Wild extend KK 8x17

[BalotelliMassive]

This is their new Parise/Suter contract situation that will keep them from competing....

That much money for somebody that's hurt a lot is hilarious.

[moose-and-squirrel]

This is their new Parise/Suter contract situation that will keep them from competing....

That much money for somebody that's hurt a lot is hilarious.

yup.. just got out from under those 2 and do this.. smfh

[dp88]

Sure makes the Thomas and Kyrou deals look even better…..even if you don’t like Kyrou! Might raise the price for Holloway a bit, though. Also have to think McDavid’s price just went up a bit more!

Yep. Thomas + Kyrou = $16.25 million
Kaprizov = 17 million

Which would you rather have? May be home team bias, but I'll take Thomas and Kyrou.

[dr0zombie]

I realize they really had no choice, but this is brutal for their future.

This is $17 million for a Kaprizov who is third in points among left wings and 15th in points among forwards since 2020-21 (Some of the news reports rank him first and ignore Matthew Tkachuk and Artemi Panarin.) You could say in the year he was healthy (2021-22) he lives up to that much of the cap. That said, he averages only 64 games per year, and that is skewed by the one 81 game season in 21-22. Throw into that he will be 29 when these 8 years start.

There is no question his points per game at 1.21 is amazing and he is great on the PP.

$17million for 1.21 points a game for 64 games a year on average.....

[Bob39]

I'm interested in people saying that had no choice. Was someone else going to pay him 8x17? Does anyone have that kind of cap space? If they did, wouldn't they be pretty bad and an unattractive location?

[STL fan in MN]

I'm interested in people saying that had no choice. Was someone else going to pay him 8x17? Does anyone have that kind of cap space? If they did, wouldn't they be pretty bad and an unattractive location?

They had no choice in the sense that they couldn’t let him walk as a UFA. And he had a full NMC on his current deal so they couldn’t even count on trading him for futures either. They don’t have much without him. In short, their previous moves gave Kirill all the leverage in this negotiation and he absolutely went for max $. No discount given.

[a smell of green grass]

I bet Edmonton and their fans just laid a brick.

[TheJackBurton]

I'm interested in people saying that had no choice. Was someone else going to pay him 8x17? Does anyone have that kind of cap space? If they did, wouldn't they be pretty bad and an unattractive location?

Well the difference there is you have teams that have no state taxes so they could pay him less since the no taxes would off set the losses.

Then you have the teams in major markets where he could sign major marketing deals that would off set any lowering of salary.

The biggest reason though is they have nobody to replace him. If they couldn't have signed him they would have traded him, but they would have only been dealing with teams he would sign an extension with. That was likely only about 3-5 teams so the return wouldn't have been maximized. It wouldn't have been awful, but definitely not what they could get if they had 31 other teams competing.

Plain and simple they had to get him under contract otherwise Minny was looking at a few really rough years as nobody they traded for would have been as close to him in the way of offensive production.

[TheJackBurton]

I'm interested in people saying that had no choice. Was someone else going to pay him 8x17? Does anyone have that kind of cap space? If they did, wouldn't they be pretty bad and an unattractive location?

They had no choice in the sense that they couldn’t let him walk as a UFA. And he had a full NMC on his current deal so they couldn’t even count on trading him for futures either. They don’t have much without him. In short, their previous moves gave Kirill all the leverage in this negotiation and he absolutely went for max $. No discount given.

ooff forgot about the NMC so he would have dictated the entire thing and if he would have entertained a trade would have given them a list of maybe 3 teams and the offers would have been nothing.

well kudos to him, and that's why you don't give players all the power.

[dr0zombie]

I bet Edmonton and their fans just laid a brick.

I am very curious to see where this takes that conversation. Connor McDavid seems more about winning a cup and a legacy than he is about pure lining his pockets. I feel we will see McDavid take less to bring a cup back to Canada. The question to me is what team does McDavid feel fits his goals.

