Our trades won't yield much and if we don't buy any free agents: How does this lineup play?

[Midrange Jay]

The play is to trade BD, SG, NA and maybe WC and AB.

If you are low on players, sign some vets to one year deals and flip them at the deadline.

What do you mean “if” we are low on players? If we trade Gray, we have no starting pitchers that have pitched a complete season.

No matter if Gray is traded or not, they will most likely have to pick up one or two starters via FA. Prob one year deals.

If they trade Gray, they will have to pick up one more.

They will definitely be short on players and will have to acquire some talent. I'm guessing they may also grab a flippable OFer too.

Oh, ok. The Stockholm syndrome is so bad in this forum that it seems like some people believe that clearing all major league players with contracts is the goal.

[Jatalk]

Let's say the trade Walker and Nootbaar for unknown minor league assets. I don't know how the bull pen shapes out, but I put Pallante there for sure.

How does this lineup play in 2026? Based on what we heard, I'd say it may be what we will get or something similar to this. Burleson in RF is a disaster, but he hits. Arenado may not be able to be moved for what they'd want. I'd like Burleson to get as many plate appearances as possible. Herrera is a injury concern in LF. Not sure he can last. Gorman only in field if absolutely necessary.

Starting lineup

2nd Base—Wetherholt
LF – Donovan/Herrera
1st Base—Contreras
RF—Burleson
DH--Gorman/Herrera --Bounce back year
3rd Base—Arenado--Bounce back year
SS—Winn
C—Pages/Crooks--Hope for Improvements
CF—Scott/Church--Hope for Improvements


Rotation

Gray
Doyle
Liberatore
McGreevy
Mathews/Leahy

Bull Pen

Pallante
Graceffo
Mathews/Leahy
Matt Svanson
JoJo Romero
Riley O'Brien
Tink Hence??

I keep going back and forth on Arenado. I really wanted him gone to make room for younger player. Now I’m concerned we do not have anyone to play an adequate 3rd. But I would like to see him gone and let JJ or Donovan or even Winn play third. (that’s right Winn, stop laughing). With him gone and I hate to say it trade WC I would hope enough payroll opens up RH outfielder with some stroke.

I want Donovan playing somewhere daily. Not share a position and I want him at second. But I have a feeling he gets traded.

I sort of think we might have enough pitching with maybe some adds but not a big name.

If you dump Gorman, Walker, Noot and stop depending on them on a daily basis you are better off.

[Melville]

Let's say the trade Walker and Nootbaar for unknown minor league assets. I don't know how the bull pen shapes out, but I put Pallante there for sure.

How does this lineup play in 2026? Based on what we heard, I'd say it may be what we will get or something similar to this. Burleson in RF is a disaster, but he hits. Arenado may not be able to be moved for what they'd want. I'd like Burleson to get as many plate appearances as possible. Herrera is a injury concern in LF. Not sure he can last. Gorman only in field if absolutely necessary.

Starting lineup

2nd Base—Wetherholt
LF – Donovan/Herrera
1st Base—Contreras
RF—Burleson
DH--Gorman/Herrera --Bounce back year
3rd Base—Arenado--Bounce back year
SS—Winn
C—Pages/Crooks--Hope for Improvements
CF—Scott/Church--Hope for Improvements


Rotation

Gray
Doyle
Liberatore
McGreevy
Mathews/Leahy

Bull Pen

Pallante
Graceffo
Mathews/Leahy
Matt Svanson
JoJo Romero
Riley O'Brien
Tink Hence??

I keep going back and forth on Arenado. I really wanted him gone to make room for younger player. Now I’m concerned we do not have anyone to play an adequate 3rd. But I would like to see him gone and let JJ or Donovan or even Winn play third. (that’s right Winn, stop laughing). With him gone and I hate to say it trade WC I would hope enough payroll opens up RH outfielder with some stroke.

I want Donovan playing somewhere daily. Not share a position and I want him at second. But I have a feeling he gets traded.

I sort of think we might have enough pitching with maybe some adds but not a big name.

If you dump Gorman, Walker, Noot and stop depending on them on a daily basis you are better off.

I expect Walker and Lars the Human Sushi-baar will be traded.
Gorman could be as well - but that would be a mistake.
The team must keep what power it has.

