Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?

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Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?

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The idea of Wetherholt and Donovan at 1/2 in the batting order is intriguing. Some might not agree, but I'll add, Wetherholt, Donovan and Burleson 1/2/3. Especially, vs RHP. Burleson seems well respected around the league vs RHP. And there's a pretty good chance Burly will stay at #3 against RHP with Marmol still making out the lineup. Maybe go with Herrera at #3 vs LHP. And Burleson down to #6 against LHP. It probably depends on what kind of addition/additions Bloom makes to the lineup.
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Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?

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Burleson is a singles hitter with runners on base and RISP....only 7 XBH with RISP last year 8O ....33 Hits and only 7 of them XBH. That can't be allowed in the 3rd Hole....bat him 6th or 7th. Maybe 9th if he can be taught to run faster in the offseason?...After all he's coming into a Made up Prime next year, so he's getting better...so we're told :roll:

This team can't afford anymore station to station running....Singles hitters in the 3rd hole are holding us back.

1. Wetherholt/Donovan
2. Herrera
3. Donovan/Wetherholt
4. Contreras
5. FA power bat, something better than 7 XBH with RISP
6. Winn
7. Burleson
8. Pick a strike out catcher
9. VS2
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Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?

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craviduce wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:11 pm Burleson is a singles hitter with runners on base and RISP....only 7 XBH with RISP last year 8O ....33 Hits and only 7 of them XBH. That can't be allowed in the 3rd Hole....bat him 6th or 7th. Maybe 9th if he can be taught to run faster in the offseason?...After all he's coming into a Made up Prime next year, so he's getting better...so we're told :roll:

This team can't afford anymore station to station running....Singles hitters in the 3rd hole are holding us back.

1. Wetherholt/Donovan
2. Herrera
3. Donovan/Wetherholt
4. Contreras
5. FA power bat, something better than 7 XBH with RISP
6. Winn
7. Burleson
8. Pick a strike out catcher
9. VS2
Burleson at #9 is ludicrous. You can't be that stupid on purpose. Prepare yourself to look foolish again on knocking Burleson as a MLB hitter. Just like the last two seasons. You never seem to learn.
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Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?

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Shady wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:12 pm
craviduce wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:11 pm Burleson is a singles hitter with runners on base and RISP....only 7 XBH with RISP last year 8O ....33 Hits and only 7 of them XBH. That can't be allowed in the 3rd Hole....bat him 6th or 7th. Maybe 9th if he can be taught to run faster in the offseason?...After all he's coming into a Made up Prime next year, so he's getting better...so we're told :roll:

This team can't afford anymore station to station running....Singles hitters in the 3rd hole are holding us back.

1. Wetherholt/Donovan
2. Herrera
3. Donovan/Wetherholt
4. Contreras
5. FA power bat, something better than 7 XBH with RISP
6. Winn
7. Burleson
8. Pick a strike out catcher
9. VS2
Burleson at #9 is ludicrous. You can't be that stupid on purpose. Prepare yourself to look foolish again on knocking Burleson as a MLB hitter.
if he's a singles hitter that gets on base, then he'll set up JJ to drive him in....JJ is a better hitter and driver of the ball in all situations. But that's only if the coaches can teach Burleson to run faster in the offseason. You said he was improving and coming into to some sort of Prime that you madeup...if this is true, then you must believe that the Cards trainers and coaches can teach him to run faster...thus opening up the 9 spot to him. That way he doesn't have to worry about the pressures and failures of hitting singles with RISP.
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Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?

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Shady wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:00 pm The idea of Wetherholt and Donovan at 1/2 in the batting order is intriguing. Some might not agree, but I'll add Wetherholt, Donovan and Burleson 1/2/3. Especially, vs RHP.
You've already done this thread topic. Multiple times.

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viewtopic.php?t=1516252
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viewtopic.php?t=1516206
viewtopic.php?t=1515579
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Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?

