What does Snuggerud playing in playoffs tell us?

[netboy65]

ASSOGG, the NHL has 32 teams, the Blues will not be overdue for a Cup until 2052. In the spirit of "education won" there's your lesson for today.

Give this man a Gold Star. He has finally stumbled upon great meaning, but we won't focus on how he got there.

Given this fact about the CUP and 2052...
1) Do you want your team to stumble into the playoffs each year for the "CHANCE TO WIN THE CUP"?, or
2) Do you want to watch the word's best hockey players every day ON YOUR TEAM, wearing a Blues Jersey with a name on the back that doesn't expire in a year?

Army wants you to chase the CUP--because the cash registers ring better for the Owner when you do.

Most folks do want number 1. Just watching star players with no shot at a Cup is self-defeating at best.

You also accidentally stumbled onto the truth. You act like Army makes these decisions unilaterally. He doesn’t. He was given a direction to follow by the owners and he does a pretty good job within those parameters. St Louis is not NY, Chicago or any other big market, we don’t have the means to tank as you suggest.
Which suits most of us around here just fine thank you very much.

So the Stan Musials and the Wayne Gretzky's and the Tom Brady's will play elsewhere, while we get the no-name playoff-disappearing-act? I see.

Sorry, Man. That doesn't work for me. Buckle up, Man. I'm not sucking on the hind one for the rest of my life.

Tom Brady was a 6th round draft pick. He doesn’t fit your narrative at all.
Stan Musial DID play here
Sorry Man

[callitwhatyouwant]

Also gotta put a shout out to Adrianna‘s on the hill. Another very top-notch sandwich.

They run a special every now and then - meatballs in marsala sauce on garlic bread.

Is there a place that does a good chicken parm sandwich? Psghettis to whoever posted that is a solid choice. I don't think it's in top 5, maybe 5th because the total sandwich is just whatever. But that bread is legit addicting. Must be a ton of sugar in that bake.

[BalotelliMassive]

Also gotta put a shout out to Adrianna‘s on the hill. Another very top-notch sandwich.

They run a special every now and then - meatballs in marsala sauce on garlic bread.

Is there a place that does a good chicken parm sandwich? Psghettis to whoever posted that is a solid choice. I don't think it's in top 5, maybe 5th because the total sandwich is just whatever. But that bread is legit addicting. Must be a ton of sugar in that bake.

Anthonino's on the hill has a fantastic chicken parmesan sandwich.

[DawgDad]

Speaking of Musial, there's a lesson to be learned here.

After the Cardinals won the World Series in 1946 with Musial leading the way their window slowly closed over the late 1940's. (they almost won a pennant in 1949) due primarily to ownership financial issues and transitions and a withering of their vast talent pipeline. They were mediocre throughout the 1950's while stars like Musial, Schoendienst, and later Boyer put up some splendid seasons. Musial wasn't enough to keep the team in the hunt for more pennants.

I saw Musial play in his last season, 1963. I will never forget that, my Dad made sure I saw him play. The Cardinals were finally a very good team but fell short of the Koufax-Drysdale Dodgers. Musial retired, the team did some retooling on the fly after a very disappointing start in 1964 (sound familiar?) and ultimately fought back to win the pennant and World Series. No Musial, and to boot, the Cardinals nailed the coffin shut on the Great Yankee Dynasty besting great stars like Mickey Mantle, Roger Maris, Elston Howard, Whitey Ford. Leading the way for the Cardinals were two young players, one on the brink of his peak, one just emerging as an everyday player and star as the season progressed: Bob Gibson and Lou Brock.

Teams win or lose, stars come and go. Some great stars never win titles (Ernie Banks), some teams win without established superstars. Stars of the past crossed paths with second tier and emerging stars in 1963-64. Soon, young white boys in the suburbs had Bob Gibson and Lou Brock posters on their walls, vied to wear 45 or 20 on their jerseys. Those players eventually gave way to new team leaders, players named Keith Hernandez, Ozzie Smith, Bruce Sutter. Those guys were great players but they never were not the top stars in the NL, they weren't making anyone forget the Big Red Machine or the Smith-Cey-Garvey Dodgers. The big slugging stars played for the teams the Cardinals beat in 1982: Murphy, Horner, Yount, Cooper, Simmons, Thomas. The Cardinals had the better TEAM.

