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Re: Next Year's Cardinal Outfield

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Youboughtit wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:55 pm
TraveledLessRoad wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:24 pm I know this is a bit out of the box and might be borderline insane. But, what if next year's outfield was: Herrera in LF, JJ Wetherholt in CF, and Alec Burleson in RF? I believe the offensive output from these 3 could be near the top of the league. Now, I know this calls for putting 1 known not good outfielder in RF, and 2 completely unknowns in LF and CF, but I'd give it a whirl. JJ can play CF if he can play SS, 2b and 3b. Edman did it, Saggesse's done it. Heck, Kolten Wong did it.

That leaves you with Contreras at 1b, Donnie at 2b, Winn at SS, Arenado at 3rd, Crooks/Pages behind the dish, Saggesse and Church as IF/OF bench players and then go spend money on a big time bat that can play both 3rd base and DH.

Thoughts?
Arenado has said he doesn’t expect to be back so problem solved. Wetherholt to 2B and Donovan to 3B and go find a power hitting OF to pair with Scott in CF and a platoon of Burleson/Hererra at RF and DH
Moot and N/A traded.
Winn SS.
Gorman at 3B, JJ 2B.
Donovan LF.
Acquire a quality middle order RH RF.
Trade Walker.
Burleson, Contreras, Herrera 1B / DH.
Herrera can also take LF reps by preparing this off-season
Saggese utility.
Plenty of PA's to go around.
Creates bench and injury depth.
Scott in CF - trying to hold off a challenge from Baez after July
Be open to trade Donovan, Contreras, or Herrera if the right deal for starting pitching becomes available.
Easy
Obvious.
Correct.
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Re: Next Year's Cardinal Outfield

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Melville wrote: 24 Sep 2025 17:26 pm
Youboughtit wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:55 pm
TraveledLessRoad wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:24 pm I know this is a bit out of the box and might be borderline insane. But, what if next year's outfield was: Herrera in LF, JJ Wetherholt in CF, and Alec Burleson in RF? I believe the offensive output from these 3 could be near the top of the league. Now, I know this calls for putting 1 known not good outfielder in RF, and 2 completely unknowns in LF and CF, but I'd give it a whirl. JJ can play CF if he can play SS, 2b and 3b. Edman did it, Saggesse's done it. Heck, Kolten Wong did it.

That leaves you with Contreras at 1b, Donnie at 2b, Winn at SS, Arenado at 3rd, Crooks/Pages behind the dish, Saggesse and Church as IF/OF bench players and then go spend money on a big time bat that can play both 3rd base and DH.

Thoughts?
Arenado has said he doesn’t expect to be back so problem solved. Wetherholt to 2B and Donovan to 3B and go find a power hitting OF to pair with Scott in CF and a platoon of Burleson/Hererra at RF and DH
Moot and N/A traded.
Winn SS.
Gorman at 3B, JJ 2B.
Donovan LF.
Acquire a quality middle order RH RF.
Trade Walker.
Burleson, Contreras, Herrera 1B / DH.
Herrera can also take LF reps by preparing this off-season
Saggese utility.
Plenty of PA's to go around.
Creates bench and injury depth.
Scott in CF - trying to hold off a challenge from Baez after July
Be open to trade Donovan, Contreras, or Herrera if the right deal for starting pitching becomes available.
Easy
Obvious.
Correct.
Thak goodness you are not in charge.
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Re: Next Year's Cardinal Outfield

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OldRed wrote: 24 Sep 2025 17:57 pm
Melville wrote: 24 Sep 2025 17:26 pm
Youboughtit wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:55 pm
TraveledLessRoad wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:24 pm I know this is a bit out of the box and might be borderline insane. But, what if next year's outfield was: Herrera in LF, JJ Wetherholt in CF, and Alec Burleson in RF? I believe the offensive output from these 3 could be near the top of the league. Now, I know this calls for putting 1 known not good outfielder in RF, and 2 completely unknowns in LF and CF, but I'd give it a whirl. JJ can play CF if he can play SS, 2b and 3b. Edman did it, Saggesse's done it. Heck, Kolten Wong did it.

