102 players have more HR than Burly and Hererra

[Carp4Cy]

Certainly they are servicable bats in the lineup...if we can find a spot for them on the field. But we still should have at least 1 if not 2+ hitters in that next 30/100 tier. They aren't that.

Whatever we think they are, its rose colored because we aren't used to the level of power the rest of MLB has right now.

[Ozziesfan41]

Certainly they are servicable bats in the lineup...if we can find a spot for them on the field. But we still should have at least 1 if not 2+ hitters in that next 30/100 tier. They aren't that.

Whatever we think they are, its rose colored because we aren't used to the level of power the rest of MLB has right now.

Well Herreras power has come after he went to a heavier bat and changed his approach at the plate where at certain times in the count he looks for a certain pitch and tries to ambush it with power so I wouldn’t discount him developing into a power hitter. Most of The scouting reports said he always had raw power he just hit the ball on the ground too much. So it’s strange to say he isn’t that and never will be his numbers including slugging have went up every season

[imadangman]

Herrera missed alot of time. He's also improved every year. This is also only his age 24/25 season. It looks like things are tilted up for him. I wouldn't rule out him becoming a .300 25 100 type bat, and I think they should leave the Catcher idea alone personally because he is here because of his bat.

[OldRed]

Herrera missed alot of time. He's also improved every year. This is also only his age 24/25 season. It looks like things are tilted up for him. I wouldn't rule out him becoming a .300 25 100 type bat, and I think they should leave the Catcher idea alone personally because he is here because of his bat.

How many are of those in the Majors?

[rockondlouie]

I wouldn't lump Hererra w/Burleson when it comes to HR power Carp, no comparison HR power wise.

From Bernie:

— Since returning from a lower-back injury in late August of last season, Herrera has made 504 plate appearances over that time.

— Among the 182 MLB hitters that have at least 500 plate appearances since August 26 of last season, Herrera’s wRC+ is 46 percent above the league average offensively.

— And in that group of 182 hitters, only six have outperformed Herrera in overall offense since late last season. The seven are: Aaron Judge, Shohei Ohtani, Cal Raleigh, Juan Soto, George Springer and Kyle Schwarber.

— Herrera’s 146 wRC+ since last August 26 is superior to an extensive list of hitters that includes Kyle Tucker, Fernando Tatis Jr., Vlad Guerrero Jr., Bryce Harper, Jose Ramirez, Francisco Lindor, Bobby Witt Jr., Rafael Devers, Matt Olson, Ketel Marte, Manny Machado, Will Smith, Yandy Diaz, Junior Caminero, Jackson Chourio, Pete Alonso, Alex Bregman, Jazz Chisholm, Julio Rodriguez, Bo Bichette, Byron Buxton, Eugenio Suarez, Trea Turner, Matt Chapman, Josh Naylor, Brent Rooker, Kyle Stowers, Christian Yelich, James Wood, Gunnar Henderson and Spencer Torkelson.

Whew.

— Since Aug. 26 of last season, Herrera has batted .295 with a .386 on-base rate, .485 slugging percentage and an .871 OPS. Oh, and he’s struck out in only 18.3 percent of his plate appearances … while walking in 10 percent of his plate appearances.

— This month, through Tuesday, Herrera has 8 home runs in 73 at-bats. His teammates have 6 home runs in 590 at-bats. On average, Herrera has homered every 8.1 bats this month. His teammates, on average, have homered every 98.3 at bats. That’s nuts. But it's true.

— Entering Wednesday, Herrera is tied with Shohei Ohtani and Cal Raleigh for most home runs (8) in September

[Carp4Cy]

Herrera missed alot of time. He's also improved every year. This is also only his age 24/25 season. It looks like things are tilted up for him. I wouldn't rule out him becoming a .300 25 100 type bat, and I think they should leave the Catcher idea alone personally because he is here because of his bat.

some of those players with 30 HRs also missed time or they would have had 40 HRs. Herrera isn't exactly Cal Ripken.

