Double Hook Rule

[ecleme22]

I don’t like it.

In fact, since they deployed the pitch clock and the game is so much faster, I want mlb to eliminate the three batter rule for relievers.

The manager has x amount of arms. He should be able to use them how he sees fit.

No. Pitchers should be able to throw to 3 batters.

Funny how many dislike the DH, but want LOOGY/ROOGY back

All pitchers can throw to 3 hitters.

Some pitch better to certain hitters.

Gee, really?

Sailed over your head. Not surprised.

This isn’t little league.

An mlb team should be able to deploy their talent as they see fit

MLB didn't see it that way and it slowed the game down
Baseball is better with that rule.

Now, I do think they should allow the shift...Much like proving you belong in the bigs by having to pitch to 3 batters, hitters who are strictly pull hitters, would need to prove they can hit to other fields.

Raising the bar for the level of competency in each of those situations. Face 3 batters, allow the shift. This isn't tee ball

The pitch clock has sped up the game to where adding a LOOGY back makes sense

Nope. That slows it down again
Teams are better if you can have pitchers that can get a lefty and a tightly out.

Teams are better if they are able to deploy their players in the best situations.

[scoutyjones2]

I don’t like it.

In fact, since they deployed the pitch clock and the game is so much faster, I want mlb to eliminate the three batter rule for relievers.

The manager has x amount of arms. He should be able to use them how he sees fit.

No. Pitchers should be able to throw to 3 batters.

Funny how many dislike the DH, but want LOOGY/ROOGY back

All pitchers can throw to 3 hitters.

Some pitch better to certain hitters.

Gee, really?

Sailed over your head. Not surprised.

This isn’t little league.

An mlb team should be able to deploy their talent as they see fit

MLB didn't see it that way and it slowed the game down
Baseball is better with that rule.

Now, I do think they should allow the shift...Much like proving you belong in the bigs by having to pitch to 3 batters, hitters who are strictly pull hitters, would need to prove they can hit to other fields.

Raising the bar for the level of competency in each of those situations. Face 3 batters, allow the shift. This isn't tee ball

The pitch clock has sped up the game to where adding a LOOGY back makes sense

Nope. That slows it down again
Teams are better if you can have pitchers that can get a lefty and a tightly out.

Teams are better if they are able to deploy their players in the best situations.

Only so many roster spaces. Teams are better without one tool players taking up space.

[RamFan08NY]

Honest question: what problem is this solving?

What is the problem with the opener pitcher?

What is the problem if a manager goes w a reliever after 4 innings?

Seriously, what is the problem?

I was going to ask the same questions. What problem is the OP trying to solve? To me, if a starting pitcher doesn't have his best stuff, and it happens to almost all pitchers, you're intentionally penalizing that team, putting them at a double disadvantage. Why?

Another sister said this idea would put more emphasis on forcing pitchers to work later in the game. No. This rule would not make pitchers better. It would not make pitchers stronger.

This "hook rule" might be as gimmicky as the ghost runner.

Yeah why are some so obsessed with starters going late into games?

Because it is better theater. Baseball is better when you have starters going toe to toe deep into games. The game has erased that... which sucks.

True point, but changing the DH rule doesn't make pitchers better. Do you want a pitcher going 7 innings, even at the cost of giving up 9 runs? Thats only better theater if you're the team scoring the 9 spot.

[ecleme22]

I don’t like it.

In fact, since they deployed the pitch clock and the game is so much faster, I want mlb to eliminate the three batter rule for relievers.

The manager has x amount of arms. He should be able to use them how he sees fit.

No. Pitchers should be able to throw to 3 batters.

Funny how many dislike the DH, but want LOOGY/ROOGY back

All pitchers can throw to 3 hitters.

Some pitch better to certain hitters.

Gee, really?

Sailed over your head. Not surprised.

This isn’t little league.

An mlb team should be able to deploy their talent as they see fit

MLB didn't see it that way and it slowed the game down
Baseball is better with that rule.

Now, I do think they should allow the shift...Much like proving you belong in the bigs by having to pitch to 3 batters, hitters who are strictly pull hitters, would need to prove they can hit to other fields.

Raising the bar for the level of competency in each of those situations. Face 3 batters, allow the shift. This isn't tee ball

The pitch clock has sped up the game to where adding a LOOGY back makes sense

Nope. That slows it down again
Teams are better if you can have pitchers that can get a lefty and a tightly out.

Teams are better if they are able to deploy their players in the best situations.

Only so many roster spaces. Teams are better without one tool players taking up space.

Where is your data?

[freed5179]

The biggest problem with the double hook rule is that if a starter has a bad start and really does need to be pulled, you've handcuffed the trailing team's effort to comeback by removing their DH.

For those wondering what problem this is trying to solve, well, I guess you never experienced great starting pitcher matchups, games that fans used to look forward to. Now pitchers, think Skenes, are praised as historically great for stringing together five and dive-type starts.

I'd start with reducing pitching staffs to 12 next year, and 11 the year after, combined with making it harder to send pitchers up-and-down from AAA. More could still be done, but that would be a great start.

[pitchingandefense]

The biggest problem with the double hook rule is that if a starter has a bad start and really does need to be pulled, you've handcuffed the trailing team's effort to comeback by removing their DH.

For those wondering what problem this is trying to solve, well, I guess you never experienced great starting pitcher matchups, games that fans used to look forward to. Now pitchers, think Skenes, are praised as historically great for stringing together five and dive-type starts.

I'd start with reducing pitching staffs to 12 next year, and 11 the year after, combined with making it harder to send pitchers up-and-down from AAA. More could still be done, but that would be a great start.

Bringing back the luster of the starting pitcher as a star in the game is definitely what those of us who support the rule are wanting to see accomplished.

Maybe the roster limitations on pitchers and pitcher transactions would be enough to help. But it’s probably going to take some extreme measures to return the game to when it was most entertaining. And the double hook rule allows for some strategy.

[MIDMOBIRDTWO]

What does the board think?

If you pull your starting pitcher prior to completing five innings, then you lose a designated hitter for the rest of the game.

I believe the original rule tested, stated completing six settings, but given the state of the game, five innings seems more appropriate.

I’m in favor of. Too much micromanaging is starting pitchers by the stat heads.

Nah, I'd rather they just go back to NL rules.

Yes. And lose interleague play and the ghost runner

All of it would be nice gone.