That leaves you with Contreras at 1b, Donnie at 2b, Winn at SS, Arenado at 3rd, Crooks/Pages behind the dish, Saggesse and Church as IF/OF bench players and then go spend money on a big time bat that can play both 3rd base and DH.

Thoughts?
Arenado has said he doesn’t expect to be back so problem solved. Wetherholt to 2B and Donovan to 3B and go find a power hitting OF to pair with Scott in CF and a platoon of Burleson/Hererra at RF and DH
Moot and N/A traded.
Winn SS.
Gorman at 3B, JJ 2B.
Donovan LF.
Acquire a quality middle order RH RF.
Trade Walker.
Burleson, Contreras, Herrera 1B / DH.
Herrera can also take LF reps by preparing this off-season
Saggese utility.
Plenty of PA's to go around.
Creates bench and injury depth.
Scott in CF - trying to hold off a challenge from Baez after July
Be open to trade Donovan, Contreras, or Herrera if the right deal for starting pitching becomes available.
Easy
Obvious.
Correct.
Thak goodness you are not in charge.

No kidding cards would be doomed
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Re: Next Year's Cardinal Outfield

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JuanAgosto wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:56 pm Burleson - LF
Scott/Church - CF
Nootbaar - RF
That is probably the best use of on-hand personnel, which is the real problem. They need to sign someone in free agency at a minimum.
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Re: Next Year's Cardinal Outfield

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TraveledLessRoad wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:24 pm I know this is a bit out of the box and might be borderline insane. But, what if next year's outfield was: Herrera in LF, JJ Wetherholt in CF, and Alec Burleson in RF? I believe the offensive output from these 3 could be near the top of the league. Now, I know this calls for putting 1 known not good outfielder in RF, and 2 completely unknowns in LF and CF, but I'd give it a whirl. JJ can play CF if he can play SS, 2b and 3b. Edman did it, Saggesse's done it. Heck, Kolten Wong did it.

That leaves you with Contreras at 1b, Donnie at 2b, Winn at SS, Arenado at 3rd, Crooks/Pages behind the dish, Saggesse and Church as IF/OF bench players and then go spend money on a big time bat that can play both 3rd base and DH.

Thoughts?
This would’ve been the year to experiment. For all the talk of runway and finding out what we have, they didn’t really answer any questions. Lost year.
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Re: Next Year's Cardinal Outfield

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Melville wrote: 24 Sep 2025 17:26 pm
Youboughtit wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:55 pm
TraveledLessRoad wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:24 pm I know this is a bit out of the box and might be borderline insane. But, what if next year's outfield was: Herrera in LF, JJ Wetherholt in CF, and Alec Burleson in RF? I believe the offensive output from these 3 could be near the top of the league. Now, I know this calls for putting 1 known not good outfielder in RF, and 2 completely unknowns in LF and CF, but I'd give it a whirl. JJ can play CF if he can play SS, 2b and 3b. Edman did it, Saggesse's done it. Heck, Kolten Wong did it.

That leaves you with Contreras at 1b, Donnie at 2b, Winn at SS, Arenado at 3rd, Crooks/Pages behind the dish, Saggesse and Church as IF/OF bench players and then go spend money on a big time bat that can play both 3rd base and DH.

Thoughts?
Arenado has said he doesn’t expect to be back so problem solved. Wetherholt to 2B and Donovan to 3B and go find a power hitting OF to pair with Scott in CF and a platoon of Burleson/Hererra at RF and DH
Moot and N/A traded.
Winn SS.
Gorman at 3B, JJ 2B.
Donovan LF.
Acquire a quality middle order RH RF.
Trade Walker.
Burleson, Contreras, Herrera 1B / DH.
Herrera can also take LF reps by preparing this off-season
Saggese utility.
Plenty of PA's to go around.
Creates bench and injury depth.
Scott in CF - trying to hold off a challenge from Baez after July
Be open to trade Donovan, Contreras, or Herrera if the right deal for starting pitching becomes available.
Easy
Obvious.
Correct.
And I suppose when pitched we will have someone retrieve it when it stops rolling? Your self smug big brain forgot to add a catcher.
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Re: Next Year's Cardinal Outfield

