Chaim Bloom is ready for a multi-year rebuild for the Cardinals

[Talkin' Baseball]

Woo is guilty of the worst kind of "journalism" - complete and undocumented speculation based on unidentified sources.
She has zero idea what Bloom is thinking.
She has no idea what he thinks of the roster.
She has no idea what DeWitt is willing to spend.

I like her chances of getting it right better than yours or mine.

Why?
She made it clear that she has never spoken to Bloom about his specific plans for 2026.
No different than you or I.
Gossip and speculation from unidentified resources is no more valuable than what can be found daily here.
Maybe less so.
After all, she has subscriptions to sell and her "sources" may have a personal agenda.

Yawn.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

I don’t think it will take that long. As bad as we make them out to be, they haven’t been that bad really. They’ve been hovering around .500 the last three years. Definitely not where you deserve to be if you’re a Cardinals fan, but not as bad as a lot of teams. And maybe more importantly, not committed to a ton of money beyond this year. You have Gray, Contreras, and Arenado, and Nolan is the only one who really appears in steep decline. And you could probably trade him, if you eat a lot of money, and release him at worst to open up a spot for a younger player.

You still have some promising, young players at a lot of positions, with a big one, JJ Wetherholt, virtually a lock to make the team out of the spring. Some pretty interesting pitching coming up through the system as well. And while they’re not likely to impact the team next year, I think maybe 2027 could end up better than we think, provided the front office is motivated to spend some money to get it done.

I guess that’s my point. Yes, it’s a rebuild. Yes, it should have started earlier. But we’re not horrible, we have a decent core still, we have a lot of money coming off the books, along with some good prospects coming up in the next two years, so let’s not give the front office an excuse to sit around and do nothing. They promised that the new stadium would allow us to stay competitive with payroll. They said the same with the TV deal. No reason for them to drop like $70 million in payroll or something and only make up like half of it. Build from within and supplement those young players with higher paid vets. That’s how you succeeded for two decades in the first place.

[45s]

that is according to Katie Woo , Cards writer for the Athletic

Several people within the org have expressed various levels of concern re: how long it will take for the Cardinals to return to contention.

But almost all are in unison: A multi-year rebuild under soon-to-be POBO Chaim Bloom is looming — and it's what's best for the franchise.
Katie Woo
@katiejwoo
As a season full of questions comes to a close, what have the #STLCards really answered?

The short answer? Plenty. Their major-league roster, at least as currently constructed, is not good enough to avoid a true rebuild.

Here is the full article
https://redbirdrants.com/it-sure-sounds ... -offseason


Nothing most of us didn't expect , the 'draft and development ' of the new players will be the priority . Don't look for 2026 quick fixes to the major league roster.

Nothing like wasting a year in 2025……

Actually Mo wasted at least 2 years 2024 and 2025 taking a band aid approach . He wasn't about to admit to the fan base that the team needed a major overhaul . Bernie M. was much harsher saying 'Mo lied to the fanbase about the state of the team. ' According to Bernie , Mo was afraid the fans would bail on the team if he stated that . Well, it backfired on him , for the product on the field deteriorated so much, the fans weren't fooled with the inferior product . But Mo's failure is now water over the dam. He has left the mess for Bloom to clean up. At least , Bloom (along with Cerfolio ) got all of this year upgrading the minors (new technology, more coaches, etc. ) Best of luck to Bloom .

He wasted 2023 as well….

Let us not forget the “farewell tour “ years…

[Dewey Kuey]

I had been figuring it will take a long time. My guess, many of the players that will be bringing this team back to respectability is not even in the organization yet. I truly believe the next couple of years are going to suck before they slowly start to climb out of this hole. 4 to 5 years before they are a contending team again.

Crawling out of the hole isn’t just a matter of time…..
Does anyone think this is just a drafting exercise?? When in the history of the modern Cardinals has that happened??
If they can’t trade and sign some elite players the Cards will never recover to days of old

Maybe, maybe not. But if anyone including you Gold thinks this ownership is going to spend the kind of money it takes to build a top of the perch starting rotation then you haven't been paying attention the last 10 years. By 2030 its going to cost 40 mil a year or more for a top starting pitcher. You see DeWilt dropping 80-90 mil just on two pitchers? I don't. Pitchers like Sonny Gray is your #3 on a contending rotation. And I agree I don't think they can do this by drafting alone, but they better be developing some great pitching over next 5 years or this rebuild is only going to wind up with them being one of the better team in a weak division.....again

[Braund241]

that is according to Katie Woo , Cards writer for the Athletic

Several people within the org have expressed various levels of concern re: how long it will take for the Cardinals to return to contention.

