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Bacchk29 wrote: 03 Oct 2025 10:29 am
Harry S Deals wrote: 03 Oct 2025 08:27 am
John Cocktoastin wrote: 03 Oct 2025 08:24 am Still have to find a way to pay for all these up and comers when that day comes. But, yeah, exciting times.

Credit the scouting and draft team, too.
Good point, Broberg and Holloway are going to get something like $8x8 and im guessing Mailloux may get the $4-$5 ish bridge sort of deal. The Blues should be in good shape in '26-'27 they can fill in around their big contracts with younger guys like Stenberg
They’re gonna cost more than that after the recent 9 mil signings. I don’t think the Blues will pay them either
Thats fatalistic i would disagree, there is no way the Blues let either of these guys go regardless of cost.
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seattleblue wrote: 03 Oct 2025 10:28 am hold on hold on

nothing short of incredible?

Broberg was not "exceptional" last season by any means. He was strong to start and he faded. Now, is that a major long term problem, no. Given his age and skillset he should be making leaps in his game now, but it still has to unfold. Two quick goals in a preseason game are not definitive.

Mailloux, I get why some are optimistic. It has to even begin to unfold at the NHL level and he has to show he's not an outright defensive liability.

Parayko peaking into an offensive prime is very helpful

I like numerous defensive prospects but there are more stellar players emerging into the league elsewhere as well.

If certain players beat timelines and lock down spots, thinking of Dvorsky and Stenberg here, and them doing it by Christmas, suddenly the Blues are going to feel like they have a luxury of prospects to package at the deadline to get a real horse on D. I am not sure how I feel about that but that's because the attachment to whomever might be getting packaged not the overall strategy which is sound.
68 GP 8gs 21 assists 29 pts +21 20:30 that is exceptional, yep he got hurt unfortunately or he would have been pushing 40+ pts in his full NHL season. Without looking he had 11pts in his first 13 GP or something close. Bottom line is goals scored against the Blues while Broberg is on the ice is very very rare and this is with paired with Faulk mostly.

2pts +9 in the Jets series he was outstanding, expect more of the same this year
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Harry S Deals wrote: 03 Oct 2025 11:02 am
seattleblue wrote: 03 Oct 2025 10:28 am hold on hold on

nothing short of incredible?

Broberg was not "exceptional" last season by any means. He was strong to start and he faded. Now, is that a major long term problem, no. Given his age and skillset he should be making leaps in his game now, but it still has to unfold. Two quick goals in a preseason game are not definitive.

Mailloux, I get why some are optimistic. It has to even begin to unfold at the NHL level and he has to show he's not an outright defensive liability.

Parayko peaking into an offensive prime is very helpful

I like numerous defensive prospects but there are more stellar players emerging into the league elsewhere as well.

If certain players beat timelines and lock down spots, thinking of Dvorsky and Stenberg here, and them doing it by Christmas, suddenly the Blues are going to feel like they have a luxury of prospects to package at the deadline to get a real horse on D. I am not sure how I feel about that but that's because the attachment to whomever might be getting packaged not the overall strategy which is sound.
68 GP 8gs 21 assists 29 pts +21 20:30 that is exceptional, yep he got hurt unfortunately or he would have been pushing 40+ pts in his full NHL season. Without looking he had 11pts in his first 13 GP or something close. Bottom line is goals scored against the Blues while Broberg is on the ice is very very rare and this is with paired with Faulk mostly.

2pts +9 in the Jets series he was outstanding, expect more of the same this year
He had a very strong start and was not as strong in the second half. I think this is merely semantic about standards for the E word (exceptional), not a big deal
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Bacchk29 wrote: 03 Oct 2025 10:29 am
Harry S Deals wrote: 03 Oct 2025 08:27 am
John Cocktoastin wrote: 03 Oct 2025 08:24 am Still have to find a way to pay for all these up and comers when that day comes. But, yeah, exciting times.

Credit the scouting and draft team, too.
Good point, Broberg and Holloway are going to get something like $8x8 and im guessing Mailloux may get the $4-$5 ish bridge sort of deal. The Blues should be in good shape in '26-'27 they can fill in around their big contracts with younger guys like Stenberg
They’re gonna cost more than that after the recent 9 mil signings. I don’t think the Blues will pay them either
Blues won’t WANT to go higher than Thomas/Kyrou/Buch deals, but will they buck up an extra $1M? Hard to say. 50/50 right now
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seattleblue wrote: 03 Oct 2025 11:14 am
Harry S Deals wrote: 03 Oct 2025 11:02 am
seattleblue wrote: 03 Oct 2025 10:28 am hold on hold on

nothing short of incredible?

Broberg was not "exceptional" last season by any means. He was strong to start and he faded. Now, is that a major long term problem, no. Given his age and skillset he should be making leaps in his game now, but it still has to unfold. Two quick goals in a preseason game are not definitive.

