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Ville Heinola - an example of rushing a prospect and potential waiver option

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I saw this article on Ville Heinola in the Athletic today. I don’t typically share Jets articles but it was an interesting piece.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/665547 ... d_article
At Jets camp, a prospect left behind tries to prove he belongs in the NHL

When Ville Heinola was drafted in the first round in 2019, he had no way of knowing how quickly the Winnipeg Jets’ defence corps would be torn apart. He was an undersized, offensively gifted 18-year-old with limited English, raised on skid steers and frigid Finnish winters. It seemed clear that he needed to get better at defending against big, strong, veteran pro players before he could make an NHL club.

Then, a series of free-agency departures, Dustin Byfuglien’s sudden retirement and a slew of injuries put Heinola in the Jets’ opening-night lineup. Three and a half months after getting drafted, he was an NHL player. In his fourth career game, he one-timed a Mark Scheifele centering feed past the Pittsburgh Penguins’ Matt Murray for his first NHL goal.

“I was dreaming of that,” he said that night.

Six years later, Heinola’s dream come true in Pittsburgh is still the peak of his pro career. He was the first 2001-born player to score an NHL goal but still hasn’t scored his second one — or even played a full season in the league.

When COVID-19 hit, Winnipeg placed Heinola on its NHL “taxi squad” for much of 2020-21; it seemed like a great development opportunity, but over a month passed without him playing a game. The Jets acquired high-end veterans the year after that, relegating Heinola to a starring role in the minors.

Two seasons ago, it looked like Heinola had finally won another NHL job at training camp, but he broke his ankle in his final preseason game. This led to surgery, the installation of a screw in Heinola’s ankle, and a months-long rehabilitation process that limited him for the rest of the season. Last season, Heinola’s surgically repaired ankle became infected, necessitating a second surgery — and a second rehabilitation process along with it.

“I’m not going to lie,” Heinola says now. “I was in a dark place for a couple of months.”

Heinola is 24 years old now. Six years in North America have improved his English. He can articulate the pain he’s been through and the hope he feels now that his ankle has healed for the second time.

“Last year, it hit me hard when the injury happened. It was more tough for me mentally, going through it again and just knowing the rehab and knowing how long it takes,” he says. “Everything went well. The ankle feels great. It’s such a relief, and I just want to enjoy hockey now.”

But Heinola’s sliding-doors moment is now ancient history. Instead of the seas parting for him, with multiple departures and injuries creating a route straight to the NHL, Heinola is the forgotten defenceman at Jets camp. There are eight veterans ahead of him on Winnipeg’s depth chart — plus 21-year-old Elias Salomonsson replacing him as the Jets’ top defensive prospect — with a maximum of eight jobs available to win.
The article goes on from there but I won’t post the whole thing.

A couple thoughts. First is that this is a prime example of a prospect rushed to the NHL. Clearly he had skill but thrust into the NHL at age 18? He should’ve been in Jrs or back in Finland bouncing between their Jr and pro leagues for another year or two. This seemed to really stunt his development. It’s why I’d be hesitant to thrust someone like Carbonneau into the lineup yet this season. A winger has much less responsibility than a d-man but still, the NHL is the best league in the world and it’s why Army says that teams fail prospects more often than prospects fail teams. They’re rushed and/or not given the right development opportunities. I trust the Blues will do the right thing but just found this article to be a prime example of what can happen when you rush a player.

Another example IMO would be Zach Benson. I think he’s going to be a good NHLer for a long time but I think the Sabres very well could’ve stunted his offensive development by thrusting him into the NHL at age 18. The probably is you can never play out both scenarios to ever prove that right or wrong.

Secondly, Heinola seems like he’s very much on the outside looking in to make the Jets out of camp. I don’t know a ton about him but I could certainly see a scenario where he’s a better option than Kessel. He’d offer a different look than Tucker too if we’re playing an opponent where Tucker’s slow feet could be more likely to be exploited.

Just food for thought but it’s an interesting look into the world of hockey and the butterfly effects that sometimes make or break a young player’s career.