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craviduce wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:14 pm
Shady wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:12 pm
craviduce wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:11 pm Burleson is a singles hitter with runners on base and RISP....only 7 XBH with RISP last year 8O ....33 Hits and only 7 of them XBH. That can't be allowed in the 3rd Hole....bat him 6th or 7th. Maybe 9th if he can be taught to run faster in the offseason?...After all he's coming into a Made up Prime next year, so he's getting better...so we're told :roll:

This team can't afford anymore station to station running....Singles hitters in the 3rd hole are holding us back.

1. Wetherholt/Donovan
2. Herrera
3. Donovan/Wetherholt
4. Contreras
5. FA power bat, something better than 7 XBH with RISP
6. Winn
7. Burleson
8. Pick a strike out catcher
9. VS2
Burleson at #9 is ludicrous. You can't be that stupid on purpose. Prepare yourself to look foolish again on knocking Burleson as a MLB hitter.
if he's a singles hitter that gets on base, then he'll set up JJ to drive him in....JJ is a better hitter and driver of the ball in all situations.
"JJ is a better hitter and driver of the ball in all situations". If Wetherholt can hit as good as Burleson next season. It will be a bonanza.
"Singles hitters in the 3rd hole are holding us back". So are excessive strikeout rates batting at #2 or #3.
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Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?

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NYCardsFan wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:16 pm
Shady wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:00 pm The idea of Wetherholt and Donovan at 1/2 in the batting order is intriguing. Some might not agree, but I'll add Wetherholt, Donovan and Burleson 1/2/3. Especially, vs RHP.
You've already done this thread topic. Multiple times.

viewtopic.php?t=1516419
viewtopic.php?t=1516252
viewtopic.php?t=1516243
viewtopic.php?t=1516206
viewtopic.php?t=1515579
viewtopic.php?t=1514475
I guess he needed extra special attention today.... 4 or 5 new threads? Most of them repeats from other threads he's started.

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Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?

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Shady wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:16 pm
craviduce wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:14 pm
Shady wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:12 pm
craviduce wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:11 pm Burleson is a singles hitter with runners on base and RISP....only 7 XBH with RISP last year 8O ....33 Hits and only 7 of them XBH. That can't be allowed in the 3rd Hole....bat him 6th or 7th. Maybe 9th if he can be taught to run faster in the offseason?...After all he's coming into a Made up Prime next year, so he's getting better...so we're told :roll:

This team can't afford anymore station to station running....Singles hitters in the 3rd hole are holding us back.

1. Wetherholt/Donovan
2. Herrera
3. Donovan/Wetherholt
4. Contreras
5. FA power bat, something better than 7 XBH with RISP
6. Winn
7. Burleson
8. Pick a strike out catcher
9. VS2
Burleson at #9 is ludicrous. You can't be that stupid on purpose. Prepare yourself to look foolish again on knocking Burleson as a MLB hitter.
if he's a singles hitter that gets on base, then he'll set up JJ to drive him in....JJ is a better hitter and driver of the ball in all situations.
"JJ is a better hitter and driver of the ball in all situations". If Wetherholt can hit as good as Burleson next season. It will be a bonanza.
"Singles hitters in the 3rd hole are holding us back". DSo are excessive strikeout rates batting at #2 or #3.
I know you need Burleson to be this Mythical Gorman, but he's not.... JJ is a much better hitter than Burleson is. I liked Burleson's batting average this year, I was impressed with the amount of Singles he got with RISP. But he's no J.J.
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Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?

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craviduce wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:18 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:16 pm
Shady wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:00 pm The idea of Wetherholt and Donovan at 1/2 in the batting order is intriguing. Some might not agree, but I'll add Wetherholt, Donovan and Burleson 1/2/3. Especially, vs RHP.
You've already done this thread topic. Multiple times.

viewtopic.php?t=1516419
viewtopic.php?t=1516252
viewtopic.php?t=1516243
viewtopic.php?t=1516206
viewtopic.php?t=1515579
viewtopic.php?t=1514475
I guess he needed extra special attention today.... 4 or 5 new threads? Most of them repeats from other threads he's started.

