Athletic: Albert Pujols meets with Angels about managerial job, discusses potential contract: Sources

[NYCardsFan]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/670768 ... ed_article

Albert Pujols met with Angels general manager Perry Minasian on Thursday night in St. Louis to discuss the team’s managerial opening, league sources told The Athletic.

The meeting with the three-time MVP is believed to have gone very well, and the two sides are having preliminary discussions on a deal, though there is no agreement yet, according to a league source. An announcement is not expected to be imminent.
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At this point, the sources say, it is essentially Pujols’ choice of whether he wants the job.
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Discussions have also begun on a potential coaching staff under Pujols. It is believed that longtime Dodgers starter Ramon Martinez would be Pujols’ preferred choice as pitching coach.

Article says they’re aiming for a formal announcement before the start of the World Series.

[AZ_Cardsfan]

As he is under a long term commitment to the Angels he is blocked from managing anywhere else - right? But if they sign him as a manager and then fire him he would then be free? I'm unclear on his status.

[ramfandan]

Would there be any speculation on Molina as bench coach ?
It could be Yadi’s Plan B should he and cardinals coaching talks not progress.
If you are Yadi nothing like a little leverage if you wish to use it.

[Swuhgen]

Molina will 100% be his bench coach.

[Gob]

As he is under a long term commitment to the Angels he is blocked from managing anywhere else - right? But if they sign him as a manager and then fire him he would then be free? I'm unclear on his status.

We don’t really know the details of that contract. There are still fans who think it means he can’t go into the HOF as a Cardinal.

[Melville]

Molina will 100% be his bench coach.

Pujols and Molina landing with the Angels would be terrific off-season news for the Cardinals.

[45s]

Molina will 100% be his bench coach.

Pujols and Molina landing with the Angels would be terrific off-season news for the Cardinals.

Bloom barely in office and he is already cleaning house…

[Ozziesfan41]

Molina will 100% be his bench coach.

Pujols and Molina landing with the Angels would be terrific off-season news for the Cardinals.

Why? The last time the cardinals won anything was when they were here. Arenado said the last couple of seasons
The team came to the park hoping good things to happen instead of expecting good things to happen meaning the last time the team had a winning attitude was when those two were on the team providing their leadership.

[Melville]

Molina will 100% be his bench coach.

Pujols and Molina landing with the Angels would be terrific off-season news for the Cardinals.

Why? The last time the cardinals won anything was when they were here. Arenado said the last couple of seasons
The team came to the park hoping good things to happen instead of expecting good things to happen meaning the last time the team had a winning attitude was when those two were on the team providing their leadership.

Respectfully disagree.
Keep in mind, as many here can attest, I said IN ADVANCE that the goodwill legacy farewell reunion tour was toxic to the franchise and that it plainly communicated to every single person throughout the entire organization that winning was neither prioritized nor expected.
I said in advance that it was proof of my long-held assertion (which I was first to identify, understand, and explain) that the Cardinals were not a baseball team with a marketing department but was instead a marketing company with a baseball department.
The trainwreck that created over the past several seasons was inevitable - precisely as I said it would be.
Fact is, turning to past icons is the very worst thing this organization could do.
The toxic culture cannot be cleansed by using contaminants.

[Ozziesfan41]

Molina will 100% be his bench coach.

Pujols and Molina landing with the Angels would be terrific off-season news for the Cardinals.

Why? The last time the cardinals won anything was when they were here. Arenado said the last couple of seasons
The team came to the park hoping good things to happen instead of expecting good things to happen meaning the last time the team had a winning attitude was when those two were on the team providing their leadership.

Respectfully disagree.
Keep in mind, as many here can attest, I said IN ADVANCE that the goodwill legacy farewell reunion tour was toxic to the franchise and that it plainly communicated to every single person throughout the entire organization that winning was neither prioritized nor expected.
I said in advance that it was proof of my long-held assertion (which I was first to identify, understand, and explain) that the Cardinals were not a baseball team with a marketing department but was instead a marketing company with a baseball department.
The trainwreck that created over the past several seasons was inevitable - precisely as I said it would be.
Fact is, turning to past icons is the very worst thing this organization could do.
The toxic culture cannot be cleansed by using contaminants.

