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Oli Ball

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OLI BALL FEVER !!!!!!! The nightmare lives on!
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JuanAgosto wrote: 08 Sep 2025 23:17 pm 18839-16828990955627-1920.jpg


OLI BALL FEVER !!!!!!! The nightmare lives on!
What are your specific criticisms besides he takes a bad picture?
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Jatalk wrote: 09 Sep 2025 07:21 am
JuanAgosto wrote: 08 Sep 2025 23:17 pm 18839-16828990955627-1920.jpg


OLI BALL FEVER !!!!!!! The nightmare lives on!
What are your specific criticisms besides he takes a bad picture?
He’s at his worst when it counts and there’s any semblance of pressure. No natural feel for the game and very poor situational awareness. Way too high tolerance for losing, views it as good teaching moments.

Like last night, it felt like the first meaningful game in months and could’ve put us in striking distance of a playoff spot and he pulls MM at 77 pitches when he’s pitching his best game of the year and is currently in a rare groove, and starts making head scratcher moves to blow the game.
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CorneliusWolfe wrote: 09 Sep 2025 08:05 am
Jatalk wrote: 09 Sep 2025 07:21 am
JuanAgosto wrote: 08 Sep 2025 23:17 pm 18839-16828990955627-1920.jpg


OLI BALL FEVER !!!!!!! The nightmare lives on!
What are your specific criticisms besides he takes a bad picture?
He’s at his worst when it counts and there’s any semblance of pressure. No natural feel for the game and very poor situational awareness. Way too high tolerance for losing, views it as good teaching moments.

Like last night, it felt like the first meaningful game in months and could’ve put us in striking distance of a playoff spot and he pulls MM at 77 pitches when he’s pitching his best game of the year and is currently in a rare groove, and starts making head scratcher moves to blow the game.
Good points but frankly I have no problem with pulling MM. that guy couldn’t throw 100 pitches if his life depended on it. Sure there are exceptions when he does well but if I were the manager he would be on a short leash every time he pitched. Now if you want to critique his bullpen selection last night there is an argument he made a mistake.

I’m not an Oli fan. Primarily I don’t like his lack of experience and what looks like a lack of feel for the game. You might say pulling MM shows a lack of feel but again I would have done the same thing.
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Jatalk wrote: 09 Sep 2025 08:37 am
CorneliusWolfe wrote: 09 Sep 2025 08:05 am
Jatalk wrote: 09 Sep 2025 07:21 am
JuanAgosto wrote: 08 Sep 2025 23:17 pm 18839-16828990955627-1920.jpg


OLI BALL FEVER !!!!!!! The nightmare lives on!
What are your specific criticisms besides he takes a bad picture?
He’s at his worst when it counts and there’s any semblance of pressure. No natural feel for the game and very poor situational awareness. Way too high tolerance for losing, views it as good teaching moments.

Like last night, it felt like the first meaningful game in months and could’ve put us in striking distance of a playoff spot and he pulls MM at 77 pitches when he’s pitching his best game of the year and is currently in a rare groove, and starts making head scratcher moves to blow the game.
Good points but frankly I have no problem with pulling MM. that guy couldn’t throw 100 pitches if his life depended on it. Sure there are exceptions when he does well but if I were the manager he would be on a short leash every time he pitched. Now if you want to critique his bullpen selection last night there is an argument he made a mistake.

I’m not an Oli fan. Primarily I don’t like his lack of experience and what looks like a lack of feel for the game. You might say pulling MM shows a lack of feel but again I would have done the same thing.
Ok, I looked at the box score and saw he gave up 2 in the 5th. I must’ve crashed right before the runs because I thought the BP gave up all 4 runs. West coast games are rough on work nights. So I stand corrected on him having his best game, but I stand by my observations as to the question of what specifically makes him a bad manager.
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Jatalk wrote: 09 Sep 2025 07:21 am
JuanAgosto wrote: 08 Sep 2025 23:17 pm 18839-16828990955627-1920.jpg


OLI BALL FEVER !!!!!!! The nightmare lives on!
What are your specific criticisms besides he takes a bad picture?
Hes a pud that isn't qualified to manage a team like the St. Louis Cardinals. A middling .500 manager who needs no pressure to win games should be in another level.
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CorneliusWolfe wrote: 09 Sep 2025 08:05 am
Jatalk wrote: 09 Sep 2025 07:21 am
JuanAgosto wrote: 08 Sep 2025 23:17 pm 18839-16828990955627-1920.jpg


OLI BALL FEVER !!!!!!! The nightmare lives on!
What are your specific criticisms besides he takes a bad picture?
He’s at his worst when it counts and there’s any semblance of pressure. No natural feel for the game and very poor situational awareness. Way too high tolerance for losing, views it as good teaching moments.

