So how good will Mailloux be?

[rezero]

In the end, this was a trade for 2 solid 22 year olds who both project as solid secondary players. Not stars but legit NHLers. Bolduc is a bit more proven at the moment but Mailloux plays the much more premium position. As Army said, we’ll find out in time how well each team did in this trade.

Bolduc was 8th in scoring and #1 in +/- among all rookies. He is projected more than a role player.

Bolduc also had hardly any ice time in the playoffs (lowest other than Matthew Joseph of forwards who received any ice time). Army also didn’t shine rainbows about his game prior to the trade. There were comments made like “he will have a shorter leash on his mistakes in his 2nd season than he did as a rookie”. This tells me that while to many (including myself) it seemed he played well, the blues might not have loved his game. If they liked him, I would expect a comment like “he outplayed our expectations this year, and while there may have been some bumps along the way, but we expect he will continue to progress and be a contributor in our top 9 going forward.”

As soon as I saw the “shorter leash” comment, it made me feel his time here was ticking.

Like Kyrou, he made huge strides at the end of the regular season.
Like Kyrou, Zack had a very rude awakening about the second season.

Bolduc had a solid second season especially when you consider he had the shortest rookie season the league allows (25games). When you take that into consideration he played very well.

[Harry York 37]

In the end, this was a trade for 2 solid 22 year olds who both project as solid secondary players. Not stars but legit NHLers. Bolduc is a bit more proven at the moment but Mailloux plays the much more premium position. As Army said, we’ll find out in time how well each team did in this trade.

Bolduc was 8th in scoring and #1 in +/- among all rookies. He is projected more than a role player.

Bolduc also had hardly any ice time in the playoffs (lowest other than Matthew Joseph of forwards who received any ice time). Army also didn’t shine rainbows about his game prior to the trade. There were comments made like “he will have a shorter leash on his mistakes in his 2nd season than he did as a rookie”. This tells me that while to many (including myself) it seemed he played well, the blues might not have loved his game. If they liked him, I would expect a comment like “he outplayed our expectations this year, and while there may have been some bumps along the way, but we expect he will continue to progress and be a contributor in our top 9 going forward.”

As soon as I saw the “shorter leash” comment, it made me feel his time here was ticking.

Like Kyrou, he made huge strides at the end of the regular season.
Like Kyrou, Zack had a very rude awakening about the second season.

Bolduc had a solid second season especially when you consider he had the shortest rookie season the league allows (25games). When you take that into consideration he played very well.

"Very well" is quite the stretch.

" He did not blow goats" is more accurate. He was "okay". A Minus 1 and a single assist over seven high scoring games. The middle six were a big disappointment.
Kyrou was "okay" as well, but they both dropped off the cliff once the real season began. They had so much more to contribute.

I guaranty, if Mailloux finishes his first playoff series at a minus with a single assist, folks will not be pumping his tires like that.

[theograce]

In the end, this was a trade for 2 solid 22 year olds who both project as solid secondary players. Not stars but legit NHLers. Bolduc is a bit more proven at the moment but Mailloux plays the much more premium position. As Army said, we’ll find out in time how well each team did in this trade.

Bolduc was 8th in scoring and #1 in +/- among all rookies. He is projected more than a role player.

Bolduc also had hardly any ice time in the playoffs (lowest other than Matthew Joseph of forwards who received any ice time). Army also didn’t shine rainbows about his game prior to the trade. There were comments made like “he will have a shorter leash on his mistakes in his 2nd season than he did as a rookie”. This tells me that while to many (including myself) it seemed he played well, the blues might not have loved his game. If they liked him, I would expect a comment like “he outplayed our expectations this year, and while there may have been some bumps along the way, but we expect he will continue to progress and be a contributor in our top 9 going forward.”

As soon as I saw the “shorter leash” comment, it made me feel his time here was ticking.

Like Kyrou, he made huge strides at the end of the regular season.
Like Kyrou, Zack had a very rude awakening about the second season.

Bolduc had a solid second season especially when you consider he had the shortest rookie season the league allows (25games). When you take that into consideration he played very well.