[timoevans]

Looks like a last place team and will draw 1.9 million at best. People are tired of spending good money to watch a minor league team!

[Jatalk]

Let's say the trade Walker and Nootbaar for unknown minor league assets. I don't know how the bull pen shapes out, but I put Pallante there for sure.

How does this lineup play in 2026? Based on what we heard, I'd say it may be what we will get or something similar to this. Burleson in RF is a disaster, but he hits. Arenado may not be able to be moved for what they'd want. I'd like Burleson to get as many plate appearances as possible. Herrera is a injury concern in LF. Not sure he can last. Gorman only in field if absolutely necessary.

Starting lineup

2nd Base—Wetherholt
LF – Donovan/Herrera
1st Base—Contreras
RF—Burleson
DH--Gorman/Herrera --Bounce back year
3rd Base—Arenado--Bounce back year
SS—Winn
C—Pages/Crooks--Hope for Improvements
CF—Scott/Church--Hope for Improvements


Rotation

Gray
Doyle
Liberatore
McGreevy
Mathews/Leahy

Bull Pen

Pallante
Graceffo
Mathews/Leahy
Matt Svanson
JoJo Romero
Riley O'Brien
Tink Hence??

I keep going back and forth on Arenado. I really wanted him gone to make room for younger player. Now I’m concerned we do not have anyone to play an adequate 3rd. But I would like to see him gone and let JJ or Donovan or even Winn play third. (that’s right Winn, stop laughing). With him gone and I hate to say it trade WC I would hope enough payroll opens up RH outfielder with some stroke.

I want Donovan playing somewhere daily. Not share a position and I want him at second. But I have a feeling he gets traded.

I sort of think we might have enough pitching with maybe some adds but not a big name.

If you dump Gorman, Walker, Noot and stop depending on them on a daily basis you are better off.

I expect Walker and Lars the Human Sushi-baar will be traded.
Gorman could be as well - but that would be a mistake.
The team must keep what power it has.

I’ve read your post regarding power and Gorman. I can buy into that but he is not an everyday third baseman. I do not like having so many players not having a defensive position. I’m throwing IH in that category. I’m not looking for gold glove but adequate.

[ecleme22]

Let's say the trade Walker and Nootbaar for unknown minor league assets. I don't know how the bull pen shapes out, but I put Pallante there for sure.

How does this lineup play in 2026? Based on what we heard, I'd say it may be what we will get or something similar to this. Burleson in RF is a disaster, but he hits. Arenado may not be able to be moved for what they'd want. I'd like Burleson to get as many plate appearances as possible. Herrera is a injury concern in LF. Not sure he can last. Gorman only in field if absolutely necessary.

Starting lineup

2nd Base—Wetherholt
LF – Donovan/Herrera
1st Base—Contreras
RF—Burleson
DH--Gorman/Herrera --Bounce back year
3rd Base—Arenado--Bounce back year
SS—Winn
C—Pages/Crooks--Hope for Improvements
CF—Scott/Church--Hope for Improvements


Rotation

Gray
Doyle
Liberatore
McGreevy
Mathews/Leahy

Bull Pen

Pallante
Graceffo
Mathews/Leahy
Matt Svanson
JoJo Romero
Riley O'Brien
Tink Hence??

I keep going back and forth on Arenado. I really wanted him gone to make room for younger player. Now I’m concerned we do not have anyone to play an adequate 3rd. But I would like to see him gone and let JJ or Donovan or even Winn play third. (that’s right Winn, stop laughing). With him gone and I hate to say it trade WC I would hope enough payroll opens up RH outfielder with some stroke.

I want Donovan playing somewhere daily. Not share a position and I want him at second. But I have a feeling he gets traded.

I sort of think we might have enough pitching with maybe some adds but not a big name.

If you dump Gorman, Walker, Noot and stop depending on them on a daily basis you are better off.

Why do people think that Arenado is the only person on earth who can play 3B?

BLOOM NEEDS TO TRADE ARENADO.

I don't care if the team signs an ALL GLOVE infielder for 1mil to play 3b, NA needs to be gone.

[rockondlouie]

Ugly

That's an 85-90 loss lineup

[Melville]

Let's say the trade Walker and Nootbaar for unknown minor league assets. I don't know how the bull pen shapes out, but I put Pallante there for sure.

