The Keepers

[dugoutrex]

Good morning.

Can we say we have now had our first assessment year in the reset. Remember- cut contracts first- Goldy. Wanted to cut Arenado, didn’t happen: yet. Then play a season to see who sticks.

Libby- a future number three
Mcg- a future number three
Pallante- a future number five
Leahy- a starter???
O’Brien- works in the pen
Donovan- my second baseman
Winn- win win
JJ - goes to third. Think George Brett
Herrera- left field.
Church- CF
Burleson- to first. Lacks that position power.
Willy- will see his brothers success and want some- he waives NTC.
Nolan. Waives NTC.

That’s it.

I’m trading bundles to solve three positions-2 x TOR studs. One power hitter preferred right field. This all will not happen this off season. the rebuild is a three year process.

This makes me a .500 or better team in year two of the reset.

I don't hate it but ... JJ to 2nd - trade Donny - Nolan at 3rd (he ain't going anywhere)

[ICCFIM2]

Just guessing:

Contreras - 1b
Wetherholt - 2b
Winn - SS
Arenado/Gorman - 3b
Herrera/Burleson LF
Scott - CF
Walker/Burleson - RF

Pages/Crooks - C

Gorman, Burleson, Herrera take turns at DH

Gray
Liberatore
McGreevy
Addition
Q. Mathews

Graceffo
Svanson
Romero
O'Brien
Pallante
??
??

If you are trading Donovan and Nootbar, which is what your roster suggests, they should get a SP back that is better than a #4. Mathews is walking 4-5 batters a game in 5 inning outings in Memphis right now. No way he is ready to start the season in the rotation. You omitted Leahy from the pitchers. He should be in the rotation before Mathews or at a minimum in the pen.

I would not be surprised if they traded Crooks this offseason to get a SP. Bernal is not that far behind him and is likely the better prospect. So starting the season with Pages and Pojo with Bernal ready to be called up is not the worst thing. They also really do need to try and trade Arenado again, badly.

[ICCFIM2]

Good morning.

Can we say we have now had our first assessment year in the reset. Remember- cut contracts first- Goldy. Wanted to cut Arenado, didn’t happen: yet. Then play a season to see who sticks.

Libby- a future number three
Mcg- a future number three
Pallante- a future number five
Leahy- a starter???
O’Brien- works in the pen
Donovan- my second baseman
Winn- win win
JJ - goes to third. Think George Brett
Herrera- left field.
Church- CF
Burleson- to first. Lacks that position power.
Willy- will see his brothers success and want some- he waives NTC.
Nolan. Waives NTC.

That’s it.

I’m trading bundles to solve three positions-2 x TOR studs. One power hitter preferred right field. This all will not happen this off season. the rebuild is a three year process.

This makes me a .500 or better team in year two of the reset.

I would think Libby is really a #4. Pallante should not be in the rotation. I am ready to give Leahy his spot and see how he does, which you appear to potentially agree with. I think in CF, the Cards will need to package one of Scott or Church in a trade for a ML ready SP. I am indifferent to which one they keep. I think it depends on the get. I hope you are right about Arenado waiving the NTC. I think Contreras stays. If Wetherholdt is who we think he can be, if the team acquires 2 ML ready SPs that perform decently and if Baez is ready for a mid season call up and performs next year, this team could become excitingly good quickly. Lot of ifs there. But hope springs eternal.

[JuanAgosto]

Just guessing:

Contreras - 1b
Wetherholt - 2b
Winn - SS
Arenado/Gorman - 3b
Herrera/Burleson LF
Scott - CF
Walker/Burleson - RF

Pages/Crooks - C

Gorman, Burleson, Herrera take turns at DH

Gray
Liberatore
McGreevy
Addition
Q. Mathews

Graceffo
Svanson
Romero
O'Brien
Pallante
??
??

If you are trading Donovan and Nootbar, which is what your roster suggests, they should get a SP back that is better than a #4. Mathews is walking 4-5 batters a game in 5 inning outings in Memphis right now. No way he is ready to start the season in the rotation. You omitted Leahy from the pitchers. He should be in the rotation before Mathews or at a minimum in the pen.

I would not be surprised if they traded Crooks this offseason to get a SP. Bernal is not that far behind him and is likely the better prospect. So starting the season with Pages and Pojo with Bernal ready to be called up is not the worst thing. They also really do need to try and trade Arenado again, badly.

You are right, I forgot Leahy. Maybe he slides into rotation. Maybe not. I think Donovan could bring a #3 sp. Nootbaar will not return one that high. And no way Crooks brings back an MLB starting pitcher.

