timoevans wrote: ↑07 Oct 2025 09:37 am
How long till Card Nation turns on Bloom?
I don't know. What time is it now?
Some have already turned, it seems.
I know I'll give him every chance. I don't like his keeping the Marmot and the coaching staff but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt he has a plan in place to execute. Plus, I want him to succeed and the Cardinals to win. That doesn't necessarily have to be my way (though my way would be awesome).
A team that is rebuilding, you would expect for them to hold off on signing pieces until they are ready to seriously contend. Maybe you don't try to sign a top manager until you are serious about contending. I figure 2026 will not necessarily by a season you judge success on wins and losses, but by how well you are setting up for seasons that follow. However, I think Marmol personally has to show something in 2026. He has shown little since 2022. It doesnt matter if he's improved since then. He has to inspire confidence by making the playoffs when unexpected for example.
Shildt took what they gave him and made the playoffs in every full season and almost did in 2018. Oli needs to find a way.
In any case, how he positions the team for seasons after the 2026 season will be telling. I give him the full year and the decision on Marmol after 2026. If he retains Marmol after missing 2026 playoffs, that's a HUGE problem. Fair or not Oli has had multiple chances already and he is lucky to not get booted at 2023.
timoevans wrote: ↑07 Oct 2025 09:37 am
If we have the same old lineup next year and we are still terrible will Card Nation turn on Bloom? Will he be allowed to do anything or will his orders be to get us to look like Tampa Bay or Miami?
CT turned on WJ
CT turned on JL
CT turned on WH
CT turned on TL
CT turned on MM
CT turned on MS
CT turned on MO
CT turned on Oli
CT turned on BDW
Bloom's next.
Quite a difference in the number of people who turned on some of those names.
It all depends on, ...
1. How he communicates with fans
2. What he is resourced and funded to do and over what time frame
3. Whether he does what he says he'll do
4. The tangible results.
The rub will come in #4. Fans will want immediate results. Everything he says he's doing are long term investments.
So when 2026 is another tank season, the bloom will come off the rose. (Or whatever the expression is)
timoevans wrote: ↑07 Oct 2025 09:37 am
If we have the same old lineup next year and we are still terrible will Card Nation turn on Bloom? Will he be allowed to do anything or will his orders be to get us to look like Tampa Bay or Miami?
Well, if his first decision was to keep Oli, I'm not going to be too sanguine. And if that wasn't his decision, I'm not going to be too sanguine, either.
That was indeed BDWJr's icon, he wasn't going to pay Oli to sit on his a z z knowing 2026 was a throwaway season in Dewitt's eye's.
BDW has been paying Oli to sit on his A. Z. Z for years
Name one thing oli does as a manager that makes the team better
Lineup construction-how long and how many games did he bat Goldy, NA, WC in wrong or critical spots in order when they were TERRIBLE
Pitching-how many time did he take a SP who was cruising along or let a guy stay out there and get pummeled
- kept running out Miles and Fedde SO often they killed this last season, and you’ll comment “they didn’t have anyone else”……ANYBODY would have been better
The list could go on but those are the main things a manger is directly impacting
timoevans wrote: ↑07 Oct 2025 09:37 am
If we have the same old lineup next year and we are still terrible will Card Nation turn on Bloom? Will he be allowed to do anything or will his orders be to get us to look like Tampa Bay or Miami?
Well, if his first decision was to keep Oli, I'm not going to be too sanguine. And if that wasn't his decision, I'm not going to be too sanguine, either.
That was indeed BDWJr's icon, he wasn't going to pay Oli to sit on his a z z knowing 2026 was a throwaway season in Dewitt's eye's.
BDW has been paying Oli to sit on his A. Z. Z for years
Name one thing oli does as a manager that makes the team better
Lineup construction-how long and how many games did he bat Goldy, NA, WC in wrong or critical spots in order when they were TERRIBLE
Pitching-how many time did he take a SP who was cruising along or let a guy stay out there and get pummeled
- kept running out Miles and Fedde SO often they killed this last season, and you’ll comment “they didn’t have anyone else”……ANYBODY would have been better
The list could go on but those are the main things a manger is directly impacting
No doubt about that, Oli is the third mistake Mo made hiring Managers.
And I made dozens upon dozens of post slamming his lineup construction, hitting Goldy in the #2 hole was moronic.
He s u c k s and definitely isn't the answer after 2026.
But no way BDWJr was going to pay him to go away when he knows he's not going to spend any real money next season.
ecleme22 wrote: ↑07 Oct 2025 12:00 pm
You will always have the morons who will cry about trading, for instance, Arenado, because they are uber worried about who will play 3B in 2026.
The types who are pining for the short term fixes and can't see the big picture...