How does this lineup play in 2026? Based on what we heard, I'd say it may be what we will get or something similar to this. Burleson in RF is a disaster, but he hits. Arenado may not be able to be moved for what they'd want. I'd like Burleson to get as many plate appearances as possible. Herrera is a injury concern in LF. Not sure he can last. Gorman only in field if absolutely necessary.

Starting lineup

2nd Base—Wetherholt
LF – Donovan/Herrera
1st Base—Contreras
RF—Burleson
DH--Gorman/Herrera --Bounce back year
3rd Base—Arenado--Bounce back year
SS—Winn
C—Pages/Crooks--Hope for Improvements
CF—Scott/Church--Hope for Improvements


Rotation

Gray
Doyle
Liberatore
McGreevy
Mathews/Leahy

Bull Pen

Pallante
Graceffo
Mathews/Leahy
Matt Svanson
JoJo Romero
Riley O'Brien
Tink Hence??

I keep going back and forth on Arenado. I really wanted him gone to make room for younger player. Now I’m concerned we do not have anyone to play an adequate 3rd. But I would like to see him gone and let JJ or Donovan or even Winn play third. (that’s right Winn, stop laughing). With him gone and I hate to say it trade WC I would hope enough payroll opens up RH outfielder with some stroke.

I want Donovan playing somewhere daily. Not share a position and I want him at second. But I have a feeling he gets traded.

I sort of think we might have enough pitching with maybe some adds but not a big name.

If you dump Gorman, Walker, Noot and stop depending on them on a daily basis you are better off.

I expect Walker and Lars the Human Sushi-baar will be traded.
Gorman could be as well - but that would be a mistake.
The team must keep what power it has.

I’ve read your post regarding power and Gorman. I can buy into that but he is not an everyday third baseman. I do not like having so many players not having a defensive position. I’m throwing IH in that category. I’m not looking for gold glove but adequate.

Gorman's glove is fine at 3b.
He made several throwing errors when he initially moved back to 3b (completely different throws are required than from 2b), but after that brief stint, he did well.
Will he have N/A's range?
No.
But, but he will make the plays that an average 3b should make.
And, his arm is currently far stronger than N/A's.
Bottom line.
It is never about one player at one spot.
It is always about a lineup being a greater (or lesser) sum than its parts.
That has been in true in MLB for over 100 years.
Like it or not, STL needs power.
They need to play Gorman daily for the first 100 games next year - and then assess.
What is the alternative?
N/A?
He's washed up.
Sagesse?
OBP the same as Gorman, OPS less than Gorman, just 2 RH in 295 PA's, and his runs scored/RBI production are lower as well.
Donovan?
Not enough power and not enough arm for 3B - and his bat is desperately needed to shore up the horrendous STL outfield.
Wetherholt?
He is needed at 2b which allows Donovan to move to LF.
No one is saying STL has the perfect solution at 3B.
But Gorman is the best current option for 2026 - and the upside is simply too high to dispose of too quickly.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Looks like a last place team and will draw 1.9 million at best. People are tired of spending good money to watch a minor league team!

I'll take the over.

[Ozziesfan41]

Let's say the trade Walker and Nootbaar for unknown minor league assets. I don't know how the bull pen shapes out, but I put Pallante there for sure.

How does this lineup play in 2026? Based on what we heard, I'd say it may be what we will get or something similar to this. Burleson in RF is a disaster, but he hits. Arenado may not be able to be moved for what they'd want. I'd like Burleson to get as many plate appearances as possible. Herrera is a injury concern in LF. Not sure he can last. Gorman only in field if absolutely necessary.

Starting lineup

2nd Base—Wetherholt
LF – Donovan/Herrera
1st Base—Contreras
RF—Burleson
DH--Gorman/Herrera --Bounce back year
3rd Base—Arenado--Bounce back year
SS—Winn
C—Pages/Crooks--Hope for Improvements
CF—Scott/Church--Hope for Improvements


Rotation

Gray
Doyle
Liberatore
McGreevy
Mathews/Leahy

Bull Pen

Pallante
Graceffo
Mathews/Leahy
Matt Svanson
JoJo Romero
Riley O'Brien
Tink Hence??

