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Re: Offense good despite oline

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winonsports wrote: 08 Sep 2025 11:40 am
We left points on the field for sure.
Where? Mizzou punted only twice and fumbled, all in our own territory.

Another drive ended in four-down territory at the ku 35.

Otherwise, Mizzou scored on its other SEVEN possessions, including the short FG to tie the game at the half. (Absolutely the right decision)
The 1st field goal we had 1st and goal from the 7 and settled for a FG. That’s 4 points.

Turnover on downs at the KU 35, that was a misfire. Should have come away with points that drive. That’s another 3 to 7 points. We had an extra point blocked on the 1st TD.

So yeah, there was another 8-12 points the offense left out there. Plus you’d think as dominant as our D was, we’d have scored a defensive TD or 2 in a game like that, where kind of all over them.

It was odd that we were THAT dominant and only won by 11. A win is a win and we showed how good we can be.
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Okay, I have to agree that the offensive line needs more work than I thought, especially on runs. Here are the KU game PFF grades for the line.

Green LT 71.9
Giudice LG 66.6
Tollison C 58.5
Peagler RG 50.1
Trost RT 65.3

The score for Tollison is especially disappointing. Maybe he's not fully recovered from that knee injury. He allowed 3 QB pressures.

Work to do. And maybe Peagler is not going to cut it? Wilson got some snaps at RG. The other 4 took all the snaps.
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icon wrote: 09 Sep 2025 09:39 am Okay, I have to agree that the offensive line needs more work than I thought, especially on runs. Here are the KU game PFF grades for the line.

Green LT 71.9
Giudice LG 66.6
Tollison C 58.5
Peagler RG 50.1
Trost RT 65.3

The score for Tollison is especially disappointing. Maybe he's not fully recovered from that knee injury. He allowed 3 QB pressures.

Work to do. And maybe Peagler is not going to cut it? Wilson got some snaps at RG. The other 4 took all the snaps.
Interesting grade for Giudice, considering he was selected as the SEC Co-Lineman of the week. Or does the SEC not have any good lineman?

https://www.secsports.com/news/2025/09/ ... eek-sept-8
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SRV1990 wrote: 09 Sep 2025 10:14 am
icon wrote: 09 Sep 2025 09:39 am Okay, I have to agree that the offensive line needs more work than I thought, especially on runs. Here are the KU game PFF grades for the line.

Green LT 71.9
Giudice LG 66.6
Tollison C 58.5
Peagler RG 50.1
Trost RT 65.3

The score for Tollison is especially disappointing. Maybe he's not fully recovered from that knee injury. He allowed 3 QB pressures.

Work to do. And maybe Peagler is not going to cut it? Wilson got some snaps at RG. The other 4 took all the snaps.
Interesting grade for Giudice, considering he was selected as the SEC Co-Lineman of the week. Or does the SEC not have any good lineman?

https://www.secsports.com/news/2025/09/ ... eek-sept-8
Or maybe PFF is really a tough grader.
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Re: Offense good despite oline

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Armchair QB wrote: 08 Sep 2025 21:52 pm
winonsports wrote: 08 Sep 2025 11:40 am
We left points on the field for sure.
Where? Mizzou punted only twice and fumbled, all in our own territory.

Another drive ended in four-down territory at the ku 35.

Otherwise, Mizzou scored on its other SEVEN possessions, including the short FG to tie the game at the half. (Absolutely the right decision)
The 1st field goal we had 1st and goal from the 7 and settled for a FG. That’s 4 points.

Turnover on downs at the KU 35, that was a misfire. Should have come away with points that drive. That’s another 3 to 7 points. We had an extra point blocked on the 1st TD.

So yeah, there was another 8-12 points the offense left out there. Plus you’d think as dominant as our D was, we’d have scored a defensive TD or 2 in a game like that, where kind of all over them.

It was odd that we were THAT dominant and only won by 11. A win is a win and we showed how good we can be.
I see what you're saying. Mizzou did what every other team not named Oregon did, but a little bit better.

Mizzou has six RZ TD this year, but you want to complain about one of the two FG.after a 17 play drive.

Mizzou had 4 fourth-down conversions which helped produce 20 points, and your focus is on the one we didn't convert.

Meanwhile, Mizzou is 5th in total offense nationally, 11th in scoring, 13th in 3rd down conversions, 19th in total first downs and 7th in TOP
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Re: Offense good despite oline

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icon wrote: 09 Sep 2025 10:27 am
SRV1990 wrote: 09 Sep 2025 10:14 am
icon wrote: 09 Sep 2025 09:39 am Okay, I have to agree that the offensive line needs more work than I thought, especially on runs. Here are the KU game PFF grades for the line.