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Southern Illinois wrote: 24 Sep 2025 18:12 pm
Melville wrote: 24 Sep 2025 17:26 pm
Youboughtit wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:55 pm
TraveledLessRoad wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:24 pm I know this is a bit out of the box and might be borderline insane. But, what if next year's outfield was: Herrera in LF, JJ Wetherholt in CF, and Alec Burleson in RF? I believe the offensive output from these 3 could be near the top of the league. Now, I know this calls for putting 1 known not good outfielder in RF, and 2 completely unknowns in LF and CF, but I'd give it a whirl. JJ can play CF if he can play SS, 2b and 3b. Edman did it, Saggesse's done it. Heck, Kolten Wong did it.

That leaves you with Contreras at 1b, Donnie at 2b, Winn at SS, Arenado at 3rd, Crooks/Pages behind the dish, Saggesse and Church as IF/OF bench players and then go spend money on a big time bat that can play both 3rd base and DH.

Thoughts?
Arenado has said he doesn’t expect to be back so problem solved. Wetherholt to 2B and Donovan to 3B and go find a power hitting OF to pair with Scott in CF and a platoon of Burleson/Hererra at RF and DH
Moot and N/A traded.
Winn SS.
Gorman at 3B, JJ 2B.
Donovan LF.
Acquire a quality middle order RH RF.
Trade Walker.
Burleson, Contreras, Herrera 1B / DH.
Herrera can also take LF reps by preparing this off-season
Saggese utility.
Plenty of PA's to go around.
Creates bench and injury depth.
Scott in CF - trying to hold off a challenge from Baez after July
Be open to trade Donovan, Contreras, or Herrera if the right deal for starting pitching becomes available.
Easy
Obvious.
Correct.
And I suppose when pitched we will have someone retrieve it when it stops rolling? Your self smug big brain forgot to add a catcher.
Nope - that was intentional.
I am watching the potential market for one specific opportunity to emerge - and if it does not it is clear Pages/Crooks/Pozo will be assigned 2 roster spots with the odd man out moving on.
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Re: Next Year's Cardinal Outfield

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CorneliusWolfe wrote: 24 Sep 2025 18:04 pm
TraveledLessRoad wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:24 pm I know this is a bit out of the box and might be borderline insane. But, what if next year's outfield was: Herrera in LF, JJ Wetherholt in CF, and Alec Burleson in RF? I believe the offensive output from these 3 could be near the top of the league. Now, I know this calls for putting 1 known not good outfielder in RF, and 2 completely unknowns in LF and CF, but I'd give it a whirl. JJ can play CF if he can play SS, 2b and 3b. Edman did it, Saggesse's done it. Heck, Kolten Wong did it.

That leaves you with Contreras at 1b, Donnie at 2b, Winn at SS, Arenado at 3rd, Crooks/Pages behind the dish, Saggesse and Church as IF/OF bench players and then go spend money on a big time bat that can play both 3rd base and DH.

Thoughts?
This would’ve been the year to experiment. For all the talk of runway and finding out what we have, they didn’t really answer any questions. Lost year.
No. There were a lot of answered questions they just may not like the answers they were given. Gorman can’t hit or field and should be traded. The bullpen has multiple closer options so don’t need to search for a closer. Herrera is a keeper just need to DH him. Pallante isn’t a very good starter. Walker sucks in the field and hitting and should be traded or if kept started in the minors until he hits his way to the big leagues. Donovan should be traded or signed to an extension in the offseason. No way you keep him and let him just walk as a free agent. Noot should be traded. The only unanswered questions have a lot to do with Sonny Contreras and arenado and if they will waive and be traded
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Re: Next Year's Cardinal Outfield

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OldRed wrote: 24 Sep 2025 17:57 pm
Melville wrote: 24 Sep 2025 17:26 pm
Youboughtit wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:55 pm
TraveledLessRoad wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:24 pm I know this is a bit out of the box and might be borderline insane. But, what if next year's outfield was: Herrera in LF, JJ Wetherholt in CF, and Alec Burleson in RF? I believe the offensive output from these 3 could be near the top of the league. Now, I know this calls for putting 1 known not good outfielder in RF, and 2 completely unknowns in LF and CF, but I'd give it a whirl. JJ can play CF if he can play SS, 2b and 3b. Edman did it, Saggesse's done it. Heck, Kolten Wong did it.