I keep going back and forth on Arenado. I really wanted him gone to make room for younger player. Now I’m concerned we do not have anyone to play an adequate 3rd. But I would like to see him gone and let JJ or Donovan or even Winn play third. (that’s right Winn, stop laughing). With him gone and I hate to say it trade WC I would hope enough payroll opens up RH outfielder with some stroke.

I want Donovan playing somewhere daily. Not share a position and I want him at second. But I have a feeling he gets traded.

I sort of think we might have enough pitching with maybe some adds but not a big name.

If you dump Gorman, Walker, Noot and stop depending on them on a daily basis you are better off.

Why do people think that Arenado is the only person on earth who can play 3B?

BLOOM NEEDS TO TRADE ARENADO.

I don't care if the team signs an ALL GLOVE infielder for 1mil to play 3b, NA needs to be gone.

Agree. Gorman isn’t the answer either he sucks at hitting and fielding

[ecleme22]

Let's say the trade Walker and Nootbaar for unknown minor league assets. I don't know how the bull pen shapes out, but I put Pallante there for sure.

How does this lineup play in 2026? Based on what we heard, I'd say it may be what we will get or something similar to this. Burleson in RF is a disaster, but he hits. Arenado may not be able to be moved for what they'd want. I'd like Burleson to get as many plate appearances as possible. Herrera is a injury concern in LF. Not sure he can last. Gorman only in field if absolutely necessary.

Starting lineup

2nd Base—Wetherholt
LF – Donovan/Herrera
1st Base—Contreras
RF—Burleson
DH--Gorman/Herrera --Bounce back year
3rd Base—Arenado--Bounce back year
SS—Winn
C—Pages/Crooks--Hope for Improvements
CF—Scott/Church--Hope for Improvements


Rotation

Gray
Doyle
Liberatore
McGreevy
Mathews/Leahy

Bull Pen

Pallante
Graceffo
Mathews/Leahy
Matt Svanson
JoJo Romero
Riley O'Brien
Tink Hence??

I keep going back and forth on Arenado. I really wanted him gone to make room for younger player. Now I’m concerned we do not have anyone to play an adequate 3rd. But I would like to see him gone and let JJ or Donovan or even Winn play third. (that’s right Winn, stop laughing). With him gone and I hate to say it trade WC I would hope enough payroll opens up RH outfielder with some stroke.

I want Donovan playing somewhere daily. Not share a position and I want him at second. But I have a feeling he gets traded.

I sort of think we might have enough pitching with maybe some adds but not a big name.

If you dump Gorman, Walker, Noot and stop depending on them on a daily basis you are better off.

Why do people think that Arenado is the only person on earth who can play 3B?

BLOOM NEEDS TO TRADE ARENADO.

I don't care if the team signs an ALL GLOVE infielder for 1mil to play 3b, NA needs to be gone.

Agree. Gorman isn’t the answer either he sucks at hitting and fielding

To me, NG isn't as big of a deal.

I really like WC, but I'm down for trading him. I'm down for trading AB too since his trade value is high.

Does that mean NG can play a little 1B? Sure.

[Ozziesfan41]

Let's say the trade Walker and Nootbaar for unknown minor league assets. I don't know how the bull pen shapes out, but I put Pallante there for sure.

How does this lineup play in 2026? Based on what we heard, I'd say it may be what we will get or something similar to this. Burleson in RF is a disaster, but he hits. Arenado may not be able to be moved for what they'd want. I'd like Burleson to get as many plate appearances as possible. Herrera is a injury concern in LF. Not sure he can last. Gorman only in field if absolutely necessary.

Starting lineup

2nd Base—Wetherholt
LF – Donovan/Herrera
1st Base—Contreras
RF—Burleson
DH--Gorman/Herrera --Bounce back year
3rd Base—Arenado--Bounce back year
SS—Winn
C—Pages/Crooks--Hope for Improvements
CF—Scott/Church--Hope for Improvements


Rotation

Gray
Doyle
Liberatore
McGreevy
Mathews/Leahy

Bull Pen

Pallante
Graceffo
Mathews/Leahy
Matt Svanson
JoJo Romero
Riley O'Brien
Tink Hence??