"Very well" is quite the stretch.

" He did not blow goats" is more accurate. He was "okay". A Minus 1 and a single assist over seven high scoring games. The middle six were a big disappointment.
Kyrou was "okay" as well, but they both dropped off the cliff once the real season began. They had so much more to contribute.

I guaranty, if Mailloux finishes his first playoff series at a minus with a single assist, folks will not be pumping his tires like that.

Buchnevich has goals in 2 of 27 playoff games…or the real season as you call it

[Old_Goat]

Montreal sure is dumb for trading a top four defenseman that can punch harder than he can shoot for a third line bum that overachieved last season.

I presume that is sarcasm, but it is a bit unfair. This is just two teams trading solid futures from positions of strength/over abundance within their pipelines.

Before Noah Dobson you had a lot of fans predicting Mailloux as a future top four defenseman. With Noah Dobson they don't have room.

With Zack Bolduc the Blues had a solid middle six guy who was on a team maturing a lot of solid middle six guys.

This trade should just work out for both teams. Some people seem to be troubled that this could just be a good hockey trade.

Your take and what/how you say makes the most sense. Hey, I like Bolduc a lot. But I think there is an excellent probability the TEAM's results will be better as we look back in a few years because of this trade.

[seattleblue]

No. It wasn't. One guy had stats much alike most first year, NHL hall of Famers

just noticed this. truly pitiful. actual lol

Pitiful you didn't know it.

Too funny

I am in awe of how stupid you have to be to say Bolduc is pacing like a hall of famer

[STL fan in MN]

In the end, this was a trade for 2 solid 22 year olds who both project as solid secondary players. Not stars but legit NHLers. Bolduc is a bit more proven at the moment but Mailloux plays the much more premium position. As Army said, we’ll find out in time how well each team did in this trade.

Bolduc was 8th in scoring and #1 in +/- among all rookies. He is projected more than a role player.

Bolduc also had hardly any ice time in the playoffs (lowest other than Matthew Joseph of forwards who received any ice time). Army also didn’t shine rainbows about his game prior to the trade. There were comments made like “he will have a shorter leash on his mistakes in his 2nd season than he did as a rookie”. This tells me that while to many (including myself) it seemed he played well, the blues might not have loved his game. If they liked him, I would expect a comment like “he outplayed our expectations this year, and while there may have been some bumps along the way, but we expect he will continue to progress and be a contributor in our top 9 going forward.”

As soon as I saw the “shorter leash” comment, it made me feel his time here was ticking.

Like Kyrou, he made huge strides at the end of the regular season.
Like Kyrou, Zack had a very rude awakening about the second season.

Bolduc had a solid second season especially when you consider he had the shortest rookie season the league allows (25games). When you take that into consideration he played very well.

"Very well" is quite the stretch.

" He did not blow goats" is more accurate. He was "okay". A Minus 1 and a single assist over seven high scoring games. The middle six were a big disappointment.
Kyrou was "okay" as well, but they both dropped off the cliff once the real season began. They had so much more to contribute.

I guaranty, if Mailloux finishes his first playoff series at a minus with a single assist, folks will not be pumping his tires like that.

Buchnevich has goals in 2 of 27 playoff games…or the real season as you call it

First off, this is classic whataboutism. What another player did doesn’t change a darn thing about Bolduc.

Secondly, it’s wrong. He’s scored 4 playoff goals, not 2. Heck, he had 3 just this past season against the Jets.

Thirdly, how many assists does he have? It’s almost as if you purposely left out his assists to make him look bad…
The answer is 16 btw, giving him 20 pts in 27 career playoff games.

There’s no denying Buch made a boneheaded play late in Game 7 when he iced that puck but he scored 3 goals, 5 assists for 8 pts in 7 games that series. This is a very curious time to be ripping on his playoff production IMO.

[callitwhatyouwant]

In the end, this was a trade for 2 solid 22 year olds who both project as solid secondary players. Not stars but legit NHLers. Bolduc is a bit more proven at the moment but Mailloux plays the much more premium position. As Army said, we’ll find out in time how well each team did in this trade.