That leaves you with Contreras at 1b, Donnie at 2b, Winn at SS, Arenado at 3rd, Crooks/Pages behind the dish, Saggesse and Church as IF/OF bench players and then go spend money on a big time bat that can play both 3rd base and DH.

Thoughts?
Arenado has said he doesn’t expect to be back so problem solved. Wetherholt to 2B and Donovan to 3B and go find a power hitting OF to pair with Scott in CF and a platoon of Burleson/Hererra at RF and DH
Moot and N/A traded.
Winn SS.
Gorman at 3B, JJ 2B.
Donovan LF.
Acquire a quality middle order RH RF.
Trade Walker.
Burleson, Contreras, Herrera 1B / DH.
Herrera can also take LF reps by preparing this off-season
Saggese utility.
Plenty of PA's to go around.
Creates bench and injury depth.
Scott in CF - trying to hold off a challenge from Baez after July
Be open to trade Donovan, Contreras, or Herrera if the right deal for starting pitching becomes available.
Easy
Obvious.
Correct.
Thak goodness you are not in charge.
We both know I could easily fix the roster in 30 days or less.
And no, trading one from the group of Donovan Contreras, or Herrera would be wise if the return in pitching was simply too good to pass up.
The starting pitching simply must be fixed.
Anyone who can't see that probably can't see the pitcher's mound from the first base dugout with binoculars.
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Re: Next Year's Cardinal Outfield

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Melville wrote: 24 Sep 2025 18:21 pm
OldRed wrote: 24 Sep 2025 17:57 pm
Melville wrote: 24 Sep 2025 17:26 pm
Youboughtit wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:55 pm
TraveledLessRoad wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:24 pm I know this is a bit out of the box and might be borderline insane. But, what if next year's outfield was: Herrera in LF, JJ Wetherholt in CF, and Alec Burleson in RF? I believe the offensive output from these 3 could be near the top of the league. Now, I know this calls for putting 1 known not good outfielder in RF, and 2 completely unknowns in LF and CF, but I'd give it a whirl. JJ can play CF if he can play SS, 2b and 3b. Edman did it, Saggesse's done it. Heck, Kolten Wong did it.

That leaves you with Contreras at 1b, Donnie at 2b, Winn at SS, Arenado at 3rd, Crooks/Pages behind the dish, Saggesse and Church as IF/OF bench players and then go spend money on a big time bat that can play both 3rd base and DH.

Thoughts?
Arenado has said he doesn’t expect to be back so problem solved. Wetherholt to 2B and Donovan to 3B and go find a power hitting OF to pair with Scott in CF and a platoon of Burleson/Hererra at RF and DH
Moot and N/A traded.
Winn SS.
Gorman at 3B, JJ 2B.
Donovan LF.
Acquire a quality middle order RH RF.
Trade Walker.
Burleson, Contreras, Herrera 1B / DH.
Herrera can also take LF reps by preparing this off-season
Saggese utility.
Plenty of PA's to go around.
Creates bench and injury depth.
Scott in CF - trying to hold off a challenge from Baez after July
Be open to trade Donovan, Contreras, or Herrera if the right deal for starting pitching becomes available.
Easy
Obvious.
Correct.
Thak goodness you are not in charge.
We both know I could easily fix the roster in 30 days or less.
And no, trading one from the group of Donovan Contreras, or Herrera would be wise if the return in pitching was simply too good to pass up.
The starting pitching simply must be fixed.
Anyone who can't see that probably can't see the pitcher's mound from the first base dugout with binoculars.
Trade Herrera and you make a weak offense worse and the only hitter who is hitting for power. We both know Gorman sucks and isn’t ever going to be a middle of the order bat. At best he’s a number 8 hitter who u run out if you have a good lineup and can survive with him striking out 2 or 3 times per game and only contributing a .200 average low on base sub .700 ops
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Re: Next Year's Cardinal Outfield

