Contreras in IL and will miss rest of season

[Horseradish]

Assuming that’s the case, it’s been yet another solid year for the 33-year-old Contreras. The catcher-turned-first-baseman hit .257/.344/.447 (123 wRC+) with 20 homers, 31 doubles and a triple in 563 turns at the plate. His first full year at a new position has generally gone well, too. Defensive Runs Saved (+1) and Statcast’s Outs Above Average (+6) both feel that Contreras has been not only passable at first base but better than average. One would imagine that his defensive chops could continue to improve as he further acclimates to his new home on the diamond, though he’ll also play next season at age 34, so there’ll be a give-and-take between Contreras getting more experience at first base but also slowing down as he ages into his mid-30s.

Agreed

Wish we had two more just like him.

He barely eclipsed Goldy’s numbers last season and he was let go……..his numbers are basically his career avg….whether at C or 1b. Good hitting C very avg 1B

Yet in another thread you said his numbers are down besides RBI. You really are all over the map with weird takes.

What don’t you understand…..I said BASICALLY….and yes they are lower despite not Catching and playing 135games a career high
With the point being Goldy put up SIMILAR numbers and the team moved on……

I understand that words have meaning and you can’t stay consistent with your whining. Cool story about Goldy.

Take a look at his career stats and let me know what moving to 1b and playing a career high 135games(WOW) did for his numbers this season
6 more RBI than career high??? OH BOY
If not worrying or getting beat up catching was suppose to free him to concentrate on HITTING and play more games
Why aren’this BA, HR, OBP, OPS, SLG……. at career highs for ‘25???

You keep using the straw man that his numbers, specifically his rate stats, were supposed to get better with the move. No one intelligent was saying that should happen. It was all about making him more available to play more games, which is what happened. You moving the goalposts with this expectation that his hittting would somehow improve is getting old, no one said that.

[CorneliusWolfe]

Assuming that’s the case, it’s been yet another solid year for the 33-year-old Contreras. The catcher-turned-first-baseman hit .257/.344/.447 (123 wRC+) with 20 homers, 31 doubles and a triple in 563 turns at the plate. His first full year at a new position has generally gone well, too. Defensive Runs Saved (+1) and Statcast’s Outs Above Average (+6) both feel that Contreras has been not only passable at first base but better than average. One would imagine that his defensive chops could continue to improve as he further acclimates to his new home on the diamond, though he’ll also play next season at age 34, so there’ll be a give-and-take between Contreras getting more experience at first base but also slowing down as he ages into his mid-30s.

Agreed

Wish we had two more just like him.

He barely eclipsed Goldy’s numbers last season and he was let go……..his numbers are basically his career avg….whether at C or 1b. Good hitting C very avg 1B

PG .716 to WC .791 OPS. 15 more RBI in 30 less ABs. Defense was surprisingly on par. Neither guy had elite numbers but I’d say WC was a little more than “barely” better.

[Goldfan]

Assuming that’s the case, it’s been yet another solid year for the 33-year-old Contreras. The catcher-turned-first-baseman hit .257/.344/.447 (123 wRC+) with 20 homers, 31 doubles and a triple in 563 turns at the plate. His first full year at a new position has generally gone well, too. Defensive Runs Saved (+1) and Statcast’s Outs Above Average (+6) both feel that Contreras has been not only passable at first base but better than average. One would imagine that his defensive chops could continue to improve as he further acclimates to his new home on the diamond, though he’ll also play next season at age 34, so there’ll be a give-and-take between Contreras getting more experience at first base but also slowing down as he ages into his mid-30s.

Agreed

Wish we had two more just like him.

He barely eclipsed Goldy’s numbers last season and he was let go……..his numbers are basically his career avg….whether at C or 1b. Good hitting C very avg 1B

PG .716 to WC .791 OPS. 15 more RBI in 30 less ABs. Defense was surprisingly on par. Neither guy had elite numbers but I’d say WC was a little more than “barely” better.