[JuanAgosto]

Just guessing:

Contreras - 1b
Wetherholt - 2b
Winn - SS
Arenado/Gorman - 3b
Herrera/Burleson LF
Scott - CF
Walker/Burleson - RF

Pages/Crooks - C

Gorman, Burleson, Herrera take turns at DH

Gray
Liberatore
McGreevy
Addition
Q. Mathews

Graceffo
Svanson
Romero
O'Brien
Pallante
??
??

This would absolutely be Mo's roster if he weren't 2 weeks away from termination. Plus probably fill in the "addition" with a 1 year incentive contract for Mikolas, who honestly has been better than Pallante, though still not good enough on the whole.

Unfortunately it may be Bloom’s roster if ol Bill keeps the powder dry.

[ICCFIM2]

Just guessing:

Contreras - 1b
Wetherholt - 2b
Winn - SS
Arenado/Gorman - 3b
Herrera/Burleson LF
Scott - CF
Walker/Burleson - RF

Pages/Crooks - C

Gorman, Burleson, Herrera take turns at DH

Gray
Liberatore
McGreevy
Addition
Q. Mathews

Graceffo
Svanson
Romero
O'Brien
Pallante
??
??

If you are trading Donovan and Nootbar, which is what your roster suggests, they should get a SP back that is better than a #4. Mathews is walking 4-5 batters a game in 5 inning outings in Memphis right now. No way he is ready to start the season in the rotation. You omitted Leahy from the pitchers. He should be in the rotation before Mathews or at a minimum in the pen.

I would not be surprised if they traded Crooks this offseason to get a SP. Bernal is not that far behind him and is likely the better prospect. So starting the season with Pages and Pojo with Bernal ready to be called up is not the worst thing. They also really do need to try and trade Arenado again, badly.

You are right, I forgot Leahy. Maybe he slides into rotation. Maybe not. I think Donovan could bring a #3 sp. Nootbaar will not return one that high. And no way Crooks brings back an MLB starting pitcher.

I agree Crooks by himself will not bring back a SP. But, when I look at a team like the Mets, they need a catcher and a CF. They might be willing to take one of Scott or Church plus one of Crooks or Pages and trade us one of their SP prospects that are ML ready. While those guys do not necessarily solve their problems entirely, it is possible. I don't think we are going to get back ML proven talent for any of these guys. It is going to be prospects. Jonah Tong in the Mets system is the #43 prospect in MLB and has a 19 trade value per Baseball Trade Value. 19 is about the combined trade value of Crooks and Scott. That trade might hurt, but, it would bring back a better pitching prospect than Mathews.

I just looked at him and they do have him up at the MLs now. He has walked a lot of guys, but is striking out 10 per 9. Who knows, we will see...

[Carp4Cy]

Just guessing:

Contreras - 1b
Wetherholt - 2b
Winn - SS
Arenado/Gorman - 3b
Herrera/Burleson LF
Scott - CF
Walker/Burleson - RF

Pages/Crooks - C

Gorman, Burleson, Herrera take turns at DH

Gray
Liberatore
McGreevy
Addition
Q. Mathews

Graceffo
Svanson
Romero
O'Brien
Pallante
??
??

This would absolutely be Mo's roster if he weren't 2 weeks away from termination. Plus probably fill in the "addition" with a 1 year incentive contract for Mikolas, who honestly has been better than Pallante, though still not good enough on the whole.

Unfortunately it may be Bloom’s roster if ol Bill keeps the powder dry.

If BDW is suddenly going to be that big a scrooge, Bloom might as well start looking for an organization that will actually allow him to succeed all the way.

[JuanAgosto]

Just guessing:

Contreras - 1b
Wetherholt - 2b
Winn - SS
Arenado/Gorman - 3b
Herrera/Burleson LF
Scott - CF
Walker/Burleson - RF

Pages/Crooks - C

Gorman, Burleson, Herrera take turns at DH

Gray
Liberatore
McGreevy
Addition
Q. Mathews

Graceffo
Svanson
Romero
O'Brien
Pallante
??
??

This would absolutely be Mo's roster if he weren't 2 weeks away from termination. Plus probably fill in the "addition" with a 1 year incentive contract for Mikolas, who honestly has been better than Pallante, though still not good enough on the whole.

Unfortunately it may be Bloom’s roster if ol Bill keeps the powder dry.

If BDW is suddenly going to be that big a scrooge, Bloom might as well start looking for an organization that will actually allow him to succeed all the way.