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Ozziesfan41 wrote: 24 Sep 2025 18:26 pm
Melville wrote: 24 Sep 2025 18:21 pm
OldRed wrote: 24 Sep 2025 17:57 pm
Melville wrote: 24 Sep 2025 17:26 pm
Youboughtit wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:55 pm
TraveledLessRoad wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:24 pm I know this is a bit out of the box and might be borderline insane. But, what if next year's outfield was: Herrera in LF, JJ Wetherholt in CF, and Alec Burleson in RF? I believe the offensive output from these 3 could be near the top of the league. Now, I know this calls for putting 1 known not good outfielder in RF, and 2 completely unknowns in LF and CF, but I'd give it a whirl. JJ can play CF if he can play SS, 2b and 3b. Edman did it, Saggesse's done it. Heck, Kolten Wong did it.

That leaves you with Contreras at 1b, Donnie at 2b, Winn at SS, Arenado at 3rd, Crooks/Pages behind the dish, Saggesse and Church as IF/OF bench players and then go spend money on a big time bat that can play both 3rd base and DH.

Thoughts?
Arenado has said he doesn’t expect to be back so problem solved. Wetherholt to 2B and Donovan to 3B and go find a power hitting OF to pair with Scott in CF and a platoon of Burleson/Hererra at RF and DH
Moot and N/A traded.
Winn SS.
Gorman at 3B, JJ 2B.
Donovan LF.
Acquire a quality middle order RH RF.
Trade Walker.
Burleson, Contreras, Herrera 1B / DH.
Herrera can also take LF reps by preparing this off-season
Saggese utility.
Plenty of PA's to go around.
Creates bench and injury depth.
Scott in CF - trying to hold off a challenge from Baez after July
Be open to trade Donovan, Contreras, or Herrera if the right deal for starting pitching becomes available.
Easy
Obvious.
Correct.
Thak goodness you are not in charge.
We both know I could easily fix the roster in 30 days or less.
And no, trading one from the group of Donovan Contreras, or Herrera would be wise if the return in pitching was simply too good to pass up.
The starting pitching simply must be fixed.
Anyone who can't see that probably can't see the pitcher's mound from the first base dugout with binoculars.
Trade Herrera and you make a weak offense worse and the only hitter who is hitting for power. We both know Gorman sucks and isn’t ever going to be a middle of the order bat. At best he’s a number 8 hitter who u run out if you have a good lineup and can survive with him striking out 2 or 3 times per game and only contributing a .200 average low on base sub .700 ops
False assumption on your part in several ways.
One, Herrera has looked like potential middle order bat for a whopping 5 weeks in the past 4 years.
Too soon to assume if he can become one and even worse to plan as if he is.
Two, worth noting I have correctly advised trading ONE from the group of Donovan, Contreras, and Herrera IF the return in pitching is simply too good to pass up.
Not sure why comprehending such clear and concise points is a challenge.
But that's not it at all, is it?
You simply want to argue when there isn't an argument, knowing full well what I have typed above is flawlessly correct.
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Re: Next Year's Cardinal Outfield

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Melville wrote: 24 Sep 2025 18:33 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 24 Sep 2025 18:26 pm
Melville wrote: 24 Sep 2025 18:21 pm
OldRed wrote: 24 Sep 2025 17:57 pm
Melville wrote: 24 Sep 2025 17:26 pm
Youboughtit wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:55 pm
TraveledLessRoad wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:24 pm I know this is a bit out of the box and might be borderline insane. But, what if next year's outfield was: Herrera in LF, JJ Wetherholt in CF, and Alec Burleson in RF? I believe the offensive output from these 3 could be near the top of the league. Now, I know this calls for putting 1 known not good outfielder in RF, and 2 completely unknowns in LF and CF, but I'd give it a whirl. JJ can play CF if he can play SS, 2b and 3b. Edman did it, Saggesse's done it. Heck, Kolten Wong did it.