Whether it’s the Jets, Blues or some other team, hopefully Heinola can get a quality shot with a team this season and hopefully get his foot in the door and make it in this league.
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Looks like the Jets just missed on this one. Vile has something like 155 AHL games now, seems like a long shot for him to make it anywhere but you never know what a change of scenery can accomplish. Im a hard pass on the Blues even considering this unless its for Springfield, shot in the dark
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Harry S Deals wrote: 26 Sep 2025 13:02 pm Looks like the Jets just missed on this one. Vile has something like 155 AHL games now, seems like a long shot for him to make it anywhere but you never know what a change of scenery can accomplish. Im a hard pass on the Blues even considering this unless its for Springfield, shot in the dark
I doubt he’d ever make it to Springfield. We’d have to also put him on waivers if we wanted to send him there and the Jets could just reclaim him and send him to the Moose. Or he’d get claimed by someone else.

Like I said though, I haven’t seen enough of Heinola to be able to say definitely he’d be better than Kessel. But I could certainly see it as possible. Being better than Matt Kessel isn’t exactly a high bar unfortunately..
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STL fan in MN wrote: 26 Sep 2025 13:07 pm
Harry S Deals wrote: 26 Sep 2025 13:02 pm Looks like the Jets just missed on this one. Vile has something like 155 AHL games now, seems like a long shot for him to make it anywhere but you never know what a change of scenery can accomplish. Im a hard pass on the Blues even considering this unless its for Springfield, shot in the dark
I doubt he’d ever make it to Springfield. We’d have to also put him on waivers if we wanted to send him there and the Jets could just reclaim him and send him to the Moose. Or he’d get claimed by someone else.

Like I said though, I haven’t seen enough of Heinola to be able to say definitely he’d be better than Kessel. But I could certainly see it as possible. Being better than Matt Kessel isn’t exactly a high bar unfortunately..
Regarding potential interest from the Blues or another team, first question would be whether he has lost any mobility or speed due to his ankle issues.

I think there is an option for the Blues to carry 8 dmen and 13 forwards at the start of the year. If everyone is healthy, Tex might be the odd man out of the forward group in this case.

Right now it looks like Lindstein is the current LD4 and I imagine they want him to play much of the year in the AHL. Adding another LD has to be a consideration. I think Kessel is fine as RD4 but any of their current RDs would struggle if they had to play on the left side. I guess Schueneman is next up if they need a LD and want to skip over Lindstein.
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Frank Barone wrote: 26 Sep 2025 13:54 pm
STL fan in MN wrote: 26 Sep 2025 13:07 pm
Harry S Deals wrote: 26 Sep 2025 13:02 pm Looks like the Jets just missed on this one. Vile has something like 155 AHL games now, seems like a long shot for him to make it anywhere but you never know what a change of scenery can accomplish. Im a hard pass on the Blues even considering this unless its for Springfield, shot in the dark
I doubt he’d ever make it to Springfield. We’d have to also put him on waivers if we wanted to send him there and the Jets could just reclaim him and send him to the Moose. Or he’d get claimed by someone else.

Like I said though, I haven’t seen enough of Heinola to be able to say definitely he’d be better than Kessel. But I could certainly see it as possible. Being better than Matt Kessel isn’t exactly a high bar unfortunately..
Regarding potential interest from the Blues or another team, first question would be whether he has lost any mobility or speed due to his ankle issues.

I think there is an option for the Blues to carry 8 dmen and 13 forwards at the start of the year. If everyone is healthy, Tex might be the odd man out of the forward group in this case.

Right now it looks like Lindstein is the current LD4 and I imagine they want him to play much of the year in the AHL. Adding another LD has to be a consideration. I think Kessel is fine as RD4 but any of their current RDs would struggle if they had to play on the left side. I guess Schueneman is next up if they need a LD and want to skip over Lindstein.
Schueneman would absolutely be ahead of Lindstein. The AHL is already going to be enough of an adjustment for Theo.

My point would be that Heinola might just be better than both Scheuneman or Kessel..

But yes, they’d obviously want to see his medicals before taking him on and see him live. That’s what pro scouts are for though.

And yes, I could see them carry 8 d-men as well, but I wouldn’t call it likely. I suspect they’re more likely to go with the usual 14 and 7 configuration but they’ve gone with 13 and 8 before and could definitely do it again.
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I just wish someone had told Army about this.

If he had known this, he would surely have not initiated a re-whatever using mid-round picks.

Who would solve an immediate 2024 season problem by bringing in young prospects in 2026?
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a smell of green grass wrote: 26 Sep 2025 14:22 pm I just wish someone had told Army about this.

If he had known this, he would surely have not initiated a re-whatever using mid-round picks.