Bloom has probably been told that DeWitt will spend after the possible work stoppage in '27. He (Bloom), probably should've talked to Arenado about the organization's "promises".

[Youboughtit]

Just guessing:

Contreras - 1b
Wetherholt - 2b
Winn - SS
Arenado/Gorman - 3b
Herrera/Burleson LF
Scott - CF
Walker/Burleson - RF

Pages/Crooks - C

Gorman, Burleson, Herrera take turns at DH

Gray
Liberatore
McGreevy
Addition
Q. Mathews

Graceffo
Svanson
Romero
O'Brien
Pallante
??
??

This would absolutely be Mo's roster if he weren't 2 weeks away from termination. Plus probably fill in the "addition" with a 1 year incentive contract for Mikolas, who honestly has been better than Pallante, though still not good enough on the whole.

Unfortunately it may be Bloom’s roster if ol Bill keeps the powder dry.

If BDW is suddenly going to be that big a scrooge, Bloom might as well start looking for an organization that will actually allow him to succeed all the way.

Bloom has probably been told that DeWitt will spend after the possible work stoppage in '27. He (Bloom), probably should've talked to Arenado about the organization's "promises".

1- 1.2m fans max to see that team. Likely 70 wins but worse yet. Apathy. It a group of boring players with no superstars in their prime. What has to happen is find a core. 3 position players and 2 SP that are elite and then build around them. I will hope maybe Wetherholt and Doyle are 2. The others must come from trades or FA. To me everyone must be on the market except those 2 and try to package 3-4 of them for a young star caliber player in return. For example Jobe from Detroit or Tucker or Bichette in FA. Get the stars and fans will attend.

[JuanAgosto]

Just guessing:

Contreras - 1b
Wetherholt - 2b
Winn - SS
Arenado/Gorman - 3b
Herrera/Burleson LF
Scott - CF
Walker/Burleson - RF

Pages/Crooks - C

Gorman, Burleson, Herrera take turns at DH

Gray
Liberatore
McGreevy
Addition
Q. Mathews

Graceffo
Svanson
Romero
O'Brien
Pallante
??
??

This would absolutely be Mo's roster if he weren't 2 weeks away from termination. Plus probably fill in the "addition" with a 1 year incentive contract for Mikolas, who honestly has been better than Pallante, though still not good enough on the whole.

Unfortunately it may be Bloom’s roster if ol Bill keeps the powder dry.

If BDW is suddenly going to be that big a scrooge, Bloom might as well start looking for an organization that will actually allow him to succeed all the way.

Bloom has probably been told that DeWitt will spend after the possible work stoppage in '27. He (Bloom), probably should've talked to Arenado about the organization's "promises".

1- 1.2m fans max to see that team. Likely 70 wins but worse yet. Apathy. It a group of boring players with no superstars in their prime. What has to happen is find a core. 3 position players and 2 SP that are elite and then build around them. I will hope maybe Wetherholt and Doyle are 2. The others must come from trades or FA. To me everyone must be on the market except those 2 and try to package 3-4 of them for a young star caliber player in return. For example Jobe from Detroit or Tucker or Bichette in FA. Get the stars and fans will attend.

I agree with you but dont see it happening. DeWitt seems intent on a cheap rebuild. Or he's gutting costs preparing to sell.

[renostl]

Good morning.

Can we say we have now had our first assessment year in the reset. Remember- cut contracts first- Goldy. Wanted to cut Arenado, didn’t happen: yet. Then play a season to see who sticks.

Libby- a future number three
Mcg- a future number three
Pallante- a future number five
Leahy- a starter???
O’Brien- works in the pen
Donovan- my second baseman
Winn- win win
JJ - goes to third. Think George Brett
Herrera- left field.
Church- CF
Burleson- to first. Lacks that position power.
Willy- will see his brothers success and want some- he waives NTC.
Nolan. Waives NTC.

That’s it.

I’m trading bundles to solve three positions-2 x TOR studs. One power hitter preferred right field. This all will not happen this off season. the rebuild is a three year process.

This makes me a .500 or better team in year two of the reset.

They will have to keep any of the viable pitching options for the MLB level.

After that there is a team full of redundant players.
Difficult for one to be a lot more of a keeper than the other.

I'd like to keep BD but only If he is a starter in the infield. JJ will be kept. That's it really.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Good morning.

Can we say we have now had our first assessment year in the reset. Remember- cut contracts first- Goldy. Wanted to cut Arenado, didn’t happen: yet. Then play a season to see who sticks.