That leaves you with Contreras at 1b, Donnie at 2b, Winn at SS, Arenado at 3rd, Crooks/Pages behind the dish, Saggesse and Church as IF/OF bench players and then go spend money on a big time bat that can play both 3rd base and DH.

Thoughts?
Arenado has said he doesn’t expect to be back so problem solved. Wetherholt to 2B and Donovan to 3B and go find a power hitting OF to pair with Scott in CF and a platoon of Burleson/Hererra at RF and DH
Moot and N/A traded.
Winn SS.
Gorman at 3B, JJ 2B.
Donovan LF.
Acquire a quality middle order RH RF.
Trade Walker.
Burleson, Contreras, Herrera 1B / DH.
Herrera can also take LF reps by preparing this off-season
Saggese utility.
Plenty of PA's to go around.
Creates bench and injury depth.
Scott in CF - trying to hold off a challenge from Baez after July
Be open to trade Donovan, Contreras, or Herrera if the right deal for starting pitching becomes available.
Easy
Obvious.
Correct.
Thak goodness you are not in charge.
We both know I could easily fix the roster in 30 days or less.
And no, trading one from the group of Donovan Contreras, or Herrera would be wise if the return in pitching was simply too good to pass up.
The starting pitching simply must be fixed.
Anyone who can't see that probably can't see the pitcher's mound from the first base dugout with binoculars.
Trade Herrera and you make a weak offense worse and the only hitter who is hitting for power. We both know Gorman sucks and isn’t ever going to be a middle of the order bat. At best he’s a number 8 hitter who u run out if you have a good lineup and can survive with him striking out 2 or 3 times per game and only contributing a .200 average low on base sub .700 ops
False assumption on your part in several ways.
One, Herrera has looked like potential middle order bat for a whopping 5 weeks in the past 4 years.
Too soon to assume if he can become one and even worse to plan as if he is.
Two, worth noting I have correctly advised trading ONE from the group of Donovan, Contreras, and Herrera IF the return in pitching is simply too good to pass up.
Not sure why comprehending such clear and concise points is a challenge.
But that's not it at all, is it?
You simply want to argue when there isn't an argument, knowing full well what I have typed above is flawlessly correct.
So you’re still sticking by Herrera has no power even though he has 5 more home runs than the great power hitting Gorman
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Re: Next Year's Cardinal Outfield

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Ozziesfan41 wrote: 24 Sep 2025 18:39 pm
Melville wrote: 24 Sep 2025 18:33 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 24 Sep 2025 18:26 pm
Melville wrote: 24 Sep 2025 18:21 pm
OldRed wrote: 24 Sep 2025 17:57 pm
Melville wrote: 24 Sep 2025 17:26 pm
Youboughtit wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:55 pm
TraveledLessRoad wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:24 pm I know this is a bit out of the box and might be borderline insane. But, what if next year's outfield was: Herrera in LF, JJ Wetherholt in CF, and Alec Burleson in RF? I believe the offensive output from these 3 could be near the top of the league. Now, I know this calls for putting 1 known not good outfielder in RF, and 2 completely unknowns in LF and CF, but I'd give it a whirl. JJ can play CF if he can play SS, 2b and 3b. Edman did it, Saggesse's done it. Heck, Kolten Wong did it.

That leaves you with Contreras at 1b, Donnie at 2b, Winn at SS, Arenado at 3rd, Crooks/Pages behind the dish, Saggesse and Church as IF/OF bench players and then go spend money on a big time bat that can play both 3rd base and DH.

