Luke hughes 9mil per

[rangergiff]

That's not how you should look at kaprizov vs Mcdavid tho. Hockey is messed up because the revenue isn't as cut and dry as the NFL and NBA. (not talking about MLB because that's a whole different mess)

Hockey at times underperforms immensely from a TV standpoint so there isn't a bonified bottom dollar that the league is working off of. I think it is getting better and if it wasn't for covid we might already have been there. But McDavid, Mackinnon, Kaprizov, Pasta, Drai, Makar, Matthews, Marner. Those guys should all be signing at the max deal, whatever that dollar amount is. But they aren't there as a league yet.

I think we are arguing the same side. The only difference is you seem to think those players will not get the 20+million. I on the other hand believe that the big market teams will in fact sign those big contracts and thus bankrupt the small/mid market teams ultimately sending the NHL to another lockout.

[STL fan in MN]

That's not how you should look at kaprizov vs Mcdavid tho. Hockey is messed up because the revenue isn't as cut and dry as the NFL and NBA. (not talking about MLB because that's a whole different mess)

Hockey at times underperforms immensely from a TV standpoint so there isn't a bonified bottom dollar that the league is working off of. I think it is getting better and if it wasn't for covid we might already have been there. But McDavid, Mackinnon, Kaprizov, Pasta, Drai, Makar, Matthews, Marner. Those guys should all be signing at the max deal, whatever that dollar amount is. But they aren't there as a league yet.

I think we are arguing the same side. The only difference is you seem to think those players will not get the 20+million. I on the other hand believe that the big market teams will in fact sign those big contracts and thus bankrupt the small/mid market teams ultimately sending the NHL to another lockout.

You clearly don’t know how the CBA works, specifically how the Cap is tied to league revenues and how the players and owners split revenues 50/50.

[callitwhatyouwant]

That's not how you should look at kaprizov vs Mcdavid tho. Hockey is messed up because the revenue isn't as cut and dry as the NFL and NBA. (not talking about MLB because that's a whole different mess)

Hockey at times underperforms immensely from a TV standpoint so there isn't a bonified bottom dollar that the league is working off of. I think it is getting better and if it wasn't for covid we might already have been there. But McDavid, Mackinnon, Kaprizov, Pasta, Drai, Makar, Matthews, Marner. Those guys should all be signing at the max deal, whatever that dollar amount is. But they aren't there as a league yet.

I think we are arguing the same side. The only difference is you seem to think those players will not get the 20+million. I on the other hand believe that the big market teams will in fact sign those big contracts and thus bankrupt the small/mid market teams ultimately sending the NHL to another lockout.

You clearly don’t know how the CBA works, specifically how the Cap is tied to league revenues and how the players and owners split revenues 50/50.

You might know but googling didn't find anything out for me. Has there ever been a "max deal" in hockey? I don't think I have ever seen a team offer the maximum dollar amount to a player before. I wonder what it is going to take for the league to get to that contract. Do they need to have a 5 year or 10 year sustainable growth pattern? It's interesting that of the salary capped leagues. Hockey is such a weird sport for contracts in my opinion. It's much easier to understand the Basketball and NFL logic. Basketball they have a put in place MAX so 1 player doesn't hijack the league because they definitely can. NFL the players constantly renegotiate which I'm not a big fan of but you can understand why it works. NHL is the inbetween where they sign like basketball players, but under value like NFL.

[Frank Underwood]

Well, the Ducks just gave Jackson Lacombe an 8 year deal at $9 mil/year, so I guess that’s the new going rate for up and coming young defensemen. After these last two deals, I’d say it’s good to be Philip Broberg!

[STL fan in MN]

That's not how you should look at kaprizov vs Mcdavid tho. Hockey is messed up because the revenue isn't as cut and dry as the NFL and NBA. (not talking about MLB because that's a whole different mess)

Hockey at times underperforms immensely from a TV standpoint so there isn't a bonified bottom dollar that the league is working off of. I think it is getting better and if it wasn't for covid we might already have been there. But McDavid, Mackinnon, Kaprizov, Pasta, Drai, Makar, Matthews, Marner. Those guys should all be signing at the max deal, whatever that dollar amount is. But they aren't there as a league yet.

I think we are arguing the same side. The only difference is you seem to think those players will not get the 20+million. I on the other hand believe that the big market teams will in fact sign those big contracts and thus bankrupt the small/mid market teams ultimately sending the NHL to another lockout.

You clearly don’t know how the CBA works, specifically how the Cap is tied to league revenues and how the players and owners split revenues 50/50.

You might know but googling didn't find anything out for me. Has there ever been a "max deal" in hockey? I don't think I have ever seen a team offer the maximum dollar amount to a player before. I wonder what it is going to take for the league to get to that contract. Do they need to have a 5 year or 10 year sustainable growth pattern? It's interesting that of the salary capped leagues. Hockey is such a weird sport for contracts in my opinion. It's much easier to understand the Basketball and NFL logic. Basketball they have a put in place MAX so 1 player doesn't hijack the league because they definitely can. NFL the players constantly renegotiate which I'm not a big fan of but you can understand why it works. NHL is the inbetween where they sign like basketball players, but under value like NFL.

The maximum a contract can be is 20% of the current Cap. So today, that would be a contract worth $19.1M AAV. To my knowledge, no player has ever been signed to a max contract yet. McDavid’s was 15.72% of the cap back when he signed it 7 years ago. Kaprizov’s that he signed last week was a bit more.

