Not any more. Blake screwed him up. If he is ever to be good again he'll probably have to do it somewhere else.Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 10:35 amSo you think he is actually good?BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 09:32 amThat's a bit too broad. He was having a very effective 2024. About mid-season, the announceers mentioned how Blake was working with him to change his approach and delivery. His performance began to noticably degrade after that. That tells me the pitching coach was screwing around with what was working, to the detriment of the pitcher. I don't think luck had anything to do with it.Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 20:53 pmBrummer,BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 18:58 pmWhen a guy pitches well he's lucky, then Blake got hold of him to bring out his true suckiness. Got it.Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:35 pmBrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:23 pmI don't agree with that at all. He had a pretty normal rise through the minor leagues, pitched well enough at Memphis to earn promotion, then pitched well for the Cardinals. Again, until Blake started screwing around with what had gotten him to the major leagues.Wattage wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 11:57 amFernandez was a muddling 24 year old mediocre A and AA pitcher who his previous team thought so little of they exposed him to the rule 5 draft. Last year was the exception to his minor league career. Not the norm.BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 11:08 amFernandez was a good, reliable reliever until Dusty Blake started screwing with his delivery. The only way Fernandez can remain a major league player is to be traded to another team or for the Cardinals to bring in a competent pitching coach (which will probably only happen under a competent manager).
He had issues well before blake.
Fernandez was brought directly to STL when we claimed him from Boston. No Memphis involved. He didn't earn his shot. We kept him up because we had to (which he did pretty well). He had a lucky, decent season last year and this year has regressed back to what he was - a rule 5 guy.
I think your facts are betraying you. 2024 - Fermandez brought straight to STL to pitch. Pitching Coach was Blake. Had a decent season. (Yes, I think it was a fluke.). 2025 - Has sucked bad all year! Again, Blake was his Pitching Coach.
Not really arguing anything with you, just saying he had one decent year in STL as a rule 5 pick up in 2024. I think we got a lucky season out of him. Pens are fickle like that sometimes.
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If you haven't learned by your mid twenties, "if it's not broken don't fix it," you're future holds a lot of turmoil.BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 11:24 amNot any more. Blake screwed him up. If he is ever to be good again he'll probably have to do it somewhere else.Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 10:35 amSo you think he is actually good?BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 09:32 amThat's a bit too broad. He was having a very effective 2024. About mid-season, the announceers mentioned how Blake was working with him to change his approach and delivery. His performance began to noticably degrade after that. That tells me the pitching coach was screwing around with what was working, to the detriment of the pitcher. I don't think luck had anything to do with it.Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 20:53 pmBrummer,BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 18:58 pmWhen a guy pitches well he's lucky, then Blake got hold of him to bring out his true suckiness. Got it.Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:35 pmBrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:23 pmI don't agree with that at all. He had a pretty normal rise through the minor leagues, pitched well enough at Memphis to earn promotion, then pitched well for the Cardinals. Again, until Blake started screwing around with what had gotten him to the major leagues.Wattage wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 11:57 amFernandez was a muddling 24 year old mediocre A and AA pitcher who his previous team thought so little of they exposed him to the rule 5 draft. Last year was the exception to his minor league career. Not the norm.BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 11:08 amFernandez was a good, reliable reliever until Dusty Blake started screwing with his delivery. The only way Fernandez can remain a major league player is to be traded to another team or for the Cardinals to bring in a competent pitching coach (which will probably only happen under a competent manager).
He had issues well before blake.
Fernandez was brought directly to STL when we claimed him from Boston. No Memphis involved. He didn't earn his shot. We kept him up because we had to (which he did pretty well). He had a lucky, decent season last year and this year has regressed back to what he was - a rule 5 guy.
I think your facts are betraying you. 2024 - Fermandez brought straight to STL to pitch. Pitching Coach was Blake. Had a decent season. (Yes, I think it was a fluke.). 2025 - Has sucked bad all year! Again, Blake was his Pitching Coach.
Not really arguing anything with you, just saying he had one decent year in STL as a rule 5 pick up in 2024. I think we got a lucky season out of him. Pens are fickle like that sometimes.
Same could possibly be said of Walker. I honestly don't remember if he was prone to whiffing on outside breaking pitches during his stellar rookie campaign in 23 but it may have been better to just let his natural progression come through while he was succeeding. Of course now he can't hit a fastball to save his life so who knows...
But to the original topic, it's baffling that Fernandez is still on the 26-man with how awful he's been this season. Another textbook Mozeliak product.
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Walker needs to go, too.blackinkbiz wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 13:00 pmIf you haven't learned by your mid twenties, "if it's not broken don't fix it," you're future holds a lot of turmoil.BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 11:24 amNot any more. Blake screwed him up. If he is ever to be good again he'll probably have to do it somewhere else.Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 10:35 amSo you think he is actually good?BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 09:32 amThat's a bit too broad. He was having a very effective 2024. About mid-season, the announceers mentioned how Blake was working with him to change his approach and delivery. His performance began to noticably degrade after that. That tells me the pitching coach was screwing around with what was working, to the detriment of the pitcher. I don't think luck had anything to do with it.Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 20:53 pmBrummer,BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 18:58 pmWhen a guy pitches well he's lucky, then Blake got hold of him to bring out his true suckiness. Got it.Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:35 pmBrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:23 pmI don't agree with that at all. He had a pretty normal rise through the minor leagues, pitched well enough at Memphis to earn promotion, then pitched well for the Cardinals. Again, until Blake started screwing around with what had gotten him to the major leagues.Wattage wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 11:57 amFernandez was a muddling 24 year old mediocre A and AA pitcher who his previous team thought so little of they exposed him to the rule 5 draft. Last year was the exception to his minor league career. Not the norm.BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 11:08 amFernandez was a good, reliable reliever until Dusty Blake started screwing with his delivery. The only way Fernandez can remain a major league player is to be traded to another team or for the Cardinals to bring in a competent pitching coach (which will probably only happen under a competent manager).
He had issues well before blake.
Fernandez was brought directly to STL when we claimed him from Boston. No Memphis involved. He didn't earn his shot. We kept him up because we had to (which he did pretty well). He had a lucky, decent season last year and this year has regressed back to what he was - a rule 5 guy.
I think your facts are betraying you. 2024 - Fermandez brought straight to STL to pitch. Pitching Coach was Blake. Had a decent season. (Yes, I think it was a fluke.). 2025 - Has sucked bad all year! Again, Blake was his Pitching Coach.
Not really arguing anything with you, just saying he had one decent year in STL as a rule 5 pick up in 2024. I think we got a lucky season out of him. Pens are fickle like that sometimes.
Same could possibly be said of Walker. I honestly don't remember if he was prone to whiffing on outside breaking pitches during his stellar rookie campaign in 23 but it may have been better to just let his natural progression come through while he was succeeding. Of course now he can't hit a fastball to save his life so who knows...
But to the original topic, it's baffling that Fernandez is still on the 26-man with how awful he's been this season. Another textbook Mozeliak product.