Who would solve an immediate 2024 season problem by bringing in young prospects in 2026?
What does this mean? And how does a player in Heinola, who isn't in the Blues organization, apply to the Blues?
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My read on Carbo specifically. Carbo is ultra self confident but very honest with himself, so once it's clear he can't perform all the details needed to be an NHLer, he'll enthusiastically accept being sent back and build toward his next iteration. They are giving him a massive confidence boost, it is smart to do that with players like him, he will take it and run with it.

Jiricek is more analogous to the Heinola situation. Flashes and setbacks, needs consistent development time before leveling up again.
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Harry S Deals wrote: 26 Sep 2025 13:02 pm Looks like the Jets just missed on this one. Vile has something like 155 AHL games now, seems like a long shot for him to make it anywhere but you never know what a change of scenery can accomplish. Im a hard pass on the Blues even considering this unless its for Springfield, shot in the dark
Well it could be that the Jets did? And/or just bad luck and timing for him re injury, the COVID stuff, the sad infection risk in hospitals? Had to be tough for a young guy so far from home. Good things happen...bad things happen. It's tough, I feel bad for him, but I don't see the need for the Blues at this time to try to somehow figure out the Jets' decision nor to make it all better for him. They have other potential prospects to focus on.
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seattleblue wrote: 26 Sep 2025 15:05 pm My read on Carbo specifically. Carbo is ultra self confident but very honest with himself, so once it's clear he can't perform all the details needed to be an NHLer, he'll enthusiastically accept being sent back and build toward his next iteration. They are giving him a massive confidence boost, it is smart to do that with players like him, he will take it and run with it.

Jiricek is more analogous to the Heinola situation. Flashes and setbacks, needs consistent development time before leveling up again.
Seems to me the question hovering over Jiricek is how far away from the NHL do the Blues park him? There's at least a chance he plays in Springfield. If he stays healthy and the talent we've seen is real he's not that far away from the NHL, possibly next season.

Don't get me wrong, the Blues should not count on him or rush him this season, but he may be the best of the rest not in the NHL.
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I lost interest when I read "undersized".
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seattleblue wrote: 26 Sep 2025 15:05 pm Jiricek is more analogous to the Heinola situation. Flashes and setbacks, needs consistent development time before leveling up again.
What is "leveling up" mean? Like a video game? The tv show? Did you watch that?

Sounds like something you would watch. :P
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Tabasco Flowers wrote: 26 Sep 2025 16:49 pm I lost interest when I read "undersized".
That's what she said.
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Tabasco Flowers wrote: 26 Sep 2025 16:49 pm I lost interest when I read "undersized".
I too focused in on that. According to elite prospects he's 6'0" and about 180lbs. Kind of scrawny for a 24 YO D man in the NHL, but not undersized like Peru and Krug. Nonetheless, I don't think the Blues need a project like Ville at the moment. I definitely feel bad for the guy and hope he finds some success.
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seattleblue wrote: 26 Sep 2025 15:05 pm Jiricek is more analogous to the Heinola situation. Flashes and setbacks, needs consistent development time before leveling up again.
Agreed. I'm hoping the Blues make the decision and send him back to JR. As good as he has looked, he's barely played the last two seasons.

Hopefully he gets 25 - 30 minutes a night, competes at the WJC and then joins Springfield for a playoff run or Czechia at the WC at the end of the year.

Isn't Brantford supposed to be pretty good this year? A long OHL playoff run would do him well, too
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seattleblue wrote: 26 Sep 2025 15:05 pm My read on Carbo specifically. Carbo is ultra self confident but very honest with himself, so once it's clear he can't perform all the details needed to be an NHLer, he'll enthusiastically accept being sent back and build toward his next iteration. They are giving him a massive confidence boost, it is smart to do that with players like him, he will take it and run with it.

Jiricek is more analogous to the Heinola situation. Flashes and setbacks, needs consistent development time before leveling up again.
After mentioning Stenberg, Stancl, Pekarcik, Skinner to Korac after practice as guys who caught his eye, Monty then mentioned and the young 1st rounders Dvorsky and Carbonneau "and then the other guy is Jiricek. ... He's going to be a good one for us." I think the order he mentions these guys might tell us something about his thinking without going into details. Dvorsky, Carbonneau and Jiricek are really exciting, but they need more time. Just trying to read between the lines a bit. It makes sense from what I've seen.
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