Here is the ideal off season plan

[Shady]

Ideally, get a couple decent, fairly young, controlled, starting pitchers for a Nootbaar/Gorman/Walker/a catcher, even Gray combo. It could happen. Keep Donovan to go along with Wetherholt at the top of the batting order. Then, pony up for a big bat, somehow.

[scoutyjones2]

Ideally, get a couple decent starting pitchers for a Nootbaar/Gorman/Walker/a catcher combo. It could happen. Keep Donovan to go along with Wetherholt at the top of the batting order. Then, pony up for a big bat, somehow.

Please, enlighten us who or what is a decent pitcher? Name names? And what big bat and how?

(bleep)

[Shady]

Ideally, get a couple decent starting pitchers for a Nootbaar/Gorman/Walker/a catcher combo. It could happen. Keep Donovan to go along with Wetherholt at the top of the batting order. Then, pony up for a big bat, somehow.

Please, enlighten us who or what is a decent pitcher? Name names? And what big bat and how?

(bleep)

That's what Bloom gets the big bucks to figure out.

[NYCardsFan]

Ideally, get a couple decent, fairly young, controlled, starting pitchers for a Nootbaar/Gorman/Walker combo. It could happen. Keep Donovan to go along with Wetherholt at the top of the batting order. Then, pony up for a big bat, somehow.

Per BTV:
Nootbaar: 7.7
Gorman: 1.5
Walker: 0
Total: 9.2

Please gives us some actual names for the "couple decent, fairly young, controlled, starting pitchers" that you think you can get for that "package."

And why would you "pony up" market prices in FA--or gut the farm system in a trade--for a win-now "big bat" to tack on to a team that just won 78 games and had a win-expectancy of 74 games?

[craviduce]

and pay every speed coach you can find to teach Burleson how to be fast. That way he can bat 9th. They can utilize his weak RISP Power in the 9 spot. If he comes to camp as the slowest player on the team again, I'm afraid he has no home.

[craviduce]

Ideally, get a couple decent, fairly young, controlled, starting pitchers for a Nootbaar/Gorman/Walker combo. It could happen. Keep Donovan to go along with Wetherholt at the top of the batting order. Then, pony up for a big bat, somehow.

Per BTV:
Nootbaar: 7.7
Gorman: 1.5
Walker: 0
Total: 9.2

Please gives us some actual names for the "couple decent, fairly young, controlled, starting pitchers" that you think you can get for that "package."

And why would you "pony up" market prices in FA--or gut the farm system in a trade--for a win-now "big bat" to tack on to a team that just won 78 games and had a win-expectancy of 74 games?

I think he's trying to protect himself. When he suggests a name, he looks like he picked up baseball as a hobby only two hours ago.

"Biles", "Biels", "Boels"

"Chandler"

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[Shady]

and pay every speed coach you can find to teach Burleson how to be fast. That way he can bat 9th. They can utilize his weak RISP Power in the 9 spot. If he comes to camp as the slowest player on the team again, I'm afraid he has no home.

You just don't seem to undersrand that hitters like Burleson don't grow on trees. I'm sure hitters like Gorman and Walker are much more to your liking. Wake up ! Fortunately, professional evaluators in the Cardinals orgainization are much much more adept than you. You are actually becoming more and more of a disgrace with your constant badgering of one of the top hitters in the NL. And he's just coming into his prime. Something else that escapes the fabulous GURU, craviduce. Burleson will makes you look as foolish as ever, after your [nonsense] the last two seasons, again, next season.

[NYCardsFan]

and pay every speed coach you can find to teach Burleson how to be fast. That way he can bat 9th. They can utilize his weak RISP Power in the 9 spot. If he comes to camp as the slowest player on the team again, I'm afraid he has no home.

You just don't seem to undersrand that hitters like Burleson don't grow on trees. I'm sure hitters like Gorman and Walker are much more to your liking. Wake up ! Fortunately, professional evaluators in the Cardinals orgainization are much much more adept than you. You are actually becoming more and more of a disgrace with your constant badgering of one of the top hitters in the NL. And he's just coming into his prime. Something else that escapes the fabulous GURU, craviduce. Burleson will makes you look as foolish as ever again next season.