Like last night, it felt like the first meaningful game in months and could’ve put us in striking distance of a playoff spot and he pulls MM at 77 pitches when he’s pitching his best game of the year and is currently in a rare groove, and starts making head scratcher moves to blow the game.
Seriously? You think pulling lizard puke who was [defecating] the bed, was a mistake?!! :lol: :lol:

Cards hitters were 0-1 with RISP, and only had 2 LOB.
    Bats nowhere to be found. 3 hits for the game
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    We got both runs on a bomb. 2 other hits. Listen to Scouty.
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    I know the analytics gurus say batting average doesn't matter but the Cardinals lineup last night was this.

    https://www.mlb.com/gameday/cardinals-v ... 21-mlb-1-A

    Nootbar leading off .241 - leadoff hitter???
    Herrera .283
    Burleson .286
    Gorman .219 Really? Cleanup hitter is hitting .219?
    Winn .253
    Crooks .119
    Saggesse .242
    Walker .215
    Scott .224

    3 hits. 1 walk. 14 strikeouts.

    Gorman has been on the team for all 4 seasons Marmol has been manager. Marmol thinks Gorman is a cleanup hitter. Or perhaps in the bizarre world of analytics a computer thinks Gorman is a cleanup hitter. Bloom needs to call in a cleaning crew. Set up a dumpster outside of the office and get rid of everything his predecessors were relying.
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    JuanAgosto wrote: 09 Sep 2025 11:36 am
    Jatalk wrote: 09 Sep 2025 07:21 am
    JuanAgosto wrote: 08 Sep 2025 23:17 pm 18839-16828990955627-1920.jpg


    OLI BALL FEVER !!!!!!! The nightmare lives on!
    What are your specific criticisms besides he takes a bad picture?
    Hes a pud that isn't qualified to manage a team like the St. Louis Cardinals. A middling .500 manager who needs no pressure to win games should be in another level.
    Please no more specifics. I’m on specific overload.
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    JuanAgosto wrote: 09 Sep 2025 11:36 am
    Jatalk wrote: 09 Sep 2025 07:21 am
    JuanAgosto wrote: 08 Sep 2025 23:17 pm 18839-16828990955627-1920.jpg


    OLI BALL FEVER !!!!!!! The nightmare lives on!
    What are your specific criticisms besides he takes a bad picture?
    Hes a pud that isn't qualified to manage a team like the St. Louis Cardinals. A middling .500 manager who needs no pressure to win games should be in another level.
    you don't think he is even qualified to manage a bad team??
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    45s wrote: 09 Sep 2025 13:18 pm
    JuanAgosto wrote: 09 Sep 2025 11:36 am
    Jatalk wrote: 09 Sep 2025 07:21 am
    JuanAgosto wrote: 08 Sep 2025 23:17 pm 18839-16828990955627-1920.jpg


    OLI BALL FEVER !!!!!!! The nightmare lives on!
    What are your specific criticisms besides he takes a bad picture?
    Hes a pud that isn't qualified to manage a team like the St. Louis Cardinals. A middling .500 manager who needs no pressure to win games should be in another level.
    you don't think he is even qualified to manage a bad team??
    Juan has issues
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    I have never really liked or disliked Oli, or any manager for that matter. I have always felt the players deserve the majority of the blame/credit because they are the ones throwing the pitches and taking the at bats. Sure, managers do make bonehead moves.

    I remember years ago people talked about the Expected Win/Loss record being the reflection of a manager. Meaning, if your Actual record was better than the expected Win/Loss, they credited that to good managing. The Cardinals expected win/loss is 68-77, but their actual record is several games better at 72-73. Is that credit to Oli, or is it all a bunch of [nonsense]?
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    45s wrote: 09 Sep 2025 13:18 pm
    JuanAgosto wrote: 09 Sep 2025 11:36 am
    Jatalk wrote: 09 Sep 2025 07:21 am
    JuanAgosto wrote: 08 Sep 2025 23:17 pm 18839-16828990955627-1920.jpg


    OLI BALL FEVER !!!!!!! The nightmare lives on!
    What are your specific criticisms besides he takes a bad picture?
    Hes a pud that isn't qualified to manage a team like the St. Louis Cardinals. A middling .500 manager who needs no pressure to win games should be in another level.
    you don't think he is even qualified to manage a bad team??
    Under a competent front office, the Cardinals should never have a bad team. This is Mozeliak's failure. A better front office acquires a better roster. And hires a more capable manager.
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    Jatalk wrote: 09 Sep 2025 12:58 pm
    JuanAgosto wrote: 09 Sep 2025 11:36 am
    Jatalk wrote: 09 Sep 2025 07:21 am
    JuanAgosto wrote: 08 Sep 2025 23:17 pm 18839-16828990955627-1920.jpg


    OLI BALL FEVER !!!!!!! The nightmare lives on!
    What are your specific criticisms besides he takes a bad picture?
    Hes a pud that isn't qualified to manage a team like the St. Louis Cardinals. A middling .500 manager who needs no pressure to win games should be in another level.
    Please no more specifics. I’m on specific overload.
    How much more do you need? Needing a pressure-free situation screams not qualified.
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