Libby- a future number three
Mcg- a future number three
Pallante- a future number five
Leahy- a starter???
O’Brien- works in the pen
Donovan- my second baseman
Winn- win win
JJ - goes to third. Think George Brett
Herrera- left field.
Church- CF
Burleson- to first. Lacks that position power.
Willy- will see his brothers success and want some- he waives NTC.
Nolan. Waives NTC.

That’s it.

I’m trading bundles to solve three positions-2 x TOR studs. One power hitter preferred right field. This all will not happen this off season. the rebuild is a three year process.

This makes me a .500 or better team in year two of the reset.

They will have to keep any of the viable pitching options for the MLB level.

After that there is a team full of redundant players.
Difficult for one to be a lot more of a keeper than the other.

I'd like to keep BD but only If he is a starter in the infield. JJ will be kept. That's it really.

Agreed on keeping Donovan at second- JJ to third. That could be a future AS infield. And even if not, good enough for a contending ML baseball team.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Since Aug 15 ish, we are 13-19. We started that stretch 1-5. And we currently are on a stretch of 1-6. That’s 2-11, making us 11-8 in the games in the middle section. games against mostly contenders.

At least we show up.

[zoiks]

Good morning.

Can we say we have now had our first assessment year in the reset. Remember- cut contracts first- Goldy. Wanted to cut Arenado, didn’t happen: yet. Then play a season to see who sticks.

Libby- a future number three
Mcg- a future number three
Pallante- a future number five
Leahy- a starter???
O’Brien- works in the pen
Donovan- my second baseman
Winn- win win
JJ - goes to third. Think George Brett
Herrera- left field.
Church- CF
Burleson- to first. Lacks that position power.
Willy- will see his brothers success and want some- he waives NTC.
Nolan. Waives NTC.

That’s it.

I’m trading bundles to solve three positions-2 x TOR studs. One power hitter preferred right field. This all will not happen this off season. the rebuild is a three year process.

This makes me a .500 or better team in year two of the reset.

This way too optimistic for player development at the MLB level. This is the reality for your list.

Libby- may not be able to handle starting pitcher innings and ends up in the bullpen
Mcg- lack of a strikeout pitch means he’s a #5
Pallante- bullpen before being DFA’d when he starts to be paid too much
Leahy- bullpen only, too many walks, failed as a SP in the minors)
O’Brien- bullpen
Donovan- traded to make room for Wetherholt since Donovan will be a free agent before the team contends
Winn- SS
JJ - 2B
Herrera- mostly DH, platooning in LF with Burleson
Church- 5th OF
Burleson- LF, platooning with Herrera
Willy- 1B
Nolan- 3B - Dewitt would have to pay 80% of his remaining salary to move him. That won’t happen.

[renostl]

Good morning.

Can we say we have now had our first assessment year in the reset. Remember- cut contracts first- Goldy. Wanted to cut Arenado, didn’t happen: yet. Then play a season to see who sticks.

Libby- a future number three
Mcg- a future number three
Pallante- a future number five
Leahy- a starter???
O’Brien- works in the pen
Donovan- my second baseman
Winn- win win
JJ - goes to third. Think George Brett
Herrera- left field.
Church- CF
Burleson- to first. Lacks that position power.
Willy- will see his brothers success and want some- he waives NTC.
Nolan. Waives NTC.

That’s it.

I’m trading bundles to solve three positions-2 x TOR studs. One power hitter preferred right field. This all will not happen this off season. the rebuild is a three year process.

This makes me a .500 or better team in year two of the reset.

This way too optimistic for player development at the MLB level. This is the reality for your list.

Libby- may not be able to handle starting pitcher innings and ends up in the bullpen
Mcg- lack of a strikeout pitch means he’s a #5
Pallante- bullpen before being DFA’d when he starts to be paid too much
Leahy- bullpen only, too many walks, failed as a SP in the minors)
O’Brien- bullpen
Donovan- traded to make room for Wetherholt since Donovan will be a free agent before the team contends
Winn- SS
JJ - 2B
Herrera- mostly DH, platooning in LF with Burleson
Church- 5th OF
Burleson- LF, platooning with Herrera
Willy- 1B
Nolan- 3B - Dewitt would have to pay 80% of his remaining salary to move him. That won’t happen.

I prefer the optimism.

Beside predicting failure in baseball is too simple.
Players fail the majority of the time just getting to MLB.
It can be done on every roster.

[zoiks]

I prefer the optimism.

Beside predicting failure in baseball is too simple.
Players fail the majority of the time just getting to MLB.
It can be done on every roster.

I prefer reality.