Green LT 71.9
Giudice LG 66.6
Tollison C 58.5
Peagler RG 50.1
Trost RT 65.3

The score for Tollison is especially disappointing. Maybe he's not fully recovered from that knee injury. He allowed 3 QB pressures.

Work to do. And maybe Peagler is not going to cut it? Wilson got some snaps at RG. The other 4 took all the snaps.
Interesting grade for Giudice, considering he was selected as the SEC Co-Lineman of the week. Or does the SEC not have any good lineman?

https://www.secsports.com/news/2025/09/ ... eek-sept-8
Or maybe PFF is really a tough grader.
Or maybe the O-line is better than some want to give them credit for. Either way, 261 yards rushing and 595 yards total offense seems to be a pretty solid game for the O-line.
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Gosh, I'm reluctant to say anything positive for fear of being called a Sunshine Pumper again.

I guess I'll keep quiet until we score td's on every possession, don't give up a point and maybe don't even let the other team have the ball at all.
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hangman wrote: 09 Sep 2025 14:33 pm Gosh, I'm reluctant to say anything positive for fear of being called a Sunshine Pumper again.

I guess I'll keep quiet until we score td's on every possession, don't give up a point and maybe don't even let the other team have the ball at all.
Yeah, some people just love to be negative, but to be fair, Drink in his press conference today, called out some things that he didn't like:

Blocking on short yardage runs.
Breakdowns in the secondary, mainly in zone coverage.
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We're never going to be perfect and I want the coaches to push these guys to try to have zero mistakes.
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hangman wrote: 09 Sep 2025 18:10 pm We're never going to be perfect and I want the coaches to push these guys to try to have zero mistakes.
Absolutely! That's what their job is. That was always Saban's mentality. Whenever he was interviewed after a big win during the season, he never smiled much, and he'd talk about improvements he wanted to see. You'd swear by Drink's press conference today that his team lost Saturday. He seems laser focused on the next opponent, no matter who it is. Yeah, it's coach speak, but it's coach speak for a reason. Complacency is as big of an enemy as your next opponent.

And I don't see Drink jumping up and down anymore on the sideline. Or yelling "Light the dome!" after a win. He is growing into this job and raising expectations as he goes.
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SRV1990 wrote: 09 Sep 2025 12:36 pm
icon wrote: 09 Sep 2025 10:27 am
SRV1990 wrote: 09 Sep 2025 10:14 am
icon wrote: 09 Sep 2025 09:39 am Okay, I have to agree that the offensive line needs more work than I thought, especially on runs. Here are the KU game PFF grades for the line.

Green LT 71.9
Giudice LG 66.6
Tollison C 58.5
Peagler RG 50.1
Trost RT 65.3

The score for Tollison is especially disappointing. Maybe he's not fully recovered from that knee injury. He allowed 3 QB pressures.

Work to do. And maybe Peagler is not going to cut it? Wilson got some snaps at RG. The other 4 took all the snaps.
Interesting grade for Giudice, considering he was selected as the SEC Co-Lineman of the week. Or does the SEC not have any good lineman?

https://www.secsports.com/news/2025/09/ ... eek-sept-8
Or maybe PFF is really a tough grader.
Or maybe the O-line is better than some want to give them credit for. Either way, 261 yards rushing and 595 yards total offense seems to be a pretty solid game for the O-line.
That's how I see it.

They IMPROVED over the prior week and that's all you can ask.

The problem last year was that kind of progress eventually stopped. The team fell down, never got a good explanation why, much to all our disappointment.

I like this team better than last year, almost up and down but nonetheless better. I see this opportunity mainly put in Drinks lap and I think he might be ready for it.
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Re: Offense good despite oline

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SRV1990 wrote: 09 Sep 2025 12:36 pm
icon wrote: 09 Sep 2025 10:27 am
SRV1990 wrote: 09 Sep 2025 10:14 am
icon wrote: 09 Sep 2025 09:39 am Okay, I have to agree that the offensive line needs more work than I thought, especially on runs. Here are the KU game PFF grades for the line.

Green LT 71.9
Giudice LG 66.6
Tollison C 58.5
Peagler RG 50.1
Trost RT 65.3

The score for Tollison is especially disappointing. Maybe he's not fully recovered from that knee injury. He allowed 3 QB pressures.