Both are still within the VERY AVG range

[CorneliusWolfe]

Assuming that’s the case, it’s been yet another solid year for the 33-year-old Contreras. The catcher-turned-first-baseman hit .257/.344/.447 (123 wRC+) with 20 homers, 31 doubles and a triple in 563 turns at the plate. His first full year at a new position has generally gone well, too. Defensive Runs Saved (+1) and Statcast’s Outs Above Average (+6) both feel that Contreras has been not only passable at first base but better than average. One would imagine that his defensive chops could continue to improve as he further acclimates to his new home on the diamond, though he’ll also play next season at age 34, so there’ll be a give-and-take between Contreras getting more experience at first base but also slowing down as he ages into his mid-30s.

Agreed

Wish we had two more just like him.

He barely eclipsed Goldy’s numbers last season and he was let go……..his numbers are basically his career avg….whether at C or 1b. Good hitting C very avg 1B

PG .716 to WC .791 OPS. 15 more RBI in 30 less ABs. Defense was surprisingly on par. Neither guy had elite numbers but I’d say WC was a little more than “barely” better.

Both are still within the VERY AVG range

If VERY AVG encompasses below average-to-slightly above average, then yes.

Neither one was anything special but one played his part and the other hurt the team.

[StlMike1969]

Assuming that’s the case, it’s been yet another solid year for the 33-year-old Contreras. The catcher-turned-first-baseman hit .257/.344/.447 (123 wRC+) with 20 homers, 31 doubles and a triple in 563 turns at the plate. His first full year at a new position has generally gone well, too. Defensive Runs Saved (+1) and Statcast’s Outs Above Average (+6) both feel that Contreras has been not only passable at first base but better than average. One would imagine that his defensive chops could continue to improve as he further acclimates to his new home on the diamond, though he’ll also play next season at age 34, so there’ll be a give-and-take between Contreras getting more experience at first base but also slowing down as he ages into his mid-30s.

I have to respectfully submit that we as fans should honestly be striving for more from $18 mill a year players. I do not dislike the guy however I feel he is just not the integral piece on this team some feel he is. Look, 20HR's and 31 doubles are good stats and yes he is passable at defense. It is just that this team is need of some serious chemistry and players with truly solid numbers. For $18 mill I am thinking .280+, 25 HRs, 40 doubles is more of stat line we should be seeing. Wilson also does not appear to be a long term solution with this team in rebuild mode, and it should be about players looking to be here 5 years from now. I am one that is hoping he is convinced to go to a contender in the off season.

I think you are expecting too much for $18 million. It doesn't buy what it used to.

You are correct. I am probably looking too much at it from the view point that I do not believe any player should be making north of $30 mill a year. The salaries are crippling to the mid to lower payroll teams and means only the top 7 to 10 teams really get to have the true studs in the game. I just have a hard time with fans posting about what a great player Wilson is and we should be thankful to have him. I ask why are we settling for so little expectations. Just like why do guys like Mikolas and Fedde get to stink so badly for so long when someone younger can produce just as well. Yes we are lacking talent but we will never know if that talent is there if a guys best chance to learn and produce are wasted in the minors? Guys like a Koperniak or Baker had decent seasons in the minors and got left to rot. I think it matters to a guys psyche to do what your asked to only watch guys like a Gorman, Scott or Walker just get free passes because of some brief moments of success. Maybe they were just 4A players or maybe if given a proper chance to play would have risen to the moment. We will never know. Point is Burleson who is till cheap could be manning 1st base and producing the same or better numbers. That opens up another spot for someone like a Prieto to come up and get some at bats. When Burleson gets his chance for a paycheck he too should be held to the same metrics. This team should be striving to get their best possible 9 at all times. Contracts should not dictate playing time. Production should in my opinion. Chemistry is another factor to all of this.

[Shady]

"When Burleson gets his chance for a paycheck he too should be held to the same metrics". The Burly bashers seem to be incapable of either comprehending or admitting what a value Burleson has been for the Cardinals organization.