Spammer-in-chief
Isn't it about time for you to "get lost" from the supervisory role you seem to feel you are entitled to on CT. Rest up for your reporting duties. The forum doesn't need your negativity. There are plenty of respectful posters interested in discussing baseball. Not causing trouble like you constantly try to do. By the way, your "Winn batting 6, Burleson at 7 vs RHP may be the stupidest suggestion I've ever witnessed on Cards Talk".
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Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?

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Shady wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:00 pm The idea of Wetherholt and Donovan at 1/2 in the batting order is intriguing. Some might not agree, but I'll add, Wetherholt, Donovan and Burleson 1/2/3. Especially, vs RHP. Burleson seems well respected around the league vs RHP. And there's a pretty good chance Burly will stay at #3 against RHP with Marmol still making out the lineup. Maybe go with Herrera at #3 vs LHP. And Burleson down to #6 against LHP. It probably depends on what kind of addition/additions Bloom makes to the lineup.
One of those 3 doesn’t belong with the others.

A 5-tool ROY candidate at leadoff, a proven utility gold glove veteran in the 2-spot…then F it all up by foolishly placing a 1-tool platoon/bench player for the all important 3-spot?

What’s with this delusional wet dream of Alec Burleson becoming an MVP? Is he a relative of yours or something?
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Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?

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NYCardsFan wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:16 pm
Shady wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:00 pm The idea of Wetherholt and Donovan at 1/2 in the batting order is intriguing. Some might not agree, but I'll add Wetherholt, Donovan and Burleson 1/2/3. Especially, vs RHP.
You've already done this thread topic. Multiple times.

viewtopic.php?t=1516419
viewtopic.php?t=1516252
viewtopic.php?t=1516243
viewtopic.php?t=1516206
viewtopic.php?t=1515579
viewtopic.php?t=1514475
+1...Shady and his troll buddy keep posting the same inane posts... it's really sad and pathetic...
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Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?

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Shady wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:20 pm
craviduce wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:18 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:16 pm
Shady wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:00 pm The idea of Wetherholt and Donovan at 1/2 in the batting order is intriguing. Some might not agree, but I'll add Wetherholt, Donovan and Burleson 1/2/3. Especially, vs RHP.
You've already done this thread topic. Multiple times.

viewtopic.php?t=1516419
viewtopic.php?t=1516252
viewtopic.php?t=1516243
viewtopic.php?t=1516206
viewtopic.php?t=1515579
viewtopic.php?t=1514475
I guess he needed extra special attention today.... 4 or 5 new threads? Most of them repeats from other threads he's started.

Spammer-in-chief
Isn't it about time for you to "get lost" from the supervisory role you seem to feel you are entitled to on CT. Rest up for your reporting duties. The forum doesn't need your negativity. There are plenty of respectful posters interested in discussing baseball. Not causing trouble like you constantly try to do. By the way, your "Winn batting 6, Burleson at 7 vs RHP may be the stupidest suggestion I've ever witnessed on Cards Talk".
No one here has a problem with Craviduce, yet no one can stand you. Have you ever wondered why?
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Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?

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Shady wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:20 pm
craviduce wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:18 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:16 pm
Shady wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:00 pm The idea of Wetherholt and Donovan at 1/2 in the batting order is intriguing. Some might not agree, but I'll add Wetherholt, Donovan and Burleson 1/2/3. Especially, vs RHP.
You've already done this thread topic. Multiple times.

viewtopic.php?t=1516419
viewtopic.php?t=1516252
viewtopic.php?t=1516243
viewtopic.php?t=1516206
viewtopic.php?t=1515579
viewtopic.php?t=1514475
I guess he needed extra special attention today.... 4 or 5 new threads? Most of them repeats from other threads he's started.