To me, with 23 roster spots to fill, I’m not sure I could ever justify 20% of the max I could pay the entire team go to 1 player.

[Mr.Snuggleupagus]

Broberg $$$$

[rangergiff]

Going to be harder and harder for the Blues to be a cap team. Small/Mid market teams are gonna have to work hard to stay competitive with these quickly rising salaries. I see tickets and concessions rising at a higher rate in the future.

[blues2112]

https://www.nhl.com/news/luke-hughes-si ... sey-devils

Get ready for the broberg numbers

I’m thinking we get Broberg for around 7 x $7.5 when he signs. And while they are at it, guessing Holloway gets something similar to McTavish/Johnston money, which would be in the $7m to $8.25m. Don’t see him exceeding Thomas or Kyrou.

That's the real pickle, though.

At 8.5m, that's too much of a bargain to be the Blues' ceiling at the rate the cap is growing. By the time our recent first rounders are all on their second contracts, 8.5m might well be the going rate - especially as more and more players are opting for longer term second deals and buying into their UFA periods.

Would Steen go 10Mx7 for Dvorsky, if he looks like a 60 pt, 2-way center? Would doing so upset the locker room?

What?!?!?!??
and
What!?!?!?!?!

[moose-and-squirrel]

https://www.nhl.com/news/luke-hughes-si ... sey-devils

Get ready for the broberg numbers

I’m thinking we get Broberg for around 7 x $7.5 when he signs. And while they are at it, guessing Holloway gets something similar to McTavish/Johnston money, which would be in the $7m to $8.25m. Don’t see him exceeding Thomas or Kyrou.

That's the real pickle, though.

At 8.5m, that's too much of a bargain to be the Blues' ceiling at the rate the cap is growing. By the time our recent first rounders are all on their second contracts, 8.5m might well be the going rate - especially as more and more players are opting for longer term second deals and buying into their UFA periods.

Would Steen go 10Mx7 for Dvorsky, if he looks like a 60 pt, 2-way center? Would doing so upset the locker room?

What?!?!?!??
and
What!?!?!?!?!

yeah... WAY too early on the DVO thing

[Army's Mom]

https://www.nhl.com/news/luke-hughes-si ... sey-devils

Get ready for the broberg numbers

I’m thinking we get Broberg for around 7 x $7.5 when he signs. And while they are at it, guessing Holloway gets something similar to McTavish/Johnston money, which would be in the $7m to $8.25m. Don’t see him exceeding Thomas or Kyrou.

That's the real pickle, though.

At 8.5m, that's too much of a bargain to be the Blues' ceiling at the rate the cap is growing. By the time our recent first rounders are all on their second contracts, 8.5m might well be the going rate - especially as more and more players are opting for longer term second deals and buying into their UFA periods.

Would Steen go 10Mx7 for Dvorsky, if he looks like a 60 pt, 2-way center? Would doing so upset the locker room?

What?!?!?!??
and
What!?!?!?!?!

yeah... WAY too early on the DVO thing

I agree its early.
But if he develops into a solid 2 way center scoring 60 pts in 3 year's time, and decides to forego a bridge deal (as a lot of younger players seem to be doing), the market rate for his age and that production and role would be pretty close to 9-10m at the rate its going.

Its not at all far fetched that Dvorsky (or another of that wave of prospects) breaks the present Thomas ceiling.

[TAFKAP]

The guy looks to be a good one. But last I saw. 4.5 would be a over payment.

So being serious, what would YOU do? Would you actually offer that? He's not signing for that now. Would you trade him now, or wait? You want picks or younger prospects? You definitely has an eye that is different than most who watch hockey, and most of the national writers. What do you see?

[bluetunehead]

I would do this all day long over giving Kaprizov 17 million a year. This seems a bargain in comparison.

Well that is apples to oranges, Hughes is 22 years old coming off his entry level deal with lots of team control and Kaprizov is 28 years old and was about to be a UFA with not team control.

Kaprizovs bridge deal was also 9 million

All I'm saying is that if he is worth 17 million a year then McDavid is worth 25 million. Mackinnon, Makar, Hughes, Kuch and Pasta are all gonna be north of 20 million. It's not sustainable is my point.

The max for an individual player is 20% of the cap. For McDavid’s next contract (starting 26-27) that will be 20.9M. So he will not be getting 25M.

No player has ever actually signed a max deal and to my knowledge Kaprizov is the only one who has even gone over 16% of the cap. Even if McDavid signs for 17%, which would be the highest percentage ever, it would still be a 17.7M deal.

I know Kaprizov gave everyone some sticker shock but it’s not like guys are going to start blowing his deal out of the water. Minnesota overpaid to keep their star in a small market.

[Cahokanut]

https://www.nhl.com/news/luke-hughes-si ... sey-devils

Get ready for the broberg numbers

I’m thinking we get Broberg for around 7 x $7.5 when he signs. And while they are at it, guessing Holloway gets something similar to McTavish/Johnston money, which would be in the $7m to $8.25m. Don’t see him exceeding Thomas or Kyrou.

Holy [shirt]. 7.5 on potential I guess.
The guy looks to be a good one. But last I saw. 4.5 would be a over payment.
However. Since, Army did it. 7.5 might be about right for what we've seen.

I doubt broberg accepts 7.5 if they offered it. Especially if they wait till mid season or offseason and hes having a good year.

A lot depends on the season he is having. I'd think.
Imo if it looks like what I saw last year. I wouldn't put down 7.
On the other side. If going good. No way he takes under 7