But almost all are in unison: A multi-year rebuild under soon-to-be POBO Chaim Bloom is looming — and it's what's best for the franchise.
Katie Woo
@katiejwoo
As a season full of questions comes to a close, what have the #STLCards really answered?

The short answer? Plenty. Their major-league roster, at least as currently constructed, is not good enough to avoid a true rebuild.

Here is the full article
https://redbirdrants.com/it-sure-sounds ... -offseason


Nothing most of us didn't expect , the 'draft and development ' of the new players will be the priority . Don't look for 2026 quick fixes to the major league roster.

Oh good. 30 years after I am dead they may have a winning record. And no insurance there. They are a losing organization.

[45s]

I had been figuring it will take a long time. My guess, many of the players that will be bringing this team back to respectability is not even in the organization yet. I truly believe the next couple of years are going to suck before they slowly start to climb out of this hole. 4 to 5 years before they are a contending team again.

Crawling out of the hole isn’t just a matter of time…..
Does anyone think this is just a drafting exercise?? When in the history of the modern Cardinals has that happened??
If they can’t trade and sign some elite players the Cards will never recover to days of old

Maybe, maybe not. But if anyone including you Gold thinks this ownership is going to spend the kind of money it takes to build a top of the perch starting rotation then you haven't been paying attention the last 10 years. By 2030 its going to cost 40 mil a year or more for a top starting pitcher. You see DeWilt dropping 80-90 mil just on two pitchers? I don't. Pitchers like Sonny Gray is your #3 on a contending rotation. And I agree I don't think they can do this by drafting alone, but they better be developing some great pitching over next 5 years or this rebuild is only going to wind up with them being one of the better team in a weak division.....again

Agree…it’s very unlikely there will be large free agent deals..

Many on this board believe dewitt is looking to sell the club…….very difficult to market a team with significant debt….

If he were to do that, it signals he’s staying around awhile..

[jw0595]

Mediocrity is King! Song by Paul Thorn

It would take an 800 lb. Jesus to get us out of this mess....

[ecleme22]

I don’t think it will take that long. As bad as we make them out to be, they haven’t been that bad really. They’ve been hovering around .500 the last three years. Definitely not where you deserve to be if you’re a Cardinals fan, but not as bad as a lot of teams. And maybe more importantly, not committed to a ton of money beyond this year. You have Gray, Contreras, and Arenado, and Nolan is the only one who really appears in steep decline. And you could probably trade him, if you eat a lot of money, and release him at worst to open up a spot for a younger player.

You still have some promising, young players at a lot of positions, with a big one, JJ Wetherholt, virtually a lock to make the team out of the spring. Some pretty interesting pitching coming up through the system as well. And while they’re not likely to impact the team next year, I think maybe 2027 could end up better than we think, provided the front office is motivated to spend some money to get it done.

I guess that’s my point. Yes, it’s a rebuild. Yes, it should have started earlier. But we’re not horrible, we have a decent core still, we have a lot of money coming off the books, along with some good prospects coming up in the next two years, so let’s not give the front office an excuse to sit around and do nothing. They promised that the new stadium would allow us to stay competitive with payroll. They said the same with the TV deal. No reason for them to drop like $70 million in payroll or something and only make up like half of it. Build from within and supplement those young players with higher paid vets. That’s how you succeeded for two decades in the first place.

I agree. It’s not like this team is the 2011 cubs. Bloated roster full of vets, zero farm system.

The cards are around .500 the last few years. They haven’t traded a prospect since Oviedo 3+ years ago. Only accumulating.

Their ‘bloated’ contracts are Gray, NA, and WC. Gray is gone in a year. The other two under contract only until 2027.

This is a young team.

[Ozziesfan41]

I don’t think it will take that long. As bad as we make them out to be, they haven’t been that bad really. They’ve been hovering around .500 the last three years. Definitely not where you deserve to be if you’re a Cardinals fan, but not as bad as a lot of teams. And maybe more importantly, not committed to a ton of money beyond this year. You have Gray, Contreras, and Arenado, and Nolan is the only one who really appears in steep decline. And you could probably trade him, if you eat a lot of money, and release him at worst to open up a spot for a younger player.

You still have some promising, young players at a lot of positions, with a big one, JJ Wetherholt, virtually a lock to make the team out of the spring. Some pretty interesting pitching coming up through the system as well. And while they’re not likely to impact the team next year, I think maybe 2027 could end up better than we think, provided the front office is motivated to spend some money to get it done.