[Inglewood Jack]

If you assume the cap is going to hit 100 million shortly, his hit represents 17 percent of the cap. McDavid'(poop) is currently about 15 percent. Not totally out of whack and commiserate with what the MVP level player is going to receive. The larger issue in my mind is the sustainability of the cap for the smaller market teams. in other words how much is the cap rise being driven by revenues from the big market teams, and how will the smaller markets be able to come up with the coin either through filling seats, tv, etc... to be able to pay these salaries ?

With the cap at 95 million and assuming either 82 games in total, or paying for the visiting team and the home team salaries for 41 home games, this comes to 1.58 mil per game. If there are 18K fans in attendance, then this is on approx $64.50 per fan per game.

I am concerned with some upcoming contracts - Holloway, Broberg...

[2forDiving]

I'm interested in people saying that had no choice. Was someone else going to pay him 8x17? Does anyone have that kind of cap space? If they did, wouldn't they be pretty bad and an unattractive location?

They had no choice in the sense that they couldn’t let him walk as a UFA. And he had a full NMC on his current deal so they couldn’t even count on trading him for futures either. They don’t have much without him. In short, their previous moves gave Kirill all the leverage in this negotiation and he absolutely went for max $. No discount given.

ooff forgot about the NMC so he would have dictated the entire thing and if he would have entertained a trade would have given them a list of maybe 3 teams and the offers would have been nothing.

well kudos to him, and that's why you don't give players all the power.

Yep, and for all the anti-Army folks, this is why you don’t give out NMCs especially to guys you ultimately control prior to their UFA years.

[STL fan in MN]

I'm interested in people saying that had no choice. Was someone else going to pay him 8x17? Does anyone have that kind of cap space? If they did, wouldn't they be pretty bad and an unattractive location?

They had no choice in the sense that they couldn’t let him walk as a UFA. And he had a full NMC on his current deal so they couldn’t even count on trading him for futures either. They don’t have much without him. In short, their previous moves gave Kirill all the leverage in this negotiation and he absolutely went for max $. No discount given.

ooff forgot about the NMC so he would have dictated the entire thing and if he would have entertained a trade would have given them a list of maybe 3 teams and the offers would have been nothing.

well kudos to him, and that's why you don't give players all the power.

Yep. And you’re right about the no state income tax and big market marketing advantages other franchises would have over the Wild as well. Kirill took the Wild to the cleaners because he knew they were desperate and he could make absolute bank elsewhere as well. He might have had to take a bit lower AAV elsewhere but he would’ve made it up in lower taxes and/or more marketing opportunities.

[chuckt]

It's a lot, for sure. But I don't think people have a view of the big picture when it's suggested this is disastrous.

Say he signed for a more reasonable, fair number. Would that be 14 million? Seems about right using recent comparables.

What are they doing with that extra three million? The free agent pool continually sucks.

Say they let him walk. Who should they have used that money on from free agency? Go back the last couple of years and understand not everyone is willing to sign to play with the Wild.

I'm not sure they could build a better team by letting him walk, not when the cap is going up well above 100 million. Using league projections, this salary will be about 15 percent of the cap when it goes into effect. That's a lot, but he's worth that to the Wild and there's not really an alternative.

[LGB73]

I realize they really had no choice, but this is brutal for their future.

I don't know how they look at this situation and not think they would have been better off in the future with the trade package they could get vs signing him to this contract. Obviously KK would have had to sign off on a move but this is going to screw their franchise. Oh well, good for us that they signed him.

[dr0zombie]

I realize they really had no choice, but this is brutal for their future.

I don't know how they look at this situation and not think they would have been better off in the future with the trade package they could get vs signing him to this contract. Obviously KK would have had to sign off on a move but this is going to screw their franchise. Oh well, good for us that they signed him.

There really was not a good alternative for Guerin. Kaprizov had too much leverage. If you are a Wild fan you are hopeful he is healthy just one year and gets you the cup win. Everyone else just wants his health to stay the same and age naturally.