Speaking of disgraces and looking foolish:

Burleson: “the next Tony Gwynn / Joey Votto,” "an Edman-type player with good speed"
Gorman: “the next Eddie Mathews”
Walker: “Frank Robinson”
Yepez: “a prime-Pujols”
Rom: “Tudor-like”
Pallante: “a righty Chris Carpenter”
Roby: “a young Tom Seaver”
Saggese: “Steve Garvey” and “Jeff Bagwell”
Scott II: “Lou Brock”
Carlson: “will be the best hitter on the MLB team from day-one”

The list goes on and on. “Stay tuned.”

[Shady]

I got it right with Burleson. Screw the superstar talk. He's a fabulous MLB hitter that some of you JOs didn't have a clue seeing coming. I did.

[CorneliusWolfe]

and pay every speed coach you can find to teach Burleson how to be fast. That way he can bat 9th. They can utilize his weak RISP Power in the 9 spot. If he comes to camp as the slowest player on the team again, I'm afraid he has no home.

You just don't seem to undersrand that hitters like Burleson don't grow on trees. I'm sure hitters like Gorman and Walker are much more to your liking. Wake up ! Fortunately, professional evaluators in the Cardinals orgainization are much much more adept than you. You are actually becoming more and more of a disgrace with your constant badgering of one of the top hitters in the NL. And he's just coming into his prime. Something else that escapes the fabulous GURU, craviduce. Burleson will makes you look as foolish as ever, after your [nonsense] the last two seasons, again, next season.

Those same talent evaluators that you say believe in Burleson are the same ones that haven’t drafted a star player in well over a decade. Unless you count Donovan.

Hopefully change is underway, but their track record of betting on the wrong guys has been pretty terrible.

[zuck698]

and pay every speed coach you can find to teach Burleson how to be fast. That way he can bat 9th. They can utilize his weak RISP Power in the 9 spot. If he comes to camp as the slowest player on the team again, I'm afraid he has no home.

Old Shady has started his same stench over at the Mizzou forum recently. Such a joy getting to see his incredible insights on multi forums now! He is not just a baseball "Wiz".

[NYCardsFan]

I got it right with Burlleson. Screw the superstar talk. He's a fabulous MLB hitter that some of you JOs didn't have a clue seeing coming. I did.

So you're saying he IS the next Tony Gwynn / Joey Votto??? I guess in the Shadyverse, you get to declare yourself "right" even when you were clearly wrong. Alice in Wonderland type stuff . . .

Age-26 Season (fWAR/Career fWAR):
Gwynn: 6.2/19.2
Votto: 6.9/15.0
Burleson: 2.1/1.9

Taps sign (from July) . . .

For those forum members who may be unfamiliar with Shady's usual goalpost-shifting and fact-free horsesh*t, a brief primer:

Shady: "Burleson is the next Tony Gwynn." "Burleson is the next Joey Votto." (Actual quotes)

CardsTalk consensus: Burleson is a one-dimensional player who could be a decent bench bat and/or role player on the low end, with a ceiling of a low-end starter, which has value as long as he is cost-controlled/pre-arb.

Reality: At age 26, Tony Gwynn posted 6.2 fWAR, and Joey Votto posted 6.9 fWAR. By contrast, in his best season so far, Burleson is on pace for approx. 1.8-2.0 fWAR, and has averaged 0.45 fWAR/150 games played. Fangraphs defines a “role player” as 1-2 fWAR, and a “solid starter” as 2-3 fWAR. So once again, the many posters who said Burleson could be a good role player or even low-end starter were much closer to being “right” than Shady (“the next Tony Gwynn /Joey Votto”). Please keep this in mind whenever Shady gaslights the forum with another one of his dishonest victory laps.

[craviduce]

I got it right with Burleson. Screw the superstar talk. He's a fabulous MLB hitter that some of you JOs didn't have a clue seeing coming. I did.

you spent 6 months talking about his 2024 counting stats : HR/RBI. He regressed in 2025, he couldn't hit for power with RISP...only 7 XBH. That was less than the injury plagued Masyn Winn. You were wrong about Burley...and you now claim he's heading into "A Made Up Prime"....he's regressing in those numbers you touted. You know, you claim he's the guy you want up against a stout RH reliever with the game on the line, but the stats say the opposite.