Work to do. And maybe Peagler is not going to cut it? Wilson got some snaps at RG. The other 4 took all the snaps.
Interesting grade for Giudice, considering he was selected as the SEC Co-Lineman of the week. Or does the SEC not have any good lineman?

https://www.secsports.com/news/2025/09/ ... eek-sept-8
Or maybe PFF is really a tough grader.
Or maybe the O-line is better than some want to give them credit for. Either way, 261 yards rushing and 595 yards total offense seems to be a pretty solid game for the O-line.
WRs did some great downfield blocking to spring those long runs. There were many runs of 1 yards or less. Kind of feast or famine.
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Re: Offense good despite oline

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onemizzou wrote: 09 Sep 2025 21:48 pm
SRV1990 wrote: 09 Sep 2025 12:36 pm
icon wrote: 09 Sep 2025 10:27 am
SRV1990 wrote: 09 Sep 2025 10:14 am
icon wrote: 09 Sep 2025 09:39 am Okay, I have to agree that the offensive line needs more work than I thought, especially on runs. Here are the KU game PFF grades for the line.

Green LT 71.9
Giudice LG 66.6
Tollison C 58.5
Peagler RG 50.1
Trost RT 65.3

The score for Tollison is especially disappointing. Maybe he's not fully recovered from that knee injury. He allowed 3 QB pressures.

Work to do. And maybe Peagler is not going to cut it? Wilson got some snaps at RG. The other 4 took all the snaps.
Interesting grade for Giudice, considering he was selected as the SEC Co-Lineman of the week. Or does the SEC not have any good lineman?

https://www.secsports.com/news/2025/09/ ... eek-sept-8
Or maybe PFF is really a tough grader.
Or maybe the O-line is better than some want to give them credit for. Either way, 261 yards rushing and 595 yards total offense seems to be a pretty solid game for the O-line.
WRs did some great downfield blocking to spring those long runs. There were many runs of 1 yards or less. Kind of feast or famine.
The WRs certainly did stellar work with their downfield blocking. But feast or famine in the running game is how it often goes. If only famine, teams tend to abandon the run. If only feast, teams have little need to throw. The rushing and passing yards point to lots of success, overall, with both.
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Armchair QB wrote: 08 Sep 2025 21:52 pm
winonsports wrote: 08 Sep 2025 11:40 am
We left points on the field for sure.
Where? Mizzou punted only twice and fumbled, all in our own territory.

Another drive ended in four-down territory at the ku 35.

Otherwise, Mizzou scored on its other SEVEN possessions, including the short FG to tie the game at the half. (Absolutely the right decision)
The 1st field goal we had 1st and goal from the 7 and settled for a FG. That’s 4 points.

Turnover on downs at the KU 35, that was a misfire. Should have come away with points that drive. That’s another 3 to 7 points. We had an extra point blocked on the 1st TD.

So yeah, there was another 8-12 points the offense left out there. Plus you’d think as dominant as our D was, we’d have scored a defensive TD or 2 in a game like that, where kind of all over them.

It was odd that we were THAT dominant and only won by 11. A win is a win and we showed how good we can be.
Uh, what you are saying is we left points on the field because we didn’t push it in on every possession, and didn’t achieve a couple of defensive scores, against a pretty good P5 team. You have high standards.
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Re: Offense good despite oline

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Sophrosyne wrote: 12 Sep 2025 17:29 pm
Armchair QB wrote: 08 Sep 2025 21:52 pm
winonsports wrote: 08 Sep 2025 11:40 am
We left points on the field for sure.
Where? Mizzou punted only twice and fumbled, all in our own territory.

Another drive ended in four-down territory at the ku 35.

Otherwise, Mizzou scored on its other SEVEN possessions, including the short FG to tie the game at the half. (Absolutely the right decision)
The 1st field goal we had 1st and goal from the 7 and settled for a FG. That’s 4 points.

Turnover on downs at the KU 35, that was a misfire. Should have come away with points that drive. That’s another 3 to 7 points. We had an extra point blocked on the 1st TD.

So yeah, there was another 8-12 points the offense left out there. Plus you’d think as dominant as our D was, we’d have scored a defensive TD or 2 in a game like that, where kind of all over them.

It was odd that we were THAT dominant and only won by 11. A win is a win and we showed how good we can be.
Uh, what you are saying is we left points on the field because we didn’t push it in on every possession, and didn’t achieve a couple of defensive scores, against a pretty good P5 team. You have high standards.

We outgained them 595 to 254. TOP was 2 to 1. They gained 3 yards on the ground. That is complete and total domination. Yet, we only won by 11. Yes I have high standards when we’re that dominant and only win by 11.
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