Thoughts?
Arenado has said he doesn’t expect to be back so problem solved. Wetherholt to 2B and Donovan to 3B and go find a power hitting OF to pair with Scott in CF and a platoon of Burleson/Hererra at RF and DH
Moot and N/A traded.
Winn SS.
Gorman at 3B, JJ 2B.
Donovan LF.
Acquire a quality middle order RH RF.
Trade Walker.
Burleson, Contreras, Herrera 1B / DH.
Herrera can also take LF reps by preparing this off-season
Saggese utility.
Plenty of PA's to go around.
Creates bench and injury depth.
Scott in CF - trying to hold off a challenge from Baez after July
Be open to trade Donovan, Contreras, or Herrera if the right deal for starting pitching becomes available.
Easy
Obvious.
Correct.
Thak goodness you are not in charge.
We both know I could easily fix the roster in 30 days or less.
And no, trading one from the group of Donovan Contreras, or Herrera would be wise if the return in pitching was simply too good to pass up.
The starting pitching simply must be fixed.
Anyone who can't see that probably can't see the pitcher's mound from the first base dugout with binoculars.
Trade Herrera and you make a weak offense worse and the only hitter who is hitting for power. We both know Gorman sucks and isn’t ever going to be a middle of the order bat. At best he’s a number 8 hitter who u run out if you have a good lineup and can survive with him striking out 2 or 3 times per game and only contributing a .200 average low on base sub .700 ops
False assumption on your part in several ways.
One, Herrera has looked like potential middle order bat for a whopping 5 weeks in the past 4 years.
Too soon to assume if he can become one and even worse to plan as if he is.
Two, worth noting I have correctly advised trading ONE from the group of Donovan, Contreras, and Herrera IF the return in pitching is simply too good to pass up.
Not sure why comprehending such clear and concise points is a challenge.
But that's not it at all, is it?
You simply want to argue when there isn't an argument, knowing full well what I have typed above is flawlessly correct.
So you’re still sticking by Herrera has no power even though he has 5 more home runs than the great power hitting Gorman
Not sure why comprehending such clear and concise points is a challenge.
But that's not it at all, is it?
You simply want to argue when there isn't an argument, knowing full well what I have typed above is flawlessly correct.
Being kind, gracious, patient, and respectful to a fault, let me try again
"Herrera has looked like potential middle order bat for a whopping 5 weeks in the past 4 years.
Too soon to assume if he can become one and even worse to plan as if he is."
Obviously, you are smart enough to know that is indisputably true.
So why pretend that you aren't?
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Re: Next Year's Cardinal Outfield

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Talkin' Baseball wrote: 24 Sep 2025 13:00 pm
Youboughtit wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:58 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:55 pm The OF is an interesting topic going forward. I can see half a dozen different ways to build a good infield- the outfield not so much.

Burleson probably will be the RF. Herrera probably SHOULD be the LF. Wetherholt COULD be the CF. By "could" I don't mean there is a

chance that he will, I mean I think he could learn the position and do reasonably well there. I'm pretty sure he stays on the infield. It

was a good thought exercise, and you had me interested until you mentioned spending big bucks to get a big bat, or pitching. That's

not happening. Some of your players not mentioned, as well as some of your infielders will fetch whatever pitching is acquired.
Why play Burelson and Hererra in OF when DH available? One can DH
I don't mind if they DH, but I wouldn't assign anyone that role as their primary position. That's just me.
Because those 2 together in Lf/Rf would be the worst Of in baseball regardless of the CF
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Re: Next Year's Cardinal Outfield

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Ozziesfan41 wrote: 24 Sep 2025 18:21 pm
CorneliusWolfe wrote: 24 Sep 2025 18:04 pm
TraveledLessRoad wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:24 pm I know this is a bit out of the box and might be borderline insane. But, what if next year's outfield was: Herrera in LF, JJ Wetherholt in CF, and Alec Burleson in RF? I believe the offensive output from these 3 could be near the top of the league. Now, I know this calls for putting 1 known not good outfielder in RF, and 2 completely unknowns in LF and CF, but I'd give it a whirl. JJ can play CF if he can play SS, 2b and 3b. Edman did it, Saggesse's done it. Heck, Kolten Wong did it.

That leaves you with Contreras at 1b, Donnie at 2b, Winn at SS, Arenado at 3rd, Crooks/Pages behind the dish, Saggesse and Church as IF/OF bench players and then go spend money on a big time bat that can play both 3rd base and DH.