I say keep him if it makes sense and we have a spot for him, but don't count on him automatically becoming that 35-40/100 guy we need. If we does have a season like that, its a huge bonus.

But if it takes all the stars aligning for him or Burly to get to 30 HRs, that's one thing. When all the stars align for a Cal Raleigh, he hit 60. That's another level entirely.

[Carp4Cy]

I wouldn't lump Hererra w/Burleson when it comes to HR power Carp, no comparison HR power wise.

From Bernie:

— Since returning from a lower-back injury in late August of last season, Herrera has made 504 plate appearances over that time.

— Among the 182 MLB hitters that have at least 500 plate appearances since August 26 of last season, Herrera’s wRC+ is 46 percent above the league average offensively.

— And in that group of 182 hitters, only six have outperformed Herrera in overall offense since late last season. The seven are: Aaron Judge, Shohei Ohtani, Cal Raleigh, Juan Soto, George Springer and Kyle Schwarber.

— Herrera’s 146 wRC+ since last August 26 is superior to an extensive list of hitters that includes Kyle Tucker, Fernando Tatis Jr., Vlad Guerrero Jr., Bryce Harper, Jose Ramirez, Francisco Lindor, Bobby Witt Jr., Rafael Devers, Matt Olson, Ketel Marte, Manny Machado, Will Smith, Yandy Diaz, Junior Caminero, Jackson Chourio, Pete Alonso, Alex Bregman, Jazz Chisholm, Julio Rodriguez, Bo Bichette, Byron Buxton, Eugenio Suarez, Trea Turner, Matt Chapman, Josh Naylor, Brent Rooker, Kyle Stowers, Christian Yelich, James Wood, Gunnar Henderson and Spencer Torkelson.

Whew.

— Since Aug. 26 of last season, Herrera has batted .295 with a .386 on-base rate, .485 slugging percentage and an .871 OPS. Oh, and he’s struck out in only 18.3 percent of his plate appearances … while walking in 10 percent of his plate appearances.

— This month, through Tuesday, Herrera has 8 home runs in 73 at-bats. His teammates have 6 home runs in 590 at-bats. On average, Herrera has homered every 8.1 bats this month. His teammates, on average, have homered every 98.3 at bats. That’s nuts. But it's true.

— Entering Wednesday, Herrera is tied with Shohei Ohtani and Cal Raleigh for most home runs (8) in September

Availability is the best ability. I'm not a Hererra hater. I like him when he's healthy. But until he can prove counting numbers, we can't count on him to provide 90-100+ RBIs. There are a lot of other players out there who have proven it. I'm just saying we need to have 1 or more of them as well on this team. That should be a Bloom target. If Hererra stays healthy and hot for an entire season, that's a big bonus. Not something that we should take to the bank and pretend like we already have covered.

[imadangman]

Herrera missed alot of time. He's also improved every year. This is also only his age 24/25 season. It looks like things are tilted up for him. I wouldn't rule out him becoming a .300 25 100 type bat, and I think they should leave the Catcher idea alone personally because he is here because of his bat.

How many are of those in the Majors?

Not many, but I'd also be happy if he hit .285 24 90

[scoutyjones2]

I wouldn't lump Hererra w/Burleson when it comes to HR power Carp, no comparison HR power wise.

From Bernie:

— Since returning from a lower-back injury in late August of last season, Herrera has made 504 plate appearances over that time.

— Among the 182 MLB hitters that have at least 500 plate appearances since August 26 of last season, Herrera’s wRC+ is 46 percent above the league average offensively.

— And in that group of 182 hitters, only six have outperformed Herrera in overall offense since late last season. The seven are: Aaron Judge, Shohei Ohtani, Cal Raleigh, Juan Soto, George Springer and Kyle Schwarber.