I keep going back and forth on Arenado. I really wanted him gone to make room for younger player. Now I’m concerned we do not have anyone to play an adequate 3rd. But I would like to see him gone and let JJ or Donovan or even Winn play third. (that’s right Winn, stop laughing). With him gone and I hate to say it trade WC I would hope enough payroll opens up RH outfielder with some stroke.

I want Donovan playing somewhere daily. Not share a position and I want him at second. But I have a feeling he gets traded.

I sort of think we might have enough pitching with maybe some adds but not a big name.

If you dump Gorman, Walker, Noot and stop depending on them on a daily basis you are better off.

Why do people think that Arenado is the only person on earth who can play 3B?

BLOOM NEEDS TO TRADE ARENADO.

I don't care if the team signs an ALL GLOVE infielder for 1mil to play 3b, NA needs to be gone.

Agree. Gorman isn’t the answer either he sucks at hitting and fielding

To me, NG isn't as big of a deal.

I really like WC, but I'm down for trading him. I'm down for trading AB too since his trade value is high.

Does that mean NG can play a little 1B? Sure.

True Gorman is versatile he can suck at several positions as well as suck at hitting. I would look forward to another sub .700 ops .200 batting average and lots of strike outs season. That level of futility is mesmerizing to watch

[ecleme22]

Let's say the trade Walker and Nootbaar for unknown minor league assets. I don't know how the bull pen shapes out, but I put Pallante there for sure.

How does this lineup play in 2026? Based on what we heard, I'd say it may be what we will get or something similar to this. Burleson in RF is a disaster, but he hits. Arenado may not be able to be moved for what they'd want. I'd like Burleson to get as many plate appearances as possible. Herrera is a injury concern in LF. Not sure he can last. Gorman only in field if absolutely necessary.

Starting lineup

2nd Base—Wetherholt
LF – Donovan/Herrera
1st Base—Contreras
RF—Burleson
DH--Gorman/Herrera --Bounce back year
3rd Base—Arenado--Bounce back year
SS—Winn
C—Pages/Crooks--Hope for Improvements
CF—Scott/Church--Hope for Improvements


Rotation

Gray
Doyle
Liberatore
McGreevy
Mathews/Leahy

Bull Pen

Pallante
Graceffo
Mathews/Leahy
Matt Svanson
JoJo Romero
Riley O'Brien
Tink Hence??

I keep going back and forth on Arenado. I really wanted him gone to make room for younger player. Now I’m concerned we do not have anyone to play an adequate 3rd. But I would like to see him gone and let JJ or Donovan or even Winn play third. (that’s right Winn, stop laughing). With him gone and I hate to say it trade WC I would hope enough payroll opens up RH outfielder with some stroke.

I want Donovan playing somewhere daily. Not share a position and I want him at second. But I have a feeling he gets traded.

I sort of think we might have enough pitching with maybe some adds but not a big name.

If you dump Gorman, Walker, Noot and stop depending on them on a daily basis you are better off.

Why do people think that Arenado is the only person on earth who can play 3B?

BLOOM NEEDS TO TRADE ARENADO.

I don't care if the team signs an ALL GLOVE infielder for 1mil to play 3b, NA needs to be gone.

Agree. Gorman isn’t the answer either he sucks at hitting and fielding

To me, NG isn't as big of a deal.

I really like WC, but I'm down for trading him. I'm down for trading AB too since his trade value is high.

Does that mean NG can play a little 1B? Sure.

True Gorman is versatile he can suck at several positions as well as suck at hitting. I would look forward to another sub .700 ops .200 batting average and lots of strike outs season. That level of futility is mesmerizing to watch

Well, obviously the last thing you saw was Gorman struggling like crazy in September.

Unlike you though, I'm not fixated on Gorman.

1. I don't think the org is high on him now.
2. He has little trade value.
3. Especially if the Cards clear out the roster in the offseason, he definitely won't be blocking anyone.
4. He has power.

Obviously, like most of us, you saw his final 38 PAs (37 AB, 4 hits, 1 walk, 20 Ks). But like most of us, you probably saw his productivity before that.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Let's say the trade Walker and Nootbaar for unknown minor league assets. I don't know how the bull pen shapes out, but I put Pallante there for sure.

