What's the purpose of Nootbaar and Arenado going into next season?

[Shady]

Bloom really needs to move them for pitching help. Obviously, Donovan would return more. But Nootbaar is the one to move.

[NYCardsFan]

Oh, look, another Shady "trade Arenado" /"trade Nootbaar" thread. How original and novel.

No pretextual SI/RedbirdRants/Fansided clickbait cr@p available today to help meet your daily thread quota?

[Charles King]

Who goes down
Fermin and who

[CorneliusWolfe]

Bloom really needs to move them for pitching help. Obviously, Donovan would return more. But Nootbaar is the one to move.

So you want to trade the less valuable guy for a less valuable pitcher? How many low level pitchers does this team meed? If you want to trade [shirt] for [shirt] trade Burleson.

And for the millionth f’ing time, NA has a NO trade clause. Not a trade clause, a NO trade clause. Doesn’t matter what you want Bloom to do or what he wants to do. Say it with me….NO…TRADE…CLAUSE.

[AtillaTheBlue1]

Bloom really needs to move them for pitching help. Obviously, Donovan would return more. But Nootbaar is the one to move.

if he wont accept a trade, release him

he serves no purpose here, but to block others who could be getting looks. He's a pay check player who gives no cares about winning. He could find a whole new team to find golfing buddies.

[Jatalk]

Bloom really needs to move them for pitching help. Obviously, Donovan would return more. But Nootbaar is the one to move.

I have doubts Arenado is traded. He has a NTC; not sure Cardinals won’t to pay to get rid of him, not sure who wants him. The big decision is how to use him on the roster. I would not put him in everyday line up. It is counterproductive to the organizational goal.

Noot is just one of many that can be included in a trade package.

[11WSChamps]

Simple.

Trade Nootbar for a AA pitching prospect and tell Arenado you might as take a trade because you’re not going to play here.

Eat whatever salary you have to and move on.

That is if you’re serious about improving the team.

[HorseTrader]

They are not going to eat $37 mill. Is he great - no but he is playable. So we are stuck with him, I'd use him more as a bench/utility guy. He said he'd be willing to play 1b, so move him around PH, DH, 3rd, and 1st. After next season he will be owed $15 mill, that you can eat.

[sikeston bulldog2]

It’s like having Scott and n Center. Great defense from both, he and arenado. And they hit alike. Light. That is an issue. Two power spots with bird like hitters. Then add power spot three, first base, and the hole gets deeper, then right field……..

[CorneliusWolfe]

They are not going to eat $37 mill. Is he great - no but he is playable. So we are stuck with him, I'd use him more as a bench/utility guy. He said he'd be willing to play 1b, so move him around PH, DH, 3rd, and 1st. After next season he will be owed $15 mill, that you can eat.

They don’t get it. The pointless discussion will continue until the contract is up unless NA or one of the teams he identified changes their minds. It’s not up to Bloom, but that won’t stop them from saying Bloom HAS to trade him or MUST trade him! As if it will happen because they demand it, with caps lock on.

There’s really only one talking point on the NA conundrum. Would the Cardinals relegate him to a bench role?

Maybe, but that sounds close to eating $$ which BDW doesn’t do. Also could be a deterrent to other free agents, especially those over thirty. Which we probably shouldn’t be signing anyway.

[PadsFS07]

Bloom really needs to move them for pitching help. Obviously, Donovan would return more. But Nootbaar is the one to move.

So you want to trade the less valuable guy for a less valuable pitcher? How many low level pitchers does this team meed? If you want to trade [shirt] for [shirt] trade Burleson.

And for the millionth f’ing time, NA has a NO trade clause. Not a trade clause, a NO trade clause. Doesn’t matter what you want Bloom to do or what he wants to do. Say it with me….NO…TRADE…CLAUSE.

Baseball Trade Values has Donovan worth $23.4M and Nootbaar at $20.2M. They are about equal. One of them does need to be traded. They both have 2 years left in arbitration.

With Wetherholt coming on soon and Gorman/Arenado still around, I think I would trade Donovan actually. He has more value as a middle infielder, but the Cardinals seem to be destined to shift him to OF.

I would look to move one of Herrera or Burleson as well. They are rather redundant.

[PadsFS07]

They are not going to eat $37 mill. Is he great - no but he is playable. So we are stuck with him, I'd use him more as a bench/utility guy. He said he'd be willing to play 1b, so move him around PH, DH, 3rd, and 1st. After next season he will be owed $15 mill, that you can eat.

Exactly. Arenado doesn't hurt the team really. But having him, Scott, Winn, and Pages all in the starting lineup does bring us down. We went through this same discussion in Holliday's final two seasons. Holliday himself was fine, but you can have Holliday, Molina, Jay, Moss, Wong, and Piscotty all in the lineup together.