[seattleblue]

Speaking of Musial, there's a lesson to be learned here.

After the Cardinals won the World Series in 1946 with Musial leading the way their window slowly closed over the late 1940's. (they almost won a pennant in 1949) due primarily to ownership financial issues and transitions and a withering of their vast talent pipeline. They were mediocre throughout the 1950's while stars like Musial, Schoendienst, and later Boyer put up some splendid seasons. Musial wasn't enough to keep the team in the hunt for more pennants.

I saw Musial play in his last season, 1963. I will never forget that, my Dad made sure I saw him play. The Cardinals were finally a very good team but fell short of the Koufax-Drysdale Dodgers. Musial retired, the team did some retooling on the fly after a very disappointing start in 1964 (sound familiar?) and ultimately fought back to win the pennant and World Series. No Musial, and to boot, the Cardinals nailed the coffin shut on the Great Yankee Dynasty besting great stars like Mickey Mantle, Roger Maris, Elston Howard, Whitey Ford. Leading the way for the Cardinals were two young players, one on the brink of his peak, one just emerging as an everyday player and star as the season progressed: Bob Gibson and Lou Brock.

Teams win or lose, stars come and go. Some great stars never win titles (Ernie Banks), some teams win without established superstars. Stars of the past crossed paths with second tier and emerging stars in 1963-64. Soon, young white boys in the suburbs had Bob Gibson and Lou Brock posters on their walls, vied to wear 45 or 20 on their jerseys. Those players eventually gave way to new team leaders, players named Keith Hernandez, Ozzie Smith, Bruce Sutter. Those guys were great players but they never were not the top stars in the NL, they weren't making anyone forget the Big Red Machine or the Smith-Cey-Garvey Dodgers. The big slugging stars played for the teams the Cardinals beat in 1982: Murphy, Horner, Yount, Cooper, Simmons, Thomas. The Cardinals had the better TEAM.

The legendary journalist and sportswriter David Halberstam's 1964 is an awesome read.

Seems like the farm system Rickey pioneered was not getting the same attention once he was with the Dodgers?

[DawgDad]

Speaking of Musial, there's a lesson to be learned here.

After the Cardinals won the World Series in 1946 with Musial leading the way their window slowly closed over the late 1940's. (they almost won a pennant in 1949) due primarily to ownership financial issues and transitions and a withering of their vast talent pipeline. They were mediocre throughout the 1950's while stars like Musial, Schoendienst, and later Boyer put up some splendid seasons. Musial wasn't enough to keep the team in the hunt for more pennants.

I saw Musial play in his last season, 1963. I will never forget that, my Dad made sure I saw him play. The Cardinals were finally a very good team but fell short of the Koufax-Drysdale Dodgers. Musial retired, the team did some retooling on the fly after a very disappointing start in 1964 (sound familiar?) and ultimately fought back to win the pennant and World Series. No Musial, and to boot, the Cardinals nailed the coffin shut on the Great Yankee Dynasty besting great stars like Mickey Mantle, Roger Maris, Elston Howard, Whitey Ford. Leading the way for the Cardinals were two young players, one on the brink of his peak, one just emerging as an everyday player and star as the season progressed: Bob Gibson and Lou Brock.

Teams win or lose, stars come and go. Some great stars never win titles (Ernie Banks), some teams win without established superstars. Stars of the past crossed paths with second tier and emerging stars in 1963-64. Soon, young white boys in the suburbs had Bob Gibson and Lou Brock posters on their walls, vied to wear 45 or 20 on their jerseys. Those players eventually gave way to new team leaders, players named Keith Hernandez, Ozzie Smith, Bruce Sutter. Those guys were great players but they never were not the top stars in the NL, they weren't making anyone forget the Big Red Machine or the Smith-Cey-Garvey Dodgers. The big slugging stars played for the teams the Cardinals beat in 1982: Murphy, Horner, Yount, Cooper, Simmons, Thomas. The Cardinals had the better TEAM.