Mailloux, I get why some are optimistic. It has to even begin to unfold at the NHL level and he has to show he's not an outright defensive liability.

Parayko peaking into an offensive prime is very helpful

I like numerous defensive prospects but there are more stellar players emerging into the league elsewhere as well.

If certain players beat timelines and lock down spots, thinking of Dvorsky and Stenberg here, and them doing it by Christmas, suddenly the Blues are going to feel like they have a luxury of prospects to package at the deadline to get a real horse on D. I am not sure how I feel about that but that's because the attachment to whomever might be getting packaged not the overall strategy which is sound.
68 GP 8gs 21 assists 29 pts +21 20:30 that is exceptional, yep he got hurt unfortunately or he would have been pushing 40+ pts in his full NHL season. Without looking he had 11pts in his first 13 GP or something close. Bottom line is goals scored against the Blues while Broberg is on the ice is very very rare and this is with paired with Faulk mostly.

2pts +9 in the Jets series he was outstanding, expect more of the same this year
He had a very strong start and was not as strong in the second half. I think this is merely semantic about standards for the E word (exceptional), not a big deal
I think whether Broberg was “exceptional” really depends on what you’re comparing him to. Relative to expectations, I’d agree he was exceptional, he performed well above what I expected from him in his first full season, and probably above what most of us realistically thought we’d see. But relative to the NHL as a whole, I wouldn’t quite put him in that category yet. “Exceptional” at the league level is reserved for the very top defensemen, and while Broberg was very good, he’s still a step below that tier.

Finally, I think the Blues will pay for both Broberg and Holloway. Even if it goes higher than Thomas/Kyrou contracts, that's the new reality of NHL salaries and teams will have to accept it to remain competitive.
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netboy65 wrote: 03 Oct 2025 12:28 pm
Bacchk29 wrote: 03 Oct 2025 10:29 am
Harry S Deals wrote: 03 Oct 2025 08:27 am
John Cocktoastin wrote: 03 Oct 2025 08:24 am Still have to find a way to pay for all these up and comers when that day comes. But, yeah, exciting times.

Credit the scouting and draft team, too.
Good point, Broberg and Holloway are going to get something like $8x8 and im guessing Mailloux may get the $4-$5 ish bridge sort of deal. The Blues should be in good shape in '26-'27 they can fill in around their big contracts with younger guys like Stenberg
They’re gonna cost more than that after the recent 9 mil signings. I don’t think the Blues will pay them either
Blues won’t WANT to go higher than Thomas/Kyrou/Buch deals, but will they buck up an extra $1M? Hard to say. 50/50 right now
Those deals particularly Thomas and Kyrou are irrelevant in light of the large increases we are seeing in the cap vs when those deals were signed. If the Blues try to keep players under those numbers, then prepare to be outbid consistently for talent and lose the talent we develop.
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LGB73 wrote: 03 Oct 2025 12:43 pm
netboy65 wrote: 03 Oct 2025 12:28 pm
Bacchk29 wrote: 03 Oct 2025 10:29 am
Harry S Deals wrote: 03 Oct 2025 08:27 am
John Cocktoastin wrote: 03 Oct 2025 08:24 am Still have to find a way to pay for all these up and comers when that day comes. But, yeah, exciting times.

Credit the scouting and draft team, too.
Good point, Broberg and Holloway are going to get something like $8x8 and im guessing Mailloux may get the $4-$5 ish bridge sort of deal. The Blues should be in good shape in '26-'27 they can fill in around their big contracts with younger guys like Stenberg
They’re gonna cost more than that after the recent 9 mil signings. I don’t think the Blues will pay them either
Blues won’t WANT to go higher than Thomas/Kyrou/Buch deals, but will they buck up an extra $1M? Hard to say. 50/50 right now
Those deals particularly Thomas and Kyrou are irrelevant in light of the large increases we are seeing in the cap vs when those deals were signed. If the Blues try to keep players under those numbers, then prepare to be outbid consistently for talent and lose the talent we develop.
I would be shocked if this management wouldnt pay these two players in particular. they already knew where these contracts were likely going. We've seen the 3rd contract become an issue in the past , the contract that would take players deep into their 30s the Blues have sometimes been reluctant to lock into
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John Cocktoastin wrote: 03 Oct 2025 08:24 am
Still have to find a way to pay for all these up and comers when that day comes. But, yeah, exciting times.

Credit the scouting and draft team, too.
The key to Army’s strategy is avoiding top 5 draft picks. So instead of having one guy make $17 million, we have several players making $7-$8 million. It’s a brilliant strategy, but not one I would expect the simple minded to understand!

:lol:
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theograce wrote: 03 Oct 2025 10:23 am Blues have won one playoff series since the Cup and just came off one of the biggest playoff chokes in history.

