux) makes the early comparisons inevitably hurtful. But it is what it is. The question is, how do the Blues course correct?

No, we cannot agree. Yes, a LOT of work is needed. Yes, Bolduc at this point is irrelevant.

Mailloux has talent, he needs to process game situations better. There is no Bedard in the AHL, he needs to learn how to handle him and the talent in the NHL.

I do believe Tucker and Mailloux are proving that both is a bridge too far, at least for now. It is fair to ask where the Blues should place their bets, it's also clear what the answer is to that question. Tucker can play better but I think we saw his ceiling at the end of last season.

You believe after watching Mailloux for four games that Armstrong was correct when he said this clearly overmatched person is ready for full NHL work? That was hype and hope,

Yes and we'll see. Mailloux needs to adjust to NHL speed and play within the Blues system. We'll seen if he can learn and adjust. The Blues need to be patient, see if he can take NHL coaching and adjust.

Mailloux AND Tucker, right now, IS a problem.one of those two needs to play steady, veteran hockey RIGHT NOW. The other needs to demonstrate he's worth the investment of patience and short term pain. They need to be on the ice in the NHL to do that. The Blues can replace Tucker but Mailloux's potential is something they need to groom.

ok ok, he's completely ready but also he simply needs a major adjustment

he's also got zero track record of having made it

Why are the Blues having to be patient with him but Lindstein, after having a great camp gets to start in the A?

[seattleblue]

he was apparently highly touted by our scouting staff who basically said we would have drafted him except for the moral baggage

either way we can't let it go on much longer, he can figure it out in Springfield. people say he needs to play. those are individual needs which are less than the team needs

This.

We can agree that Army was wrong to say Mailloux is ready for full time NHL work. Army probably shouldn't have gone out on a limb making that claim despite Mailloux's inexperience and mixed early results. The past four games doesn't really change things as much as it clarifies how much work is needed.

Of course, watching Bolduc play as well as he can (at the other extreme from Mailloux) makes the early comparisons inevitably hurtful. But it is what it is. The question is, how do the Blues course correct?

No, we cannot agree. Yes, a LOT of work is needed. Yes, Bolduc at this point is irrelevant.

Mailloux has talent, he needs to process game situations better. There is no Bedard in the AHL, he needs to learn how to handle him and the talent in the NHL.

I do believe Tucker and Mailloux are proving that both is a bridge too far, at least for now. It is fair to ask where the Blues should place their bets, it's also clear what the answer is to that question. Tucker can play better but I think we saw his ceiling at the end of last season.

You believe after watching Mailloux for four games that Armstrong was correct when he said this clearly overmatched person is ready for full NHL work? That was hype and hope,

Yes and we'll see. Mailloux needs to adjust to NHL speed and play within the Blues system. We'll seen if he can learn and adjust. The Blues need to be patient, see if he can take NHL coaching and adjust.

Mailloux AND Tucker, right now, IS a problem.one of those two needs to play steady, veteran hockey RIGHT NOW. The other needs to demonstrate he's worth the investment of patience and short term pain. They need to be on the ice in the NHL to do that. The Blues can replace Tucker but Mailloux's potential is something they need to groom.

ok ok, he's completely ready but also he simply needs a major adjustment

he's also got zero track record of having made it

Why are the Blues having to be patient with him but Lindstein, after having a great camp gets to start in the A?

I watched plenty of Lindstein play against men in the SHL all year last year. Almost won the championship, lost the final in 6. I am very confident in his ability to hold poise among men. Jakub Silfverberg (who still looks pretty good) was on his team. I think if Lindstein shows in 15-20 games with Springfield that he's solid, they don't need offense from him, although he did get PP time in the SHL. He's just a smooth player. You appreciate his self control when you isolate on his game. The Blues cannot be giving up 13 goals at home in 2 games. Granted a lot of that is artificially inflated by goalie weak goals, but the defense certainly contributed to the demise getting caught out of position a lot.

They will not knee jerk this, they will give it time but if they're 5-5 after 10 games and it still looks like this there's no way they won't give Lindstein a chance, they will basically have to since the depth part of the NHL D corps has not shown up this season.

[STL fan in MN]

Mailloux needs to be sent down before he has to clear waivers...Army is just compounding his first mistake by trading for him.

He has to play 160 NHL games or 4 professional seasons before he’s waiver eligible. Not a consideration or worry at this time.