Yea you said in advance that bringing pujols back with waino and Molina was toxic culture and showed the team couldn’t win then the toxic culture team went out and won the division and could have advanced if it wasn’t for oli being a bonehead in the post season and the cardinals haven’t won since they broke up the toxic culture. The toxic culture with Molina went to the post season 13 times in 19 seasons the toxic culture of Molina and pujols together made it to the post season 9 of 13 seasons and won two World Series. So if toxic culture wins the division like in 2022 brings
That level of success bring that toxic culture back. That toxic culture nonsense another of your nonsense ramblings that is clearly wrong yet you double down on being wrong

[AZ_Cardsfan]

Molina will 100% be his bench coach.

Pujols and Molina landing with the Angels would be terrific off-season news for the Cardinals.

Why? The last time the cardinals won anything was when they were here. Arenado said the last couple of seasons
The team came to the park hoping good things to happen instead of expecting good things to happen meaning the last time the team had a winning attitude was when those two were on the team providing their leadership.

Having them as managers/coaches isnt' the same as players.

[Ozziesfan41]

Molina will 100% be his bench coach.

Pujols and Molina landing with the Angels would be terrific off-season news for the Cardinals.

Why? The last time the cardinals won anything was when they were here. Arenado said the last couple of seasons
The team came to the park hoping good things to happen instead of expecting good things to happen meaning the last time the team had a winning attitude was when those two were on the team providing their leadership.

Having them as managers/coaches isnt' the same as players.

But their leadership and ability to create a winning team culture doesn’t. Larussa did it Albert and Molina did it players said it all the time arenado confirmed it when he said the last couple of seasons the team came to the park hoping good things happen instead of expecting them to happen meaning the winning culture was gone when Molina and Albert left and their presence certainly has never been creating a toxic culture

[AZ_Cardsfan]

Molina will 100% be his bench coach.

Pujols and Molina landing with the Angels would be terrific off-season news for the Cardinals.

Why? The last time the cardinals won anything was when they were here. Arenado said the last couple of seasons
The team came to the park hoping good things to happen instead of expecting good things to happen meaning the last time the team had a winning attitude was when those two were on the team providing their leadership.

Having them as managers/coaches isnt' the same as players.

But their leadership and ability to create a winning team culture doesn’t. Larussa did it Albert and Molina did it players said it all the time arenado confirmed it when he said the last couple of seasons the team came to the park hoping good things happen instead of expecting them to happen meaning the winning culture was gone when Molina and Albert left and their presence certainly has never been creating a toxic culture

Sometimes the reason they expected good to happen was because of the talent those players brought to the table. Managing eliminates that talent and the team has to expect performance from who IS playing. I remember Musial managing. He wasn't great." Some other greats who managed and didn't do so well include:

Ted Williams: The Hall of Fame outfielder Ted Williams, a legend, was a terrible manager. He was known for his poor management skills.

Rogers Hornsby: The Hall of Fame second baseman Rogers Hornsby, a legend, was a terrible manager. He was known for his difficult personality.

Frank Robinson: The Hall of Fame outfielder Frank Robinson, a legend, was a terrible manager. He was known for his mixed results.

Ryne Sandberg: The Hall of Fame second baseman Ryne Sandberg, a legend, was a terrible manager. He was known for his minor league struggles.

Pete Rose: The Hall of Fame player Pete Rose, a legend, was a terrible manager. He was known for his player-manager role.

Yogi Berra: The Hall of Fame catcher Yogi Berra, etc

There is no assurance either (Pujols or Molina) will be good managers or that with the same talent on the team anything will turn around.

Note I am not AGAINST hiring either as manager I'm just of the opinion unless there is improvement in the talent they manage both will get similar results.

[rockondlouie]

Molina will 100% be his bench coach.

Pujols and Molina landing with the Angels would be terrific off-season news for the Cardinals.

Why? The last time the cardinals won anything was when they were here. Arenado said the last couple of seasons
The team came to the park hoping good things to happen instead of expecting good things to happen meaning the last time the team had a winning attitude was when those two were on the team providing their leadership.