Yet we are being told to rejoice.
What an outstanding and off topic post.
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fish wrote: 03 Oct 2025 13:34 pm
theograce wrote: 03 Oct 2025 10:23 am Blues have won one playoff series since the Cup and just came off one of the biggest playoff chokes in history.

Yet we are being told to rejoice.
What an outstanding and off topic post.
Taking a theme from the OP is off topic how?
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theograce wrote: 03 Oct 2025 13:57 pm
fish wrote: 03 Oct 2025 13:34 pm
theograce wrote: 03 Oct 2025 10:23 am Blues have won one playoff series since the Cup and just came off one of the biggest playoff chokes in history.

Yet we are being told to rejoice.
What an outstanding and off topic post.
Taking a theme from the OP is off topic how?
Because it’s about the future not rejoicing on the past. I would think they teach that distinction in Calgary.
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fish wrote: 03 Oct 2025 14:06 pm
theograce wrote: 03 Oct 2025 13:57 pm
fish wrote: 03 Oct 2025 13:34 pm
theograce wrote: 03 Oct 2025 10:23 am Blues have won one playoff series since the Cup and just came off one of the biggest playoff chokes in history.

Yet we are being told to rejoice.
What an outstanding and off topic post.
Taking a theme from the OP is off topic how?
Because it’s about the future not rejoicing on the past. I would think they teach that distinction in Calgary.
So I/we are supposed to rejoice the future? You seem to want to make it personal now…how come
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Nobody is telling me to rejoice. I look at this Blues team and I like what I see. I also see the team being sustainable barring significant injuries or defections, assuming ownership will spend to the cap.

1. The goaltending should be solid
2. The defensemen should challenge for the league lead in goals and they figure to be above average defensively
3. There is enough offense; Neighbours, Schenn/Suter, and the prospects provide solid top-6 depth
4. Solid coaching, GM, ownership

They aren't favored to win anything but the team is capable of competing in the Division and making a run. LGB!
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theograce wrote: 03 Oct 2025 14:20 pm
fish wrote: 03 Oct 2025 14:06 pm
theograce wrote: 03 Oct 2025 13:57 pm
fish wrote: 03 Oct 2025 13:34 pm
theograce wrote: 03 Oct 2025 10:23 am Blues have won one playoff series since the Cup and just came off one of the biggest playoff chokes in history.

Yet we are being told to rejoice.
What an outstanding and off topic post.
Taking a theme from the OP is off topic how?
Because it’s about the future not rejoicing on the past. I would think they teach that distinction in Calgary.
So I/we are supposed to rejoice the future? You seem to want to make it personal now…how come
You don’t have to rejoice if you don’t want to. Not personal. Didn’t call you names or mention Petro. It always seemed silly to me when people talk badly about the best defenseman this team has drafted as a shot against you
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DawgDad wrote: 03 Oct 2025 14:21 pm Nobody is telling me to rejoice. I look at this Blues team and I like what I see. I also see the team being sustainable barring significant injuries or defections, assuming ownership will spend to the cap.

1. The goaltending should be solid
2. The defensemen should challenge for the league lead in goals and they figure to be above average defensively
3. There is enough offense; Neighbours, Schenn/Suter, and the prospects provide solid top-6 depth
4. Solid coaching, GM, ownership

They aren't favored to win anything but the team is capable of competing in the Division and making a run. LGB!
This 100%

To some of the other posters. I am not sure I see "FANS" in people who seem to love the team to do poorly, hate the quick rebuild, and do everything to deny the well documented exciting position we are all in as Blues fans. How is this? In the time Buffalo has been at a rebuild the Blues fans have been on this edge of really exciting and it looks really hopeful twice!! With one cup win!
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dr0zombie wrote: 03 Oct 2025 14:33 pm
DawgDad wrote: 03 Oct 2025 14:21 pm Nobody is telling me to rejoice. I look at this Blues team and I like what I see. I also see the team being sustainable barring significant injuries or defections, assuming ownership will spend to the cap.

1. The goaltending should be solid
2. The defensemen should challenge for the league lead in goals and they figure to be above average defensively
3. There is enough offense; Neighbours, Schenn/Suter, and the prospects provide solid top-6 depth
4. Solid coaching, GM, ownership

They aren't favored to win anything but the team is capable of competing in the Division and making a run. LGB!
This 100%

To some of the other posters. I am not sure I see "FANS" in people who seem to love the team to do poorly, hate the quick rebuild, and do everything to deny the well documented exciting position we are all in as Blues fans. How is this? In the time Buffalo has been at a rebuild the Blues fans have been on this edge of really exciting and it looks really hopeful twice!! With one cup win!
As a fan since the early 70sI could not agree more!!!
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