Bolduc was 8th in scoring and #1 in +/- among all rookies. He is projected more than a role player.

Bolduc also had hardly any ice time in the playoffs (lowest other than Matthew Joseph of forwards who received any ice time). Army also didn’t shine rainbows about his game prior to the trade. There were comments made like “he will have a shorter leash on his mistakes in his 2nd season than he did as a rookie”. This tells me that while to many (including myself) it seemed he played well, the blues might not have loved his game. If they liked him, I would expect a comment like “he outplayed our expectations this year, and while there may have been some bumps along the way, but we expect he will continue to progress and be a contributor in our top 9 going forward.”

As soon as I saw the “shorter leash” comment, it made me feel his time here was ticking.

Like Kyrou, he made huge strides at the end of the regular season.
Like Kyrou, Zack had a very rude awakening about the second season.

Bolduc had a solid second season especially when you consider he had the shortest rookie season the league allows (25games). When you take that into consideration he played very well.

"Very well" is quite the stretch.

" He did not blow goats" is more accurate. He was "okay". A Minus 1 and a single assist over seven high scoring games. The middle six were a big disappointment.
Kyrou was "okay" as well, but they both dropped off the cliff once the real season began. They had so much more to contribute.

I guaranty, if Mailloux finishes his first playoff series at a minus with a single assist, folks will not be pumping his tires like that.

Buchnevich has goals in 2 of 27 playoff games…or the real season as you call it

First off, this is classic whataboutism. What another player did doesn’t change a darn thing about Bolduc.

Secondly, it’s wrong. He’s scored 4 playoff goals, not 2. Heck, he had 3 just this past season against the Jets.

Thirdly, how many assists does he have? It’s almost as if you purposely left out his assists to make him look bad…
The answer is 16 btw, giving him 20 pts in 27 career playoff games.

There’s no denying Buch made a boneheaded play late in Game 7 when he iced that puck but he scored 3 goals, 5 assists for 8 pts in 7 games that series. This is a very curious time to be ripping on his playoff production IMO.

Buchnevich has 19 points in 19 games as a Blue. I will take that every day of the week. Being directly responsible for winning individual games isn't a problem, it's a feature. Now this year making a bad icing ends the year with some stink, but he has been a very very good playoff performer for the Blues. He registered point in 5 of 7 playoff games this year. He registered points in 7 of 12 in the previous playoff year for the Blues. Including 7 points in 6 games against that Wagon of an avalanche team.

Trolls will troll. Buchy is a really really good Blue Note. And finished last 15-20 games of regular season with the 7 playoff games looking like he was back to his normal self when it "mattered most."

[seattleblue]

In the end, this was a trade for 2 solid 22 year olds who both project as solid secondary players. Not stars but legit NHLers. Bolduc is a bit more proven at the moment but Mailloux plays the much more premium position. As Army said, we’ll find out in time how well each team did in this trade.

Bolduc was 8th in scoring and #1 in +/- among all rookies. He is projected more than a role player.

Bolduc also had hardly any ice time in the playoffs (lowest other than Matthew Joseph of forwards who received any ice time). Army also didn’t shine rainbows about his game prior to the trade. There were comments made like “he will have a shorter leash on his mistakes in his 2nd season than he did as a rookie”. This tells me that while to many (including myself) it seemed he played well, the blues might not have loved his game. If they liked him, I would expect a comment like “he outplayed our expectations this year, and while there may have been some bumps along the way, but we expect he will continue to progress and be a contributor in our top 9 going forward.”

As soon as I saw the “shorter leash” comment, it made me feel his time here was ticking.

Like Kyrou, he made huge strides at the end of the regular season.
Like Kyrou, Zack had a very rude awakening about the second season.

Bolduc had a solid second season especially when you consider he had the shortest rookie season the league allows (25games). When you take that into consideration he played very well.

"Very well" is quite the stretch.

" He did not blow goats" is more accurate. He was "okay". A Minus 1 and a single assist over seven high scoring games. The middle six were a big disappointment.
Kyrou was "okay" as well, but they both dropped off the cliff once the real season began. They had so much more to contribute.