Respectfully disagree.
Keep in mind, as many here can attest, I said IN ADVANCE that the goodwill legacy farewell reunion tour was toxic to the franchise and that it plainly communicated to every single person throughout the entire organization that winning was neither prioritized nor expected.
I said in advance that it was proof of my long-held assertion (which I was first to identify, understand, and explain) that the Cardinals were not a baseball team with a marketing department but was instead a marketing company with a baseball department.
The trainwreck that created over the past several seasons was inevitable - precisely as I said it would be.
Fact is, turning to past icons is the very worst thing this organization could do.
The toxic culture cannot be cleansed by using contaminants.

Yea you said in advance that bringing pujols back with waino and Molina was toxic culture and showed the team couldn’t win then the toxic culture team went out and won the division and could have advanced if it wasn’t for oli being a bonehead in the post season and the cardinals haven’t won since they broke up the toxic culture. The toxic culture with Molina went to the post season 13 times in 19 seasons the toxic culture of Molina and pujols together made it to the post season 9 of 13 seasons and won two World Series. So if toxic culture wins the division like in 2022 brings
That level of success bring that toxic culture back. That toxic culture nonsense another of your nonsense ramblings that is clearly wrong yet you double down on being wrong

+1 Ozzie

Albert & Yadi did NOT create a "toxic" culture.

They gave the team and we fans their best every game (and please no idiot come in and say "but they only trotted to 1st base on ROUNTINE GROUND OUTS"............which is exactly what TLR and future managers told them to do! )

[Ozziesfan41]

Molina will 100% be his bench coach.

Pujols and Molina landing with the Angels would be terrific off-season news for the Cardinals.

Why? The last time the cardinals won anything was when they were here. Arenado said the last couple of seasons
The team came to the park hoping good things to happen instead of expecting good things to happen meaning the last time the team had a winning attitude was when those two were on the team providing their leadership.

Having them as managers/coaches isnt' the same as players.

But their leadership and ability to create a winning team culture doesn’t. Larussa did it Albert and Molina did it players said it all the time arenado confirmed it when he said the last couple of seasons the team came to the park hoping good things happen instead of expecting them to happen meaning the winning culture was gone when Molina and Albert left and their presence certainly has never been creating a toxic culture

Sometimes the reason they expected good to happen was because of the talent those players brought to the table. Managing eliminates that talent and the team has to expect performance from who IS playing. I remember Musial managing. He wasn't great." Some other greats who managed and didn't do so well include:

Ted Williams: The Hall of Fame outfielder Ted Williams, a legend, was a terrible manager. He was known for his poor management skills.

Rogers Hornsby: The Hall of Fame second baseman Rogers Hornsby, a legend, was a terrible manager. He was known for his difficult personality.

Frank Robinson: The Hall of Fame outfielder Frank Robinson, a legend, was a terrible manager. He was known for his mixed results.

Ryne Sandberg: The Hall of Fame second baseman Ryne Sandberg, a legend, was a terrible manager. He was known for his minor league struggles.

Pete Rose: The Hall of Fame player Pete Rose, a legend, was a terrible manager. He was known for his player-manager role.

Yogi Berra: The Hall of Fame catcher Yogi Berra, etc

There is no assurance either (Pujols or Molina) will be good managers or that with the same talent on the team anything will turn around.

Note I am not AGAINST hiring either as manager I'm just of the opinion unless there is improvement in the talent they manage both will get similar results.

Yadier hit .213 with an ops under .600 the first half of 2022 and Albert hit .215 with an OPS of under .700 and cards were 6 games over .500 the first half so they weren’t bringing great talent like you said. They may not be great managers but we know oli hasn’t been able to instill a winning culture in the team since they left and it certainly dumb to say they caused a toxic culture that doesn’t win they won consistently with them on the team.

[Red Bird Classic]

Molina will 100% be his bench coach.

Pujols and Molina landing with the Angels would be terrific off-season news for the Cardinals.

I agree.

It would be classic FO malfeasance, but the worst thing that could possibly happen is bringing either of them to the team to coach.