The legendary journalist and sportswriter David Halberstam's 1964 is an awesome read.

Seems like the farm system Rickey pioneered was not getting the same attention once he was with the Dodgers?

Yes, and yes! Gibson's book is a good read, too. "1964" is a classic baseball book by a great writer, every bit as good as "1949" (much better for St. Louis fans!).

A corollary theme to my excursion through history is the influence of the GMs. You are spot on about Rickey. Later, Bing Devine systematically constructed the 64 Cardinals but got fired mid-season by the impatient Gussie Busch (at Rickey's recommendation). Later, of course, there was Herzog, then another lull after he moved on and the Brewery ownership became problematic. Army may not be a Branch Rickey but he's every bit a Bing Devine with some Herzog in him.

[IsDurbanodoingtime]

Speaking of Musial, there's a lesson to be learned here.

After the Cardinals won the World Series in 1946 with Musial leading the way their window slowly closed over the late 1940's. (they almost won a pennant in 1949) due primarily to ownership financial issues and transitions and a withering of their vast talent pipeline. They were mediocre throughout the 1950's while stars like Musial, Schoendienst, and later Boyer put up some splendid seasons. Musial wasn't enough to keep the team in the hunt for more pennants.

I saw Musial play in his last season, 1963. I will never forget that, my Dad made sure I saw him play. The Cardinals were finally a very good team but fell short of the Koufax-Drysdale Dodgers. Musial retired, the team did some retooling on the fly after a very disappointing start in 1964 (sound familiar?) and ultimately fought back to win the pennant and World Series. No Musial, and to boot, the Cardinals nailed the coffin shut on the Great Yankee Dynasty besting great stars like Mickey Mantle, Roger Maris, Elston Howard, Whitey Ford. Leading the way for the Cardinals were two young players, one on the brink of his peak, one just emerging as an everyday player and star as the season progressed: Bob Gibson and Lou Brock.

Teams win or lose, stars come and go. Some great stars never win titles (Ernie Banks), some teams win without established superstars. Stars of the past crossed paths with second tier and emerging stars in 1963-64. Soon, young white boys in the suburbs had Bob Gibson and Lou Brock posters on their walls, vied to wear 45 or 20 on their jerseys. Those players eventually gave way to new team leaders, players named Keith Hernandez, Ozzie Smith, Bruce Sutter. Those guys were great players but they never were not the top stars in the NL, they weren't making anyone forget the Big Red Machine or the Smith-Cey-Garvey Dodgers. The big slugging stars played for the teams the Cardinals beat in 1982: Murphy, Horner, Yount, Cooper, Simmons, Thomas. The Cardinals had the better TEAM.


Good stuff. I was distraught when Simmons got traded. Coolest Card in my book.

[Cahokanut]

He surprised me.

I watched him in a handful of Minnesota games and I never saw that level of I guess, 'energy, from him. So. I don't know.
Before those playoff games I was silently seeing Bergy. After I was happy I never voiced that. Because I thought he showed big promise.

The Blues management know more about "the man" than we do. We see draft position, stats, size, etc we dont know the person. This is why Tony Feltrin and his staff are so good, this is why this ridiculous stream of posts from this attention seeker are a fallacy. Guess what, doesnt matter where exactly you were drafted its the skillset, the mindset how coachable and the quality of the staff developing you. We can point out again and again how well Blues picks have performed vs their draft class, top 10 or better over and over.
This is why Snuggerud (23rd in '22) performed so well in the first round series vs the Jets, as did Neighbours. Snuggerud comes from a legit hockey family and the Blues knew the pedigree matters.
Watch Snuggerud in the Calder hunt, right now oddsmakers have Jimmy S, at +1400 or 5th behind Demidov (5th in '24), Nikishin (69th in '20), Parekh (9th in '24); Leonard (8th in '23). Odd only Demidov was "Top 5". Jimmy Snuggerud could very easily explode on Thomas's RW for 30 goals and it would not shock me in the least.
This is what Snuggerud playing in the playoff tells us you moron.

https://www.covers.com/nhl/calder-trophy-odds

You're a Moron and a poopyhead.