It would be different if Wetherholt was a sure-fire 3Bman...or if Gorman was OPSing .800+....or if they were going to re-invest the savings from trading Arenado in the FA market.

[Wattage]

Bloom really needs to move them for pitching help. Obviously, Donovan would return more. But Nootbaar is the one to move.

Nootbaar wont get anything significant. His valuenis lower than last season.

Arenado isnt bringing anything at all.

Even if we pay his contract now he wont bring anything back in return. Hes toast. Just cuz his name is nolan arenado doesnt mean other teams and gm cant see what he is now. Wed probably have to pay at least half his contract for another team to take them and them not even send anything back to us.

[11WSChamps]

They are not going to eat $37 mill. Is he great - no but he is playable. So we are stuck with him, I'd use him more as a bench/utility guy. He said he'd be willing to play 1b, so move him around PH, DH, 3rd, and 1st. After next season he will be owed $15 mill, that you can eat.

They don’t get it. The pointless discussion will continue until the contract is up unless NA or one of the teams he identified changes their minds. It’s not up to Bloom, but that won’t stop them from saying Bloom HAS to trade him or MUST trade him! As if it will happen because they demand it, with caps lock on.

There’s really only one talking point on the NA conundrum. Would the Cardinals relegate him to a bench role?

Maybe, but that sounds close to eating $$ which BDW doesn’t do. Also could be a deterrent to other free agents, especially those over thirty. Which we probably shouldn’t be signing anyway.

No you don't get it.

You geniuses really believe he's going to be relegated to a bench role?

His replacement is basically Wetherholt regardless what position he plays making league minimum.

The money is already lost.

I'm telling what they should do if they're really interested in improving the team as I said in my above post if anyone bothered to read it.

Blocking a potential future piece from developing doesn't do that.

It's not nearly as impossible as you might think to move him and not foot the whole bill if he knows the alternatve.

[russellhammond]

They are not going to eat $37 mill. Is he great - no but he is playable. So we are stuck with him, I'd use him more as a bench/utility guy. He said he'd be willing to play 1b, so move him around PH, DH, 3rd, and 1st. After next season he will be owed $15 mill, that you can eat.

They don’t get it. The pointless discussion will continue until the contract is up unless NA or one of the teams he identified changes their minds. It’s not up to Bloom, but that won’t stop them from saying Bloom HAS to trade him or MUST trade him! As if it will happen because they demand it, with caps lock on.

There’s really only one talking point on the NA conundrum. Would the Cardinals relegate him to a bench role?

Maybe, but that sounds close to eating $$ which BDW doesn’t do. Also could be a deterrent to other free agents, especially those over thirty. Which we probably shouldn’t be signing anyway.

No you don't get it.

You geniuses really believe he's going to be relegated to a bench role?

His replacement is basically Wetherholt regardless what position he plays making league minimum.

The money is already lost.

I'm telling what they should do if they're really interested in improving the team as I said in my above post if anyone bothered to read it.

Blocking a potential future piece from developing doesn't do that.

It's not nearly as impossible as you might think to move him and not foot the whole bill if he knows the alternatve.

Wetherholt is not going to be "blocked".....certainly not by Arenado.

[11WSChamps]

They are not going to eat $37 mill. Is he great - no but he is playable. So we are stuck with him, I'd use him more as a bench/utility guy. He said he'd be willing to play 1b, so move him around PH, DH, 3rd, and 1st. After next season he will be owed $15 mill, that you can eat.

They don’t get it. The pointless discussion will continue until the contract is up unless NA or one of the teams he identified changes their minds. It’s not up to Bloom, but that won’t stop them from saying Bloom HAS to trade him or MUST trade him! As if it will happen because they demand it, with caps lock on.

There’s really only one talking point on the NA conundrum. Would the Cardinals relegate him to a bench role?

Maybe, but that sounds close to eating $$ which BDW doesn’t do. Also could be a deterrent to other free agents, especially those over thirty. Which we probably shouldn’t be signing anyway.

No you don't get it.

You geniuses really believe he's going to be relegated to a bench role?

His replacement is basically Wetherholt regardless what position he plays making league minimum.

The money is already lost.

I'm telling what they should do if they're really interested in improving the team as I said in my above post if anyone bothered to read it.

Blocking a potential future piece from developing doesn't do that.

It's not nearly as impossible as you might think to move him and not foot the whole bill if he knows the alternatve.

Wetherholt is not going to be "blocked".....certainly not by Arenado.

I said a potential future piece.

It doesn't have to be Wetherholt.