— Herrera’s 146 wRC+ since last August 26 is superior to an extensive list of hitters that includes Kyle Tucker, Fernando Tatis Jr., Vlad Guerrero Jr., Bryce Harper, Jose Ramirez, Francisco Lindor, Bobby Witt Jr., Rafael Devers, Matt Olson, Ketel Marte, Manny Machado, Will Smith, Yandy Diaz, Junior Caminero, Jackson Chourio, Pete Alonso, Alex Bregman, Jazz Chisholm, Julio Rodriguez, Bo Bichette, Byron Buxton, Eugenio Suarez, Trea Turner, Matt Chapman, Josh Naylor, Brent Rooker, Kyle Stowers, Christian Yelich, James Wood, Gunnar Henderson and Spencer Torkelson.

Whew.

— Since Aug. 26 of last season, Herrera has batted .295 with a .386 on-base rate, .485 slugging percentage and an .871 OPS. Oh, and he’s struck out in only 18.3 percent of his plate appearances … while walking in 10 percent of his plate appearances.

— This month, through Tuesday, Herrera has 8 home runs in 73 at-bats. His teammates have 6 home runs in 590 at-bats. On average, Herrera has homered every 8.1 bats this month. His teammates, on average, have homered every 98.3 at bats. That’s nuts. But it's true.

— Entering Wednesday, Herrera is tied with Shohei Ohtani and Cal Raleigh for most home runs (8) in September

Thanks Rockville You sound like Smellville when he pumped UniKKKorn

[scoutyjones2]

Certainly they are servicable bats in the lineup...if we can find a spot for them on the field. But we still should have at least 1 if not 2+ hitters in that next 30/100 tier. They aren't that.

Whatever we think they are, its rose colored because we aren't used to the level of power the rest of MLB has right now.

Is one of those WillyCon?

Cards do need some HR threats

[rockondlouie]

I wouldn't lump Hererra w/Burleson when it comes to HR power Carp, no comparison HR power wise.

From Bernie:

— Since returning from a lower-back injury in late August of last season, Herrera has made 504 plate appearances over that time.

— Among the 182 MLB hitters that have at least 500 plate appearances since August 26 of last season, Herrera’s wRC+ is 46 percent above the league average offensively.

— And in that group of 182 hitters, only six have outperformed Herrera in overall offense since late last season. The seven are: Aaron Judge, Shohei Ohtani, Cal Raleigh, Juan Soto, George Springer and Kyle Schwarber.

— Herrera’s 146 wRC+ since last August 26 is superior to an extensive list of hitters that includes Kyle Tucker, Fernando Tatis Jr., Vlad Guerrero Jr., Bryce Harper, Jose Ramirez, Francisco Lindor, Bobby Witt Jr., Rafael Devers, Matt Olson, Ketel Marte, Manny Machado, Will Smith, Yandy Diaz, Junior Caminero, Jackson Chourio, Pete Alonso, Alex Bregman, Jazz Chisholm, Julio Rodriguez, Bo Bichette, Byron Buxton, Eugenio Suarez, Trea Turner, Matt Chapman, Josh Naylor, Brent Rooker, Kyle Stowers, Christian Yelich, James Wood, Gunnar Henderson and Spencer Torkelson.

Whew.

— Since Aug. 26 of last season, Herrera has batted .295 with a .386 on-base rate, .485 slugging percentage and an .871 OPS. Oh, and he’s struck out in only 18.3 percent of his plate appearances … while walking in 10 percent of his plate appearances.

— This month, through Tuesday, Herrera has 8 home runs in 73 at-bats. His teammates have 6 home runs in 590 at-bats. On average, Herrera has homered every 8.1 bats this month. His teammates, on average, have homered every 98.3 at bats. That’s nuts. But it's true.

— Entering Wednesday, Herrera is tied with Shohei Ohtani and Cal Raleigh for most home runs (8) in September

Thanks Rockville You sound like Smellville when he pumped UniKKKorn

Nah, not even close and that's BERNIE doing the pumping.