I guaranty, if Mailloux finishes his first playoff series at a minus with a single assist, folks will not be pumping his tires like that.

Buchnevich has goals in 2 of 27 playoff games…or the real season as you call it

First off, this is classic whataboutism. What another player did doesn’t change a darn thing about Bolduc.

Secondly, it’s wrong. He’s scored 4 playoff goals, not 2. Heck, he had 3 just this past season against the Jets.

Thirdly, how many assists does he have? It’s almost as if you purposely left out his assists to make him look bad…
The answer is 16 btw, giving him 20 pts in 27 career playoff games.

There’s no denying Buch made a boneheaded play late in Game 7 when he iced that puck but he scored 3 goals, 5 assists for 8 pts in 7 games that series. This is a very curious time to be ripping on his playoff production IMO.

Your side is more persuasive but the one element theo is onto with Buchnevich is that he leaves you wanting more sometimes. Even in this past playoffs. Who is going to pick up the team and will them to victory. To me it doesn't feel like him, but it's an inchoate feeling from observation that I can't use stats to argue. Some players are like that.

[DawgDad]

In the end, this was a trade for 2 solid 22 year olds who both project as solid secondary players. Not stars but legit NHLers. Bolduc is a bit more proven at the moment but Mailloux plays the much more premium position. As Army said, we’ll find out in time how well each team did in this trade.

Bolduc was 8th in scoring and #1 in +/- among all rookies. He is projected more than a role player.

Bolduc also had hardly any ice time in the playoffs (lowest other than Matthew Joseph of forwards who received any ice time). Army also didn’t shine rainbows about his game prior to the trade. There were comments made like “he will have a shorter leash on his mistakes in his 2nd season than he did as a rookie”. This tells me that while to many (including myself) it seemed he played well, the blues might not have loved his game. If they liked him, I would expect a comment like “he outplayed our expectations this year, and while there may have been some bumps along the way, but we expect he will continue to progress and be a contributor in our top 9 going forward.”

As soon as I saw the “shorter leash” comment, it made me feel his time here was ticking.

Like Kyrou, he made huge strides at the end of the regular season.
Like Kyrou, Zack had a very rude awakening about the second season.

Bolduc had a solid second season especially when you consider he had the shortest rookie season the league allows (25games). When you take that into consideration he played very well.

"Very well" is quite the stretch.

" He did not blow goats" is more accurate. He was "okay". A Minus 1 and a single assist over seven high scoring games. The middle six were a big disappointment.
Kyrou was "okay" as well, but they both dropped off the cliff once the real season began. They had so much more to contribute.

I guaranty, if Mailloux finishes his first playoff series at a minus with a single assist, folks will not be pumping his tires like that.

Buchnevich has goals in 2 of 27 playoff games…or the real season as you call it

First off, this is classic whataboutism. What another player did doesn’t change a darn thing about Bolduc.

Secondly, it’s wrong. He’s scored 4 playoff goals, not 2. Heck, he had 3 just this past season against the Jets.

Thirdly, how many assists does he have? It’s almost as if you purposely left out his assists to make him look bad…
The answer is 16 btw, giving him 20 pts in 27 career playoff games.

There’s no denying Buch made a boneheaded play late in Game 7 when he iced that puck but he scored 3 goals, 5 assists for 8 pts in 7 games that series. This is a very curious time to be ripping on his playoff production IMO.

Buchnevich has 19 points in 19 games as a Blue. I will take that every day of the week. Being directly responsible for winning individual games isn't a problem, it's a feature. Now this year making a bad icing ends the year with some stink, but he has been a very very good playoff performer for the Blues. He registered point in 5 of 7 playoff games this year. He registered points in 7 of 12 in the previous playoff year for the Blues. Including 7 points in 6 games against that Wagon of an avalanche team.

Trolls will troll. Buchy is a really really good Blue Note. And finished last 15-20 games of regular season with the 7 playoff games looking like he was back to his normal self when it "mattered most."