Thoughts?
This would’ve been the year to experiment. For all the talk of runway and finding out what we have, they didn’t really answer any questions. Lost year.
No. There were a lot of answered questions they just may not like the answers they were given. Gorman can’t hit or field and should be traded. The bullpen has multiple closer options so don’t need to search for a closer. Herrera is a keeper just need to DH him. Pallante isn’t a very good starter. Walker sucks in the field and hitting and should be traded or if kept started in the minors until he hits his way to the big leagues. Donovan should be traded or signed to an extension in the offseason. No way you keep him and let him just walk as a free agent. Noot should be traded. The only unanswered questions have a lot to do with Sonny Contreras and arenado and if they will waive and be traded
I feel like most of the things you cited were pretty much already known. Gorman didn’t even get 400 PAs and his play time was still sporadic and never got to play a position steadily, not defending him because he does appear to suck, and NA blocked him, but they could’ve benched NA sooner or traded Burleson at the deadline.

Walker should’ve long been sent down. Pallante….never understood that experiment in the first place, and why he got the nod over McGreevy or maybe Curtis Taylor from Memphis. Fedde blocked other starters for too long too. Can Herrera stay healthy? Can he hit for extra bases like a DH should? There were other options they could’ve/should’ve tried out. Wetherholt could’ve been an option but they were so worried about their 40-man JAG roster.

I agree Donovan should be traded or extended, probably traded because the team would basically be paying him for his over age 30 years, which hasn’t been a good formula the past several years.
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Re: Next Year's Cardinal Outfield

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CorneliusWolfe wrote: 24 Sep 2025 19:18 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 24 Sep 2025 18:21 pm
CorneliusWolfe wrote: 24 Sep 2025 18:04 pm
TraveledLessRoad wrote: 24 Sep 2025 12:24 pm I know this is a bit out of the box and might be borderline insane. But, what if next year's outfield was: Herrera in LF, JJ Wetherholt in CF, and Alec Burleson in RF? I believe the offensive output from these 3 could be near the top of the league. Now, I know this calls for putting 1 known not good outfielder in RF, and 2 completely unknowns in LF and CF, but I'd give it a whirl. JJ can play CF if he can play SS, 2b and 3b. Edman did it, Saggesse's done it. Heck, Kolten Wong did it.

That leaves you with Contreras at 1b, Donnie at 2b, Winn at SS, Arenado at 3rd, Crooks/Pages behind the dish, Saggesse and Church as IF/OF bench players and then go spend money on a big time bat that can play both 3rd base and DH.

Thoughts?
This would’ve been the year to experiment. For all the talk of runway and finding out what we have, they didn’t really answer any questions. Lost year.
No. There were a lot of answered questions they just may not like the answers they were given. Gorman can’t hit or field and should be traded. The bullpen has multiple closer options so don’t need to search for a closer. Herrera is a keeper just need to DH him. Pallante isn’t a very good starter. Walker sucks in the field and hitting and should be traded or if kept started in the minors until he hits his way to the big leagues. Donovan should be traded or signed to an extension in the offseason. No way you keep him and let him just walk as a free agent. Noot should be traded. The only unanswered questions have a lot to do with Sonny Contreras and arenado and if they will waive and be traded
I feel like most of the things you cited were pretty much already known. Gorman didn’t even get 400 PAs and his play time was still sporadic and never got to play a position steadily, not defending him because he does appear to suck, and NA blocked him, but they could’ve benched NA sooner or traded Burleson at the deadline.

Walker should’ve long been sent down. Pallante….never understood that experiment in the first place, and why he got the nod over McGreevy or maybe Curtis Taylor from Memphis. Fedde blocked other starters for too long too. Can Herrera stay healthy? Can he hit for extra bases like a DH should? There were other options they could’ve/should’ve tried out. Wetherholt could’ve been an option but they were so worried about their 40-man JAG roster.

I agree Donovan should be traded or extended, probably traded because the team would basically be paying him for his over age 30 years, which hasn’t been a good formula the past several years.
Gorman would have played a lot more if he hadn’t had his yearly back injury he posted his second consecutive sub .700 ops season he’s also had almost 1600 plate appearances and hasn’t grown as a player at all. He still has short hot streaks and long long streaks of futility and still flails helplessly at the high fastballs. If people don’t know what kind of player they have in Gorman by now they haven’t been watching his career
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