Hopefully you went to summer school and learnt how to be a sixth grader.

[a smell of green grass]

Speaking of Musial, there's a lesson to be learned here.

After the Cardinals won the World Series in 1946 with Musial leading the way their window slowly closed over the late 1940's. (they almost won a pennant in 1949) due primarily to ownership financial issues and transitions and a withering of their vast talent pipeline. They were mediocre throughout the 1950's while stars like Musial, Schoendienst, and later Boyer put up some splendid seasons. Musial wasn't enough to keep the team in the hunt for more pennants.

I saw Musial play in his last season, 1963. I will never forget that, my Dad made sure I saw him play. The Cardinals were finally a very good team but fell short of the Koufax-Drysdale Dodgers. Musial retired, the team did some retooling on the fly after a very disappointing start in 1964 (sound familiar?) and ultimately fought back to win the pennant and World Series. No Musial, and to boot, the Cardinals nailed the coffin shut on the Great Yankee Dynasty besting great stars like Mickey Mantle, Roger Maris, Elston Howard, Whitey Ford. Leading the way for the Cardinals were two young players, one on the brink of his peak, one just emerging as an everyday player and star as the season progressed: Bob Gibson and Lou Brock.

Teams win or lose, stars come and go. Some great stars never win titles (Ernie Banks), some teams win without established superstars. Stars of the past crossed paths with second tier and emerging stars in 1963-64. Soon, young white boys in the suburbs had Bob Gibson and Lou Brock posters on their walls, vied to wear 45 or 20 on their jerseys. Those players eventually gave way to new team leaders, players named Keith Hernandez, Ozzie Smith, Bruce Sutter. Those guys were great players but they never were not the top stars in the NL, they weren't making anyone forget the Big Red Machine or the Smith-Cey-Garvey Dodgers. The big slugging stars played for the teams the Cardinals beat in 1982: Murphy, Horner, Yount, Cooper, Simmons, Thomas. The Cardinals had the better TEAM.

The legendary journalist and sportswriter David Halberstam's 1964 is an awesome read.

Seems like the farm system Rickey pioneered was not getting the same attention once he was with the Dodgers?

Yes, and yes! Gibson's book is a good read, too. "1964" is a classic baseball book by a great writer, every bit as good as "1949" (much better for St. Louis fans!).

A corollary theme to my excursion through history is the influence of the GMs. You are spot on about Rickey. Later, Bing Devine systematically constructed the 64 Cardinals but got fired mid-season by the impatient Gussie Busch (at Rickey's recommendation). Later, of course, there was Herzog, then another lull after he moved on and the Brewery ownership became problematic. Army may not be a Branch Rickey but he's every bit a Bing Devine with some Herzog in him.

Subtract Musial, Gibson, Pujols, Smith and the other elite HOFers from the Cardinals, and how many World Series do we win with "a team"? Answer: Likely ZERO.

How many fewer tickets do we sell? How many fewer memories at the ballpark?

Talent matters. Many cities have "a great cohesive team". That is not what pushes one team to the top of the heap.

[fish]

Speaking of Musial, there's a lesson to be learned here.

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Subtract Musial, Gibson, Pujols, Smith and the other elite HOFers from the Cardinals, and how many World Series do we win with "a team"? Answer: Likely ZERO.

How many fewer tickets do we sell? How many fewer memories at the ballpark?

Talent matters. Many cities have "a great cohesive team". That is not what pushes one team to the top of the heap.

Wow, are you sure you want to make such a shocking claim that if you take the HOF players from a team they will not be so good? So I guess the Panthers would not have won the Cup if they did not have Tkachuk, Bobrowski, Bennett, Barkov or Eckbland. I Guess the Islanders would not have won 4 cups if they did not have Bossy, Trottier, Gilles, Smith, or Potvin. I could go on and on pulling great names off of great teams and then stating that they would not have won, drawn fans, or sold jerseys without those players.

Come on Smelly, you can do much better than this!!!!