The "last three seconds" was so stunning people seem to forget those really weren't the last three seconds. The Blues fought the Jets to a standoff deep into double overtime. That is a lot of hockey, tough hockey at its toughest. That series could have ended in the Blues favor with benefit of a single bounce or deflection or perhaps a fraction of an inch.

[theograce]

Secondly, it’s wrong. He’s scored 4 playoff goals, not 2. Heck, he had 3 just this past season against the Jets.

It’s not wrong. He has goals in 2 playoff games in his career

[dhsux]

I myself have pointed out both Buch and Faulk for that loss in the closing period of regulation.

But the truth is it had been a TEAM (including coaching) problem most all year.

[callitwhatyouwant]

In the end, this was a trade for 2 solid 22 year olds who both project as solid secondary players. Not stars but legit NHLers. Bolduc is a bit more proven at the moment but Mailloux plays the much more premium position. As Army said, we’ll find out in time how well each team did in this trade.

Bolduc was 8th in scoring and #1 in +/- among all rookies. He is projected more than a role player.

Bolduc also had hardly any ice time in the playoffs (lowest other than Matthew Joseph of forwards who received any ice time). Army also didn’t shine rainbows about his game prior to the trade. There were comments made like “he will have a shorter leash on his mistakes in his 2nd season than he did as a rookie”. This tells me that while to many (including myself) it seemed he played well, the blues might not have loved his game. If they liked him, I would expect a comment like “he outplayed our expectations this year, and while there may have been some bumps along the way, but we expect he will continue to progress and be a contributor in our top 9 going forward.”

As soon as I saw the “shorter leash” comment, it made me feel his time here was ticking.

Like Kyrou, he made huge strides at the end of the regular season.
Like Kyrou, Zack had a very rude awakening about the second season.

Bolduc had a solid second season especially when you consider he had the shortest rookie season the league allows (25games). When you take that into consideration he played very well.

"Very well" is quite the stretch.

" He did not blow goats" is more accurate. He was "okay". A Minus 1 and a single assist over seven high scoring games. The middle six were a big disappointment.
Kyrou was "okay" as well, but they both dropped off the cliff once the real season began. They had so much more to contribute.

I guaranty, if Mailloux finishes his first playoff series at a minus with a single assist, folks will not be pumping his tires like that.

Buchnevich has goals in 2 of 27 playoff games…or the real season as you call it

First off, this is classic whataboutism. What another player did doesn’t change a darn thing about Bolduc.

Secondly, it’s wrong. He’s scored 4 playoff goals, not 2. Heck, he had 3 just this past season against the Jets.

Thirdly, how many assists does he have? It’s almost as if you purposely left out his assists to make him look bad…
The answer is 16 btw, giving him 20 pts in 27 career playoff games.

There’s no denying Buch made a boneheaded play late in Game 7 when he iced that puck but he scored 3 goals, 5 assists for 8 pts in 7 games that series. This is a very curious time to be ripping on his playoff production IMO.

Your side is more persuasive but the one element theo is onto with Buchnevich is that he leaves you wanting more sometimes. Even in this past playoffs. Who is going to pick up the team and will them to victory. To me it doesn't feel like him, but it's an inchoate feeling from observation that I can't use stats to argue. Some players are like that.

When there is no statistical data to go off of that indicates your observations aren't driven by biases, then it's just that, a predetermined opinion of a player. Buchnevich has been one of if not the most consistent playoff performers since he has worn the note. He has 2 appearances, is a PPG player, has registered points in 12 of 19 games. Is he an all star? No. But he is about as good as we got.

Use those same 2 playoff series, and Robert Thomas is 14 points in 19 games. He registered points in 9 of 19 games. Jordan Kyrou 12 points in 19 games. Registered points in 11 of 19 games. Kyrou is lacking that "signature" game where he took it over where Buchy has a couple.

So are we honestly in good faith going to say Buchnevich is a bad playoff performer, when he shows up more consistently than our 2 studs, and produces more points than them? Is that really the argument we are making here?

[seattleblue]

Secondly, it’s wrong. He’s scored 4 playoff goals, not 2. Heck, he had 3 just this past season against the Jets.