[imadangman]

Herrera missed alot of time. He's also improved every year. This is also only his age 24/25 season. It looks like things are tilted up for him. I wouldn't rule out him becoming a .300 25 100 type bat, and I think they should leave the Catcher idea alone personally because he is here because of his bat.

some of those players with 30 HRs also missed time or they would have had 40 HRs. Herrera isn't exactly Cal Ripken.

I say keep him if it makes sense and we have a spot for him, but don't count on him automatically becoming that 35-40/100 guy we need. If we does have a season like that, its a huge bonus.

But if it takes all the stars aligning for him or Burly to get to 30 HRs, that's one thing. When all the stars align for a Cal Raleigh, he hit 60. That's another level entirely.

Well that's all very true but Cal Raleigh has nothing to do with whether Burleson or Herrera could one day contribute to a championship roster. It's a nice season Cal is having, maybe even historic, but would it be fair for me to point out that every single championship team in the history of the game has won their title without Cal Raleigh on their team.

It's very possible that we end up with one or more players who are better than Herrera with the bat, despite Herrera being an above average contributor himself.

[scoutyjones2]

I wouldn't lump Hererra w/Burleson when it comes to HR power Carp, no comparison HR power wise.

From Bernie:

— Since returning from a lower-back injury in late August of last season, Herrera has made 504 plate appearances over that time.

— Among the 182 MLB hitters that have at least 500 plate appearances since August 26 of last season, Herrera’s wRC+ is 46 percent above the league average offensively.

— And in that group of 182 hitters, only six have outperformed Herrera in overall offense since late last season. The seven are: Aaron Judge, Shohei Ohtani, Cal Raleigh, Juan Soto, George Springer and Kyle Schwarber.

— Herrera’s 146 wRC+ since last August 26 is superior to an extensive list of hitters that includes Kyle Tucker, Fernando Tatis Jr., Vlad Guerrero Jr., Bryce Harper, Jose Ramirez, Francisco Lindor, Bobby Witt Jr., Rafael Devers, Matt Olson, Ketel Marte, Manny Machado, Will Smith, Yandy Diaz, Junior Caminero, Jackson Chourio, Pete Alonso, Alex Bregman, Jazz Chisholm, Julio Rodriguez, Bo Bichette, Byron Buxton, Eugenio Suarez, Trea Turner, Matt Chapman, Josh Naylor, Brent Rooker, Kyle Stowers, Christian Yelich, James Wood, Gunnar Henderson and Spencer Torkelson.

Whew.

— Since Aug. 26 of last season, Herrera has batted .295 with a .386 on-base rate, .485 slugging percentage and an .871 OPS. Oh, and he’s struck out in only 18.3 percent of his plate appearances … while walking in 10 percent of his plate appearances.

— This month, through Tuesday, Herrera has 8 home runs in 73 at-bats. His teammates have 6 home runs in 590 at-bats. On average, Herrera has homered every 8.1 bats this month. His teammates, on average, have homered every 98.3 at bats. That’s nuts. But it's true.

— Entering Wednesday, Herrera is tied with Shohei Ohtani and Cal Raleigh for most home runs (8) in September

Thanks Rockville You sound like Smellville when he pumped UniKKKorn

Nah, not even close and that's BERNIE doing the pumping.

You're just doing the pimping...

[rockondlouie]

I wouldn't lump Hererra w/Burleson when it comes to HR power Carp, no comparison HR power wise.

From Bernie:

— Since returning from a lower-back injury in late August of last season, Herrera has made 504 plate appearances over that time.

— Among the 182 MLB hitters that have at least 500 plate appearances since August 26 of last season, Herrera’s wRC+ is 46 percent above the league average offensively.

— And in that group of 182 hitters, only six have outperformed Herrera in overall offense since late last season. The seven are: Aaron Judge, Shohei Ohtani, Cal Raleigh, Juan Soto, George Springer and Kyle Schwarber.