I guess that’s my point. Yes, it’s a rebuild. Yes, it should have started earlier. But we’re not horrible, we have a decent core still, we have a lot of money coming off the books, along with some good prospects coming up in the next two years, so let’s not give the front office an excuse to sit around and do nothing. They promised that the new stadium would allow us to stay competitive with payroll. They said the same with the TV deal. No reason for them to drop like $70 million in payroll or something and only make up like half of it. Build from within and supplement those young players with higher paid vets. That’s how you succeeded for two decades in the first place.

I agree. It’s not like this team is the 2011 cubs. Bloated roster full of vets, zero farm system.

The cards are around .500 the last few years. They haven’t traded a prospect since Oviedo 3+ years ago. Only accumulating.

Their ‘bloated’ contracts are Gray, NA, and WC. Gray is gone in a year. The other two under contract only until 2027.

This is a young team.

Young doesn’t mean good. This is a bad team. After the first three hitters the rest suck and the starting pitching sucks being around .500 doesn’t mean you’re good it means you’re mediocre

[Ronnie Dobbs]

I agree. It’s not like this team is the 2011 cubs. Bloated roster full of vets, zero farm system.

The cards are around .500 the last few years. They haven’t traded a prospect since Oviedo 3+ years ago. Only accumulating.

Their ‘bloated’ contracts are Gray, NA, and WC. Gray is gone in a year. The other two under contract only until 2027.

This is a young team.

Exactly. I think that the only one they really need to get rid of is Arenado. I think they gotta do what they gotta do to get him off the team, although it pains me to say it. If they can’t get anything for Gray, then he’s not a bad guy that can you can use as a solid veteran who can hold down a spot in the rotation and will be a good presence for some of the younger guys. Contreras is a guy that I think you want your young guys to emulate, so if he’s still on the team, and making $18 million, that’s not a ton of money.

They also have some interesting trade pieces in Donovan for sure, but maybe also Burleson, Nootbaar, and basically anyone else.

I don’t expect much from 2026, but 2027 could be interesting, provided a few things go our way and ownership is willing to do what it takes.

[Goldfan]

I agree. It’s not like this team is the 2011 cubs. Bloated roster full of vets, zero farm system.

The cards are around .500 the last few years. They haven’t traded a prospect since Oviedo 3+ years ago. Only accumulating.

Their ‘bloated’ contracts are Gray, NA, and WC. Gray is gone in a year. The other two under contract only until 2027.

This is a young team.

Exactly. I think that the only one they really need to get rid of is Arenado. I think they gotta do what they gotta do to get him off the team, although it pains me to say it. If they can’t get anything for Gray, then he’s not a bad guy that can you can use as a solid veteran who can hold down a spot in the rotation and will be a good presence for some of the younger guys. Contreras is a guy that I think you want your young guys to emulate, so if he’s still on the team, and making $18 million, that’s not a ton of money.

They also have some interesting trade pieces in Donovan for sure, but maybe also Burleson, Nootbaar, and basically anyone else.

I don’t expect much from 2026, but 2027 could be interesting, provided a few things go our way and ownership is willing to do what it takes.

Why should ‘27 be interesting? Where is this talent coming from? You theorize trading a couple of their better players …..who replaces them??
I see several comments like this with no real specifics……entire offense and SP will need to be replaced. Is magic involved?

[Carp4Cy]

that is according to Katie Woo , Cards writer for the Athletic

Several people within the org have expressed various levels of concern re: how long it will take for the Cardinals to return to contention.

But almost all are in unison: A multi-year rebuild under soon-to-be POBO Chaim Bloom is looming — and it's what's best for the franchise.
Katie Woo
@katiejwoo
As a season full of questions comes to a close, what have the #STLCards really answered?

The short answer? Plenty. Their major-league roster, at least as currently constructed, is not good enough to avoid a true rebuild.

Here is the full article
https://redbirdrants.com/it-sure-sounds ... -offseason


Nothing most of us didn't expect , the 'draft and development ' of the new players will be the priority . Don't look for 2026 quick fixes to the major league roster.

Nothing like wasting a year in 2025……

Actually Mo wasted at least 2 years 2024 and 2025 taking a band aid approach . He wasn't about to admit to the fan base that the team needed a major overhaul . Bernie M. was much harsher saying 'Mo lied to the fanbase about the state of the team. ' According to Bernie , Mo was afraid the fans would bail on the team if he stated that . Well, it backfired on him , for the product on the field deteriorated so much, the fans weren't fooled with the inferior product . But Mo's failure is now water over the dam. He has left the mess for Bloom to clean up. At least , Bloom (along with Cerfolio ) got all of this year upgrading the minors (new technology, more coaches, etc. ) Best of luck to Bloom .