Arenado was so dumb not to accept that trade to Houston, where his pop fly bat would play much better. To see his hitting deteriorate so badly the last few years was rather surprising. The post-prime curve has been steep. Watching him not often even really swinging but feeling for the ball reminds me of Dylan Carlson in his final days here. There is little power in that swing anymore. And a lot of his singles are bloops.
The last 2 years, his AEV has plummeted to 86.3 and 86.8, his lowest in the Statcast era and down from 88.8 in 2023. And his hard hit% has fallen to 31.6% and 32.6% the last 2 years, also his lowest in the Statcast era and down from 38.1% in 2023. His ISO, of course, also has plummeted to .123 and .140, down from .193 in 2023.
And now he is vastly overpaid, which was kind of expected with a contract like that. The Cardinals are going to have to eat a large amount of that contract if they can even find any buyers at all. Or take a bad contract in return, and what does that accomplish? Bloom has a tough job ahead.
Maybe Nado had added reason(s) for not wanting to play in Houston that go beyond the ballpark factor. We don’t know.
We do know that he is expanding the list of teams as Nado indicated that in interviews.
Bloom and Nado will work out a trade .
I’m very disappointed that Bloom hasn’t sacked Oli and the current crop of bad coaches like Dusty and Pop.
However, I’m willing to take a wait & see approach and give Bloom the benefit of the doubt for 2026. Bloom has a HUGE job ahead of him, including cleaning up the farm system.
So Bloom gets grace from me for now. Ask me what I think a year from now.
ecleme22 wrote: ↑07 Oct 2025 12:00 pm
You will always have the morons who will cry about trading, for instance, Arenado, because they are uber worried about who will play 3B in 2026.
The types who are pining for the short term fixes and can't see the big picture...
Arenado was so dumb not to accept that trade to Houston, where his pop fly bat would play much better. To see his hitting deteriorate so badly the last few years was rather surprising. The post-prime curve has been steep. Watching him not often even really swinging but feeling for the ball reminds me of Dylan Carlson in his final days here. There is little power in that swing anymore. And a lot of his singles are bloops.
The last 2 years, his AEV has plummeted to 86.3 and 86.8, his lowest in the Statcast era and down from 88.8 in 2023. And his hard hit% has fallen to 31.6% and 32.6% the last 2 years, also his lowest in the Statcast era and down from 38.1% in 2023. His ISO, of course, also has plummeted to .123 and .140, down from .193 in 2023.
And now he is vastly overpaid, which was kind of expected with a contract like that. The Cardinals are going to have to eat a large amount of that contract if they can even find any buyers at all. Or take a bad contract in return, and what does that accomplish? Bloom has a tough job ahead.
Maybe Nado had added reason(s) for not wanting to play in Houston that go beyond the ballpark factor. We don’t know.
We do know that he is expanding the list of teams as Nado indicated that in interviews.
Bloom and Nado will work out a trade .
I dont blame Arenado for not wanting to go to houston. He saw them dump tucker and lose other top players and figured they were going to struggle to make the playoffs and if youre going to be on a team that isnt likely to make the playoffs you had might as well stay where you already are and you and your family is comfortable and it turns out he was correct houston didnt make the playoffs this season either
ecleme22 wrote: ↑07 Oct 2025 12:00 pm
You will always have the morons who will cry about trading, for instance, Arenado, because they are uber worried about who will play 3B in 2026.
The types who are pining for the short term fixes and can't see the big picture...
Arenado was so dumb not to accept that trade to Houston, where his pop fly bat would play much better. To see his hitting deteriorate so badly the last few years was rather surprising. The post-prime curve has been steep. Watching him not often even really swinging but feeling for the ball reminds me of Dylan Carlson in his final days here. There is little power in that swing anymore. And a lot of his singles are bloops.
The last 2 years, his AEV has plummeted to 86.3 and 86.8, his lowest in the Statcast era and down from 88.8 in 2023. And his hard hit% has fallen to 31.6% and 32.6% the last 2 years, also his lowest in the Statcast era and down from 38.1% in 2023. His ISO, of course, also has plummeted to .123 and .140, down from .193 in 2023.
And now he is vastly overpaid, which was kind of expected with a contract like that. The Cardinals are going to have to eat a large amount of that contract if they can even find any buyers at all. Or take a bad contract in return, and what does that accomplish? Bloom has a tough job ahead.
Maybe Nado had added reason(s) for not wanting to play in Houston that go beyond the ballpark factor. We don’t know.
We do know that he is expanding the list of teams as Nado indicated that in interviews.
Bloom and Nado will work out a trade .