How does this lineup play in 2026? Based on what we heard, I'd say it may be what we will get or something similar to this. Burleson in RF is a disaster, but he hits. Arenado may not be able to be moved for what they'd want. I'd like Burleson to get as many plate appearances as possible. Herrera is a injury concern in LF. Not sure he can last. Gorman only in field if absolutely necessary.

Starting lineup

2nd Base—Wetherholt
LF – Donovan/Herrera
1st Base—Contreras
RF—Burleson
DH--Gorman/Herrera --Bounce back year
3rd Base—Arenado--Bounce back year
SS—Winn
C—Pages/Crooks--Hope for Improvements
CF—Scott/Church--Hope for Improvements


Rotation

Gray
Doyle
Liberatore
McGreevy
Mathews/Leahy

Bull Pen

Pallante
Graceffo
Mathews/Leahy
Matt Svanson
JoJo Romero
Riley O'Brien
Tink Hence??

I keep going back and forth on Arenado. I really wanted him gone to make room for younger player. Now I’m concerned we do not have anyone to play an adequate 3rd. But I would like to see him gone and let JJ or Donovan or even Winn play third. (that’s right Winn, stop laughing). With him gone and I hate to say it trade WC I would hope enough payroll opens up RH outfielder with some stroke.

I want Donovan playing somewhere daily. Not share a position and I want him at second. But I have a feeling he gets traded.

I sort of think we might have enough pitching with maybe some adds but not a big name.

If you dump Gorman, Walker, Noot and stop depending on them on a daily basis you are better off.

Why do people think that Arenado is the only person on earth who can play 3B?

BLOOM NEEDS TO TRADE ARENADO.

I don't care if the team signs an ALL GLOVE infielder for 1mil to play 3b, NA needs to be gone.

Agree. Gorman isn’t the answer either he sucks at hitting and fielding

To me, NG isn't as big of a deal.

I really like WC, but I'm down for trading him. I'm down for trading AB too since his trade value is high.

Does that mean NG can play a little 1B? Sure.

True Gorman is versatile he can suck at several positions as well as suck at hitting. I would look forward to another sub .700 ops .200 batting average and lots of strike outs season. That level of futility is mesmerizing to watch

Don't forget the midseason trip to the IL with back issues.

[Ozziesfan41]

Let's say the trade Walker and Nootbaar for unknown minor league assets. I don't know how the bull pen shapes out, but I put Pallante there for sure.

How does this lineup play in 2026? Based on what we heard, I'd say it may be what we will get or something similar to this. Burleson in RF is a disaster, but he hits. Arenado may not be able to be moved for what they'd want. I'd like Burleson to get as many plate appearances as possible. Herrera is a injury concern in LF. Not sure he can last. Gorman only in field if absolutely necessary.

Starting lineup

2nd Base—Wetherholt
LF – Donovan/Herrera
1st Base—Contreras
RF—Burleson
DH--Gorman/Herrera --Bounce back year
3rd Base—Arenado--Bounce back year
SS—Winn
C—Pages/Crooks--Hope for Improvements
CF—Scott/Church--Hope for Improvements


Rotation

Gray
Doyle
Liberatore
McGreevy
Mathews/Leahy

Bull Pen

Pallante
Graceffo
Mathews/Leahy
Matt Svanson
JoJo Romero
Riley O'Brien
Tink Hence??

I keep going back and forth on Arenado. I really wanted him gone to make room for younger player. Now I’m concerned we do not have anyone to play an adequate 3rd. But I would like to see him gone and let JJ or Donovan or even Winn play third. (that’s right Winn, stop laughing). With him gone and I hate to say it trade WC I would hope enough payroll opens up RH outfielder with some stroke.

I want Donovan playing somewhere daily. Not share a position and I want him at second. But I have a feeling he gets traded.

I sort of think we might have enough pitching with maybe some adds but not a big name.

If you dump Gorman, Walker, Noot and stop depending on them on a daily basis you are better off.

Why do people think that Arenado is the only person on earth who can play 3B?

BLOOM NEEDS TO TRADE ARENADO.

I don't care if the team signs an ALL GLOVE infielder for 1mil to play 3b, NA needs to be gone.

Agree. Gorman isn’t the answer either he sucks at hitting and fielding

To me, NG isn't as big of a deal.

I really like WC, but I'm down for trading him. I'm down for trading AB too since his trade value is high.