Absolutely……I was just referring to Bloom signing the contract LAST YEAR after the season and having MO remain and it “be his team still”
This has turned into the stupidest organizations to all of sports…….hurts to say that.

Bloom has been with the Cards and heir apparent for 2 years , not 1.

[Ozziesfan41]

I agree. It’s not like this team is the 2011 cubs. Bloated roster full of vets, zero farm system.

The cards are around .500 the last few years. They haven’t traded a prospect since Oviedo 3+ years ago. Only accumulating.

Their ‘bloated’ contracts are Gray, NA, and WC. Gray is gone in a year. The other two under contract only until 2027.

This is a young team.

Exactly. I think that the only one they really need to get rid of is Arenado. I think they gotta do what they gotta do to get him off the team, although it pains me to say it. If they can’t get anything for Gray, then he’s not a bad guy that can you can use as a solid veteran who can hold down a spot in the rotation and will be a good presence for some of the younger guys. Contreras is a guy that I think you want your young guys to emulate, so if he’s still on the team, and making $18 million, that’s not a ton of money.

They also have some interesting trade pieces in Donovan for sure, but maybe also Burleson, Nootbaar, and basically anyone else.

I don’t expect much from 2026, but 2027 could be interesting, provided a few things go our way and ownership is willing to do what it takes.

Why should ‘27 be interesting? Where is this talent coming from? You theorize trading a couple of their better players …..who replaces them??
I see several comments like this with no real specifics……entire offense and SP will need to be replaced. Is magic involved?

The cardinals aren’t going to be making big free agent signings they aren’t making any trades for veteran players. Trades they make will be guys like noot or Donovan or burly for more minor leaguers hopefully Gorman also. That’s what is happening you can complain all you want but it doesn’t change that is what will happen. Just because you don’t want a rebuild doesn’t mean others don’t want one. The rebuild is coming accept it or you should probably get on some medication

[spfldan]

Our winning AA team provides at least a glimmer of hope for a better future.

[Goldfan]

I agree. It’s not like this team is the 2011 cubs. Bloated roster full of vets, zero farm system.

The cards are around .500 the last few years. They haven’t traded a prospect since Oviedo 3+ years ago. Only accumulating.

Their ‘bloated’ contracts are Gray, NA, and WC. Gray is gone in a year. The other two under contract only until 2027.

This is a young team.

Exactly. I think that the only one they really need to get rid of is Arenado. I think they gotta do what they gotta do to get him off the team, although it pains me to say it. If they can’t get anything for Gray, then he’s not a bad guy that can you can use as a solid veteran who can hold down a spot in the rotation and will be a good presence for some of the younger guys. Contreras is a guy that I think you want your young guys to emulate, so if he’s still on the team, and making $18 million, that’s not a ton of money.

They also have some interesting trade pieces in Donovan for sure, but maybe also Burleson, Nootbaar, and basically anyone else.

I don’t expect much from 2026, but 2027 could be interesting, provided a few things go our way and ownership is willing to do what it takes.

Why should ‘27 be interesting? Where is this talent coming from? You theorize trading a couple of their better players …..who replaces them??
I see several comments like this with no real specifics……entire offense and SP will need to be replaced. Is magic involved?

The cardinals aren’t going to be making big free agent signings they aren’t making any trades for veteran players. Trades they make will be guys like noot or Donovan or burly for more minor leaguers hopefully Gorman also. That’s what is happening you can complain all you want but it doesn’t change that is what will happen. Just because you don’t want a rebuild doesn’t mean others don’t want one. The rebuild is coming accept it or you should probably get on some medication

Perhaps reread my question…….as you say no $$$ FA, no vet trades, not much talent in minors and as this season of YUTES proved not much young talent on the ML Team. So where or what is this REBUILD coming from??? Waiting for several years to hopefully draft enough talent to eventually field a ML team??? For that to work a major tank job for 4-5 years will need to commence. Please provide detail because just saying “we’re going through a rebuild” means nothing.

[clemonsonroots]

Entering a rebuild lol...so this wasn't already one. I think this article cements the truth in that we are officially turning into the Pirates and Royals and will not spend to compete and just hope for a good run once every twenty years. Sad day to be a cards fan.