Spammer-in-chief
Isn't it about time for you to "get lost" from the supervisory role you seem to feel you are entitled to on CT. Rest up for your reporting duties. The forum doesn't need your negativity. There are plenty of respectful posters interested in discussing baseball. Not causing trouble like you constantly try to do. By the way, your "Winn batting 6, Burleson at 7 vs RHP may be the stupidest suggestion I've ever witnessed on Cards Talk".
I know...but Winn's 11 XBH with RISP vs. Burley's 7 XBH with RISP in fewer AB's, too.... Now, about the intelligence claim you just made :

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Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?

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To directly answer the OP’s question
“Maybe”
But then again I’ve answered this question as posed before.
I have a direct question for the OP:
“What do YOU think”??
Please answer the question instead of starting a duplicate thread tomorrow.....and Wednesday.....and etc!
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Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?

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craviduce wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:14 pm
Shady wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:12 pm
craviduce wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:11 pm Burleson is a singles hitter with runners on base and RISP....only 7 XBH with RISP last year 8O ....33 Hits and only 7 of them XBH. That can't be allowed in the 3rd Hole....bat him 6th or 7th. Maybe 9th if he can be taught to run faster in the offseason?...After all he's coming into a Made up Prime next year, so he's getting better...so we're told :roll:

This team can't afford anymore station to station running....Singles hitters in the 3rd hole are holding us back.

1. Wetherholt/Donovan
2. Herrera
3. Donovan/Wetherholt
4. Contreras
5. FA power bat, something better than 7 XBH with RISP
6. Winn
7. Burleson
8. Pick a strike out catcher
9. VS2
Burleson at #9 is ludicrous. You can't be that stupid on purpose. Prepare yourself to look foolish again on knocking Burleson as a MLB hitter.
if he's a singles hitter that gets on base, then he'll set up JJ to drive him in....JJ is a better hitter and driver of the ball in all situations. But that's only if the coaches can teach Burleson to run faster in the offseason. You said he was improving and coming into to some sort of Prime that you madeup...if this is true, then you must believe that the Cards trainers and coaches can teach him to run faster...thus opening up the 9 spot to him. That way he doesn't have to worry about the pressures and failures of hitting singles with RISP.
teach 'speed' - you can't make this sheet up ::crazya::
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Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?

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craviduce wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:40 pm
Shady wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:20 pm
craviduce wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:18 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:16 pm
Shady wrote: 05 Oct 2025 18:00 pm The idea of Wetherholt and Donovan at 1/2 in the batting order is intriguing. Some might not agree, but I'll add Wetherholt, Donovan and Burleson 1/2/3. Especially, vs RHP.
You've already done this thread topic. Multiple times.

viewtopic.php?t=1516419
viewtopic.php?t=1516252
viewtopic.php?t=1516243
viewtopic.php?t=1516206
viewtopic.php?t=1515579
viewtopic.php?t=1514475
I guess he needed extra special attention today.... 4 or 5 new threads? Most of them repeats from other threads he's started.

Spammer-in-chief
Isn't it about time for you to "get lost" from the supervisory role you seem to feel you are entitled to on CT. Rest up for your reporting duties. The forum doesn't need your negativity. There are plenty of respectful posters interested in discussing baseball. Not causing trouble like you constantly try to do. By the way, your "Winn batting 6, Burleson at 7 vs RHP may be the stupidest suggestion I've ever witnessed on Cards Talk".
I know...but Winn's 11 XBH with RISP vs. Burley's 7 XBH with RISP in fewer AB's, too.... Now, about the intelligence claim you just made :

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Winn's .253 BA, 9 HRs, 51 RBIs, .673 OPS. Compared to Burleson's numbers. No thanks. You are losing your asinine brain fart spar. Fortunately, your reporting is much better than your analytical ability and plain common sense.
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