I dont blame Arenado for not wanting to go to houston. He saw them dump tucker and lose other top players and figured they were going to struggle to make the playoffs and if youre going to be on a team that isnt likely to make the playoffs you had might as well stay where you already are and you and your family is comfortable and it turns out he was correct houston didnt make the playoffs this season either
I wouldn’t say they dumped Tucker. They got some good, mlb ready players in return.
timoevans wrote: ↑07 Oct 2025 09:37 am
If we have the same old lineup next year and we are still terrible will Card Nation turn on Bloom? Will he be allowed to do anything or will his orders be to get us to look like Tampa Bay or Miami?
Well, if his first decision was to keep Oli, I'm not going to be too sanguine. And if that wasn't his decision, I'm not going to be too sanguine, either.
That was indeed BDWJr's icon, he wasn't going to pay Oli to sit on his a z z knowing 2026 was a throwaway season in Dewitt's eye's.
BDW has been paying Oli to sit on his A. Z. Z for years
Name one thing oli does as a manager that makes the team better
Lineup construction-how long and how many games did he bat Goldy, NA, WC in wrong or critical spots in order when they were TERRIBLE
Pitching-how many time did he take a SP who was cruising along or let a guy stay out there and get pummeled
- kept running out Miles and Fedde SO often they killed this last season, and you’ll comment “they didn’t have anyone else”……ANYBODY would have been better
The list could go on but those are the main things a manger is directly impacting
Sounds to me like the Cardinals have been causing you great anguish, Goldfan. Maybe take a break from it for awhile?
RunSup wrote: ↑07 Oct 2025 14:04 pm
It all depends on, ...
1. How he communicates with fans
2. What he is resourced and funded to do and over what time frame
3. Whether he does what he says he'll do
4. The tangible results.
The rub will come in #4. Fans will want immediate results. Everything he says he's doing are long term investments.
So when 2026 is another tank season, the bloom will come off the rose. (Or whatever the expression is)
and your number #4 .. the tangible results followed by 'the fans will want immediate results. There is the issue. Bloom is reworking the team for the long term and some fans want 'immediate results'. That is a very unlikely scenario
Bloom is a different type person than the arrogant and smug appearing MO. Bloom appears to like people and is going to get more leeway than Mo did. I think the fans know he is in a tough situation and will give him the benefit of the doubt for a while.
ecleme22 wrote: ↑07 Oct 2025 12:00 pm
You will always have the morons who will cry about trading, for instance, Arenado, because they are uber worried about who will play 3B in 2026.
The types who are pining for the short term fixes and can't see the big picture...
Arenado was so dumb not to accept that trade to Houston, where his pop fly bat would play much better. To see his hitting deteriorate so badly the last few years was rather surprising. The post-prime curve has been steep. Watching him not often even really swinging but feeling for the ball reminds me of Dylan Carlson in his final days here. There is little power in that swing anymore. And a lot of his singles are bloops.
The last 2 years, his AEV has plummeted to 86.3 and 86.8, his lowest in the Statcast era and down from 88.8 in 2023. And his hard hit% has fallen to 31.6% and 32.6% the last 2 years, also his lowest in the Statcast era and down from 38.1% in 2023. His ISO, of course, also has plummeted to .123 and .140, down from .193 in 2023.
And now he is vastly overpaid, which was kind of expected with a contract like that. The Cardinals are going to have to eat a large amount of that contract if they can even find any buyers at all. Or take a bad contract in return, and what does that accomplish? Bloom has a tough job ahead.
Maybe Nado had added reason(s) for not wanting to play in Houston that go beyond the ballpark factor. We don’t know.
We do know that he is expanding the list of teams as Nado indicated that in interviews.
Bloom and Nado will work out a trade .
I dont blame Arenado for not wanting to go to houston. He saw them dump tucker and lose other top players and figured they were going to struggle to make the playoffs and if youre going to be on a team that isnt likely to make the playoffs you had might as well stay where you already are and you and your family is comfortable and it turns out he was correct houston didnt make the playoffs this season either
I wouldn’t say they dumped Tucker. They got some good, mlb ready players in return.
I’m talking about from arenado pov all he saw was them dumping an MVP caliber player. It was probably hard to convince him that they are serious about winning when they got rid of him and it turns out he was right to be skeptical because again the astros and the cardinals were both officially still contenders going into the last of the season and both are in the same place watching the playoffs from home only arenado didn’t have to uproot his family to go miss the playoffs
timoevans wrote: ↑07 Oct 2025 09:37 am
If we have the same old lineup next year and we are still terrible will Card Nation turn on Bloom? Will he be allowed to do anything or will his orders be to get us to look like Tampa Bay or Miami?
CT turned on WJ
CT turned on JL
CT turned on WH
CT turned on TL
CT turned on MM
CT turned on MS
CT turned on MO
CT turned on Oli
CT turned on BDW
Bloom's next.
Quite a difference in the number of people who turned on some of those names.
And there was no Cards Talk when Whitey was around. So I don't know why he's on that list. And anyway, when you have a job like that, there is going to be accountability from the fans. As Harry said, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."