[alw80]

Assuming that’s the case, it’s been yet another solid year for the 33-year-old Contreras. The catcher-turned-first-baseman hit .257/.344/.447 (123 wRC+) with 20 homers, 31 doubles and a triple in 563 turns at the plate. His first full year at a new position has generally gone well, too. Defensive Runs Saved (+1) and Statcast’s Outs Above Average (+6) both feel that Contreras has been not only passable at first base but better than average. One would imagine that his defensive chops could continue to improve as he further acclimates to his new home on the diamond, though he’ll also play next season at age 34, so there’ll be a give-and-take between Contreras getting more experience at first base but also slowing down as he ages into his mid-30s.

Agreed

Wish we had two more just like him.

He barely eclipsed Goldy’s numbers last season and he was let go……..his numbers are basically his career avg….whether at C or 1b. Good hitting C very avg 1B

The signing never made any sense.

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Assuming that’s the case, it’s been yet another solid year for the 33-year-old Contreras. The catcher-turned-first-baseman hit .257/.344/.447 (123 wRC+) with 20 homers, 31 doubles and a triple in 563 turns at the plate. His first full year at a new position has generally gone well, too. Defensive Runs Saved (+1) and Statcast’s Outs Above Average (+6) both feel that Contreras has been not only passable at first base but better than average. One would imagine that his defensive chops could continue to improve as he further acclimates to his new home on the diamond, though he’ll also play next season at age 34, so there’ll be a give-and-take between Contreras getting more experience at first base but also slowing down as he ages into his mid-30s.

Agreed

Wish we had two more just like him.

He barely eclipsed Goldy’s numbers last season and he was let go……..his numbers are basically his career avg….whether at C or 1b. Good hitting C very avg 1B

Goldschmidt was making $26 million for those numbers, and those numbers were far worse than Contreras'. So you can drop this now.

[Ozziesfan41]

Assuming that’s the case, it’s been yet another solid year for the 33-year-old Contreras. The catcher-turned-first-baseman hit .257/.344/.447 (123 wRC+) with 20 homers, 31 doubles and a triple in 563 turns at the plate. His first full year at a new position has generally gone well, too. Defensive Runs Saved (+1) and Statcast’s Outs Above Average (+6) both feel that Contreras has been not only passable at first base but better than average. One would imagine that his defensive chops could continue to improve as he further acclimates to his new home on the diamond, though he’ll also play next season at age 34, so there’ll be a give-and-take between Contreras getting more experience at first base but also slowing down as he ages into his mid-30s.

Agreed

Wish we had two more just like him.

He barely eclipsed Goldy’s numbers last season and he was let go……..his numbers are basically his career avg….whether at C or 1b. Good hitting C very avg 1B

I don’t get your obsession with Contreras what you think they should have kept Goldschmidt? It’s just dumb to even compare the two situations. Yea of course they let goldy go as they should have and if Contreras was a free agent guess what they would let him go also but he’s on contract they wanted to trade him he didn’t want to be traded so guess what they can’t just let him go. To constantly whine and cry and complain about Contreras who leads the team in rbi hrs and has a .791 OPS is just bizarre

[ecleme22]

Assuming that’s the case, it’s been yet another solid year for the 33-year-old Contreras. The catcher-turned-first-baseman hit .257/.344/.447 (123 wRC+) with 20 homers, 31 doubles and a triple in 563 turns at the plate. His first full year at a new position has generally gone well, too. Defensive Runs Saved (+1) and Statcast’s Outs Above Average (+6) both feel that Contreras has been not only passable at first base but better than average. One would imagine that his defensive chops could continue to improve as he further acclimates to his new home on the diamond, though he’ll also play next season at age 34, so there’ll be a give-and-take between Contreras getting more experience at first base but also slowing down as he ages into his mid-30s.

Agreed

Wish we had two more just like him.

He barely eclipsed Goldy’s numbers last season and he was let go……..his numbers are basically his career avg….whether at C or 1b. Good hitting C very avg 1B

PG .716 to WC .791 OPS. 15 more RBI in 30 less ABs. Defense was surprisingly on par. Neither guy had elite numbers but I’d say WC was a little more than “barely” better.

Both are still within the VERY AVG range

Eh, a .716 ops is nothing like a .792 ops