It’s not wrong. He has goals in 2 playoff games in his career

He had a hat trick in Game 3 this year, so you are both right. 4 goals scored but goals in only 2 playoff games

[theograce]

Secondly, it’s wrong. He’s scored 4 playoff goals, not 2. Heck, he had 3 just this past season against the Jets.

It’s not wrong. He has goals in 2 playoff games in his career

He had a hat trick in Game 3 this year

I’m aware of that.

[STL fan in MN]

Secondly, it’s wrong. He’s scored 4 playoff goals, not 2. Heck, he had 3 just this past season against the Jets.

It’s not wrong. He has goals in 2 playoff games in his career

Ah, I see how you worded it a now…purposely worded in that precise way to frame it in a way that fits your agenda. Yes, he’s scored 4 goals in those 2 games. Interesting how you cut out and didn’t respond to the rest of my post where I called out your cr@p.

[STL fan in MN]

In the end, this was a trade for 2 solid 22 year olds who both project as solid secondary players. Not stars but legit NHLers. Bolduc is a bit more proven at the moment but Mailloux plays the much more premium position. As Army said, we’ll find out in time how well each team did in this trade.

Bolduc was 8th in scoring and #1 in +/- among all rookies. He is projected more than a role player.

Bolduc also had hardly any ice time in the playoffs (lowest other than Matthew Joseph of forwards who received any ice time). Army also didn’t shine rainbows about his game prior to the trade. There were comments made like “he will have a shorter leash on his mistakes in his 2nd season than he did as a rookie”. This tells me that while to many (including myself) it seemed he played well, the blues might not have loved his game. If they liked him, I would expect a comment like “he outplayed our expectations this year, and while there may have been some bumps along the way, but we expect he will continue to progress and be a contributor in our top 9 going forward.”

As soon as I saw the “shorter leash” comment, it made me feel his time here was ticking.

Like Kyrou, he made huge strides at the end of the regular season.
Like Kyrou, Zack had a very rude awakening about the second season.

Bolduc had a solid second season especially when you consider he had the shortest rookie season the league allows (25games). When you take that into consideration he played very well.

"Very well" is quite the stretch.

" He did not blow goats" is more accurate. He was "okay". A Minus 1 and a single assist over seven high scoring games. The middle six were a big disappointment.
Kyrou was "okay" as well, but they both dropped off the cliff once the real season began. They had so much more to contribute.

I guaranty, if Mailloux finishes his first playoff series at a minus with a single assist, folks will not be pumping his tires like that.

Buchnevich has goals in 2 of 27 playoff games…or the real season as you call it

First off, this is classic whataboutism. What another player did doesn’t change a darn thing about Bolduc.

Secondly, it’s wrong. He’s scored 4 playoff goals, not 2. Heck, he had 3 just this past season against the Jets.

Thirdly, how many assists does he have? It’s almost as if you purposely left out his assists to make him look bad…
The answer is 16 btw, giving him 20 pts in 27 career playoff games.

There’s no denying Buch made a boneheaded play late in Game 7 when he iced that puck but he scored 3 goals, 5 assists for 8 pts in 7 games that series. This is a very curious time to be ripping on his playoff production IMO.

Your side is more persuasive but the one element theo is onto with Buchnevich is that he leaves you wanting more sometimes. Even in this past playoffs. Who is going to pick up the team and will them to victory. To me it doesn't feel like him, but it's an inchoate feeling from observation that I can't use stats to argue. Some players are like that.

I won’t argue with that. Of all the moves Army has made since around 2023, re-signing Buch is the one I consider most iffy. I like the player now but the 1st year of his 6 year extension just started last month and takes him to age 36. I just don’t think it’s going to age very well. I don’t think it’s going to be an outright disaster, especially with where the Cap and thus where salaries are heading, but that was the one move I wasn’t fully on board with.

He’s a very good winger but he leaves me wanting more too sometimes. But my point was that 1) the topic was Bolduc and Theo of course did his whataboutism again and 2) he completely framed it in a way to make the issue appear much worse than reality.