Does that mean NG can play a little 1B? Sure.

True Gorman is versatile he can suck at several positions as well as suck at hitting. I would look forward to another sub .700 ops .200 batting average and lots of strike outs season. That level of futility is mesmerizing to watch

Well, obviously the last thing you saw was Gorman struggling like crazy in September.

Unlike you though, I'm not fixated on Gorman.

1. I don't think the org is high on him now.
2. He has little trade value.
3. Especially if the Cards clear out the roster in the offseason, he definitely won't be blocking anyone.
4. He has power.

Obviously, like most of us, you saw his final 38 PAs (37 AB, 4 hits, 1 walk, 20 Ks). But like most of us, you probably saw his productivity before that.

I saw the last two seasons and his career yes. And like I said when he was having his usual brief hot streak and Mel was patting himself on the back saying he was right and people were saying he looks like a completely different hitter and he’s finally figured it out I said he has them but will crash and burn and his numbers will suck at the end of the year and I was right again about him just like I was right about him the season before

[ecleme22]

Let's say the trade Walker and Nootbaar for unknown minor league assets. I don't know how the bull pen shapes out, but I put Pallante there for sure.

How does this lineup play in 2026? Based on what we heard, I'd say it may be what we will get or something similar to this. Burleson in RF is a disaster, but he hits. Arenado may not be able to be moved for what they'd want. I'd like Burleson to get as many plate appearances as possible. Herrera is a injury concern in LF. Not sure he can last. Gorman only in field if absolutely necessary.

Starting lineup

2nd Base—Wetherholt
LF – Donovan/Herrera
1st Base—Contreras
RF—Burleson
DH--Gorman/Herrera --Bounce back year
3rd Base—Arenado--Bounce back year
SS—Winn
C—Pages/Crooks--Hope for Improvements
CF—Scott/Church--Hope for Improvements


Rotation

Gray
Doyle
Liberatore
McGreevy
Mathews/Leahy

Bull Pen

Pallante
Graceffo
Mathews/Leahy
Matt Svanson
JoJo Romero
Riley O'Brien
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I keep going back and forth on Arenado. I really wanted him gone to make room for younger player. Now I’m concerned we do not have anyone to play an adequate 3rd. But I would like to see him gone and let JJ or Donovan or even Winn play third. (that’s right Winn, stop laughing). With him gone and I hate to say it trade WC I would hope enough payroll opens up RH outfielder with some stroke.

I want Donovan playing somewhere daily. Not share a position and I want him at second. But I have a feeling he gets traded.

I sort of think we might have enough pitching with maybe some adds but not a big name.

If you dump Gorman, Walker, Noot and stop depending on them on a daily basis you are better off.

Why do people think that Arenado is the only person on earth who can play 3B?

BLOOM NEEDS TO TRADE ARENADO.

I don't care if the team signs an ALL GLOVE infielder for 1mil to play 3b, NA needs to be gone.

Agree. Gorman isn’t the answer either he sucks at hitting and fielding

To me, NG isn't as big of a deal.

I really like WC, but I'm down for trading him. I'm down for trading AB too since his trade value is high.

Does that mean NG can play a little 1B? Sure.

True Gorman is versatile he can suck at several positions as well as suck at hitting. I would look forward to another sub .700 ops .200 batting average and lots of strike outs season. That level of futility is mesmerizing to watch

Well, obviously the last thing you saw was Gorman struggling like crazy in September.

Unlike you though, I'm not fixated on Gorman.

1. I don't think the org is high on him now.
2. He has little trade value.
3. Especially if the Cards clear out the roster in the offseason, he definitely won't be blocking anyone.
4. He has power.

Obviously, like most of us, you saw his final 38 PAs (37 AB, 4 hits, 1 walk, 20 Ks). But like most of us, you probably saw his productivity before that.

I saw the last two seasons and his career yes. And like I said when he was having his usual brief hot streak and Mel was patting himself on the back saying he was right and people were saying he looks like a completely different hitter and he’s finally figured it out I said he has them but will crash and burn and his numbers will suck at the end of the year and I was right again about him just like I was right about him the season before

Yeah, unfortunately, NG has proven to be flawed. Kind of like Paul DeJong, but with a better walk rate.