I'm trying to help you. Let's find some coaches that can teach him speed. If he's going to hit singles, then he's perfect for the 9 spot in the lineup. Let the guys who drive the ball try to drive him in...like Wetherholt, Donovan, Contreras and Herrera.

I know you want him to be a 30 HR/30 Double guy, you even made several threads about it last year...hilariously, in one of those threads you lowered it 25/25, then 20/20 after no one agreed.

We never Burley bash, we're just trying to find the appropriate place for him in the lineup...he's going to cost roughly 3.5million next year, and without more speed, he's just a guy who slaps singles in pressure situations. That has uses, of course, but not in the middle of the lineup.

[NYCardsFan]

I got it right with Burleson. Screw the superstar talk. He's a fabulous MLB hitter that some of you JOs didn't have a clue seeing coming. I did.

you spent 6 months talking about his 2024 counting stats : HR/RBI. He regressed in 2025, he couldn't hit for power with RISP...only 7 XBH. That was less than the injury plagued Masyn Winn. You were wrong about Burley...and you now claim he's heading into "A Made Up Prime"....he's regressing in those numbers you touted. You know, you claim he's the guy you want up against a stout RH reliever with the game on the line, but the stats say the opposite.

I'm trying to help you. Let's find some coaches that can teach him speed. If he's going to hit singles, then he's perfect for the 9 spot in the lineup. Let the guys who drive the ball try to drive him in...like Wetherholt, Donovan, Contreras and Herrera.

I know you want him to be a 30 HR/30 Double guy, you even made several threads about it last year...hilariously, in one of those threads you lowered it 25/25, then 20/20 after no one agreed.

We never Burley bash, we're just trying to find the appropriate place for him in the lineup...he's going to cost roughly 3.5million next year, and without more speed, he's just a guy who slaps singles in pressure situations. That has uses, of course, but not in the middle of the lineup.

In Burleson's defense, I think we can all agree that he *IS* (and has been) a "fabulous" pretext/vehicle for Shady's desperate attention-seeking.

[craviduce]

I got it right with Burleson. Screw the superstar talk. He's a fabulous MLB hitter that some of you JOs didn't have a clue seeing coming. I did.

you spent 6 months talking about his 2024 counting stats : HR/RBI. He regressed in 2025, he couldn't hit for power with RISP...only 7 XBH. That was less than the injury plagued Masyn Winn. You were wrong about Burley...and you now claim he's heading into "A Made Up Prime"....he's regressing in those numbers you touted. You know, you claim he's the guy you want up against a stout RH reliever with the game on the line, but the stats say the opposite.

I'm trying to help you. Let's find some coaches that can teach him speed. If he's going to hit singles, then he's perfect for the 9 spot in the lineup. Let the guys who drive the ball try to drive him in...like Wetherholt, Donovan, Contreras and Herrera.

I know you want him to be a 30 HR/30 Double guy, you even made several threads about it last year...hilariously, in one of those threads you lowered it 25/25, then 20/20 after no one agreed.

We never Burley bash, we're just trying to find the appropriate place for him in the lineup...he's going to cost roughly 3.5million next year, and without more speed, he's just a guy who slaps singles in pressure situations. That has uses, of course, but not in the middle of the lineup.

In Burleson's defense, I think we can all agree that he *IS* (and has been) a "fabulous" pretext/vehicle for Shady's desperate attention-seeking.

I just wish he'd stop with the aggressive name calling. It's not polite decorum on a forum.

calling people "Jack offs" and "Guru"...it's not needed in a friendly setting. It's extremely hostile.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Ideally, get a couple decent, fairly young, controlled, starting pitchers for a Nootbaar/Gorman/Walker combo. It could happen. Keep Donovan to go along with Wetherholt at the top of the batting order. Then, pony up for a big bat, somehow.

Per BTV:
Nootbaar: 7.7
Gorman: 1.5
Walker: 0
Total: 9.2

Please gives us some actual names for the "couple decent, fairly young, controlled, starting pitchers" that you think you can get for that "package."

And why would you "pony up" market prices in FA--or gut the farm system in a trade--for a win-now "big bat" to tack on to a team that just won 78 games and had a win-expectancy of 74 games?

And to think for the first half of the season, Nootbaar had a trade value higher than Eury Perez. (He and Donovan were each at about 52)