— Herrera’s 146 wRC+ since last August 26 is superior to an extensive list of hitters that includes Kyle Tucker, Fernando Tatis Jr., Vlad Guerrero Jr., Bryce Harper, Jose Ramirez, Francisco Lindor, Bobby Witt Jr., Rafael Devers, Matt Olson, Ketel Marte, Manny Machado, Will Smith, Yandy Diaz, Junior Caminero, Jackson Chourio, Pete Alonso, Alex Bregman, Jazz Chisholm, Julio Rodriguez, Bo Bichette, Byron Buxton, Eugenio Suarez, Trea Turner, Matt Chapman, Josh Naylor, Brent Rooker, Kyle Stowers, Christian Yelich, James Wood, Gunnar Henderson and Spencer Torkelson.

Whew.

— Since Aug. 26 of last season, Herrera has batted .295 with a .386 on-base rate, .485 slugging percentage and an .871 OPS. Oh, and he’s struck out in only 18.3 percent of his plate appearances … while walking in 10 percent of his plate appearances.

— This month, through Tuesday, Herrera has 8 home runs in 73 at-bats. His teammates have 6 home runs in 590 at-bats. On average, Herrera has homered every 8.1 bats this month. His teammates, on average, have homered every 98.3 at bats. That’s nuts. But it's true.

— Entering Wednesday, Herrera is tied with Shohei Ohtani and Cal Raleigh for most home runs (8) in September

Thanks Rockville You sound like Smellville when he pumped UniKKKorn

Nah, not even close and that's BERNIE doing the pumping.

You're just doing the pimping...

[Jatalk]

IH needs to find a defensive position. He does not have enough pop to justify full time DH.

[ICCFIM2]

I wouldn't lump Hererra w/Burleson when it comes to HR power Carp, no comparison HR power wise.

From Bernie:

— Since returning from a lower-back injury in late August of last season, Herrera has made 504 plate appearances over that time.

— Among the 182 MLB hitters that have at least 500 plate appearances since August 26 of last season, Herrera’s wRC+ is 46 percent above the league average offensively.

— And in that group of 182 hitters, only six have outperformed Herrera in overall offense since late last season. The seven are: Aaron Judge, Shohei Ohtani, Cal Raleigh, Juan Soto, George Springer and Kyle Schwarber.

— Herrera’s 146 wRC+ since last August 26 is superior to an extensive list of hitters that includes Kyle Tucker, Fernando Tatis Jr., Vlad Guerrero Jr., Bryce Harper, Jose Ramirez, Francisco Lindor, Bobby Witt Jr., Rafael Devers, Matt Olson, Ketel Marte, Manny Machado, Will Smith, Yandy Diaz, Junior Caminero, Jackson Chourio, Pete Alonso, Alex Bregman, Jazz Chisholm, Julio Rodriguez, Bo Bichette, Byron Buxton, Eugenio Suarez, Trea Turner, Matt Chapman, Josh Naylor, Brent Rooker, Kyle Stowers, Christian Yelich, James Wood, Gunnar Henderson and Spencer Torkelson.

Whew.

— Since Aug. 26 of last season, Herrera has batted .295 with a .386 on-base rate, .485 slugging percentage and an .871 OPS. Oh, and he’s struck out in only 18.3 percent of his plate appearances … while walking in 10 percent of his plate appearances.

— This month, through Tuesday, Herrera has 8 home runs in 73 at-bats. His teammates have 6 home runs in 590 at-bats. On average, Herrera has homered every 8.1 bats this month. His teammates, on average, have homered every 98.3 at bats. That’s nuts. But it's true.

— Entering Wednesday, Herrera is tied with Shohei Ohtani and Cal Raleigh for most home runs (8) in September

Thanks Rockville You sound like Smellville when he pumped UniKKKorn

Nah, not even close and that's BERNIE doing the pumping.

Amazing how guys are knocking Herrera. The Cards have been trying to develop internally an 850OPS+ 25HR+ bat since Pujols left in 2011. They finally did that in Herrera after 14 years and now some people are OK trading him because he isn't that good? Gee, you have to build a team player by player. Herrera is a player. Nice analysis Rock, thank you...