Erick Fedde released by Braves

[WaltsSuccessor]

You could see just by looking at his numbers, that Fedde had a career year in 2024. But the Cardinals lack any depth of judgment. They are always buying high.

The Cardinals traded a fine player for this turd.

Horrible trade by the Cardinals.

Tommy edman has a .677 ops, his defense isnt his gold glove level by the metrics this year, and his numbers have been dropping crazy after a hot start. Edmans value was at all time low when we traded him too due to forever long wrist injury.

The trade was fine at the time the problem was we should have traded fedde in offseason. He still had value then. We gambled that if he repeatwd he could have even more value at trade deadline. We lost that gamble.

and it wasn't a bad gamble to take. sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.

and even if Fedde was traded in the offseason, it's not like he was bringing back a haul of talent

He was a cheap rotation arm coming off a very good rotation. Some teams might have viewed him at a fringe #2, but certainly a solid # 3 for like $8m.

For one year of that, they could’ve probably gotten one prospect from a team’s top 8 and another in their top 15. Even one fringe top 100 MLB prospect wasn’t out of the question if found the team desperate for pitching. Certainly better than they got!

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

You could see just by looking at his numbers, that Fedde had a career year in 2024. But the Cardinals lack any depth of judgment. They are always buying high.

The Cardinals traded a fine player for this turd.

Horrible trade by the Cardinals.

Tommy edman has a .677 ops, his defense isnt his gold glove level by the metrics this year, and his numbers have been dropping crazy after a hot start. Edmans value was at all time low when we traded him too due to forever long wrist injury.

The trade was fine at the time the problem was we should have traded fedde in offseason. He still had value then. We gambled that if he repeatwd he could have even more value at trade deadline. We lost that gamble.

and it wasn't a bad gamble to take. sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.

and even if Fedde was traded in the offseason, it's not like he was bringing back a haul of talent

He was a cheap rotation arm coming off a very good rotation. Some teams might have viewed him at a fringe #2, but certainly a solid # 3 for like $8m.

For one year of that, they could’ve probably gotten one prospect from a team’s top 8 and another in their top 15. Even one fringe top 100 MLB prospect wasn’t out of the question if found the team desperate for pitching. Certainly better than they got!

I called my buddy today and said the same thing. Top 8 in a clubs farm system with additional fluff.

[Red7]

Fedde would not have brought much in the offseason. The big question remained: was 2024 an outlier? The gamble was to hold on to Fedde, at a reasonable price, and hope he repeated 2023. Had he done so, his value would have risen greatly. He didn’t, so it didn’t. By the same token, while his value fell, it didn’t fall as much as it could have risen.

[RichieRichSTL]

You could see just by looking at his numbers, that Fedde had a career year in 2024. But the Cardinals lack any depth of judgment. They are always buying high.

The Cardinals traded a fine player for this turd.

Horrible trade by the Cardinals.

Tommy edman has a .677 ops, his defense isnt his gold glove level by the metrics this year, and his numbers have been dropping crazy after a hot start. Edmans value was at all time low when we traded him too due to forever long wrist injury.

The trade was fine at the time the problem was we should have traded fedde in offseason. He still had value then. We gambled that if he repeatwd he could have even more value at trade deadline. We lost that gamble.

and it wasn't a bad gamble to take. sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.

and even if Fedde was traded in the offseason, it's not like he was bringing back a haul of talent

You have an item you no longer need. It is a requires a very specific buyer. Meaning you could eventually get 8K+, but if you sold it to a pawn, you could quickly get 5K.

A friend has stock which he originally bought for 20K, it fell to 8K before rebounding to 10k. It's value appears unstable and he wants to cash. After fees, he might get 8K. So, he likes your item and proposes that he gift the stock to you for the item he wants to offload. So, trade straight up. You get his 10K in stock. He doesnt have to mess with a seller. You get your value, though not directly in cash.

You decide to hold it and see if it continues to rebound. Even if it falls, you'll still come out ok if you can clear 5K (the amount you'd have easily cleared for your sale item). The company gets bad news and your stock starts to tank. You realize you can only clear 4K for the stock. Everyone tells you to sell. You are put off by not getting what you expected. So, you hold on, hoping it will rebound. Eventually, you it tanks it is near worthless. Your best hope is to take a 500 offer.

You know you f**ked up and should have sold it when everyone told you too. Do you rationalize to yourself saying I wasn't going to get near what I had hoped to sell it for anyway.

Mo sold Fedde 'stock' at 'pennies' on the dollar. While 30-35 cents on the dollar doesnt net you a high value asset, it would net a decent asset. Rationalizing by saying that you didnt lose much negates that you lost something by being foolish.

He was fortunate to find a buyer for Craig. He spun Bader for more value than he was entitled to in Montgomery. But for every time he pulls off a deal like that, he makes 2 bad moves.

He holds onto a player until his value is gone, he inexplicably extends him too soon, signs him to a FA contract for much less after a trend down year, foolishly hoping to get a bargain on a rebound year or signs him out past his viability.

Every GM/POBO who has been in the position for any length will make decisions that turn out to blow up in their face. Mo however, unlike Milwaukee and Tampa Bay has had the luxury of f**king up too often as he had a higher payroll. We are now seeing what happens when that cushion is removed.

[renostl]

Fedde would not have brought much in the offseason. The big question remained: was 2024 an outlier? The gamble was to hold on to Fedde, at a reasonable price, and hope he repeated 2023. Had he done so, his value would have risen greatly. He didn’t, so it didn’t. By the same token, while his value fell, it didn’t fall as much as it could have risen.

Are you sure about that?

The roster value to the Cardinals was to provide, 1. depth in a system that lacked it.
2. To be turned into value beyond 2025.
However, Matz could have started or they could signed one of the multiple FA SP's
from the bargain rack.

Number 2 failed.

[Bomber1]

Fedde would not have brought much in the offseason. The big question remained: was 2024 an outlier? The gamble was to hold on to Fedde, at a reasonable price, and hope he repeated 2023. Had he done so, his value would have risen greatly. He didn’t, so it didn’t. By the same token, while his value fell, it didn’t fall as much as it could have risen.

Are you sure about that?

The roster value to the Cardinals was to provide, 1. depth in a system that lacked it.
2. To be turned into value beyond 2025.
However, Matz could have started or they could signed one of the multiple FA SP's
from the bargain rack.

Number 2 failed.

+1 - IMO Red’s last sentence is silly.

[renostl]

Fedde would not have brought much in the offseason. The big question remained: was 2024 an outlier? The gamble was to hold on to Fedde, at a reasonable price, and hope he repeated 2023. Had he done so, his value would have risen greatly. He didn’t, so it didn’t. By the same token, while his value fell, it didn’t fall as much as it could have risen.

Are you sure about that?

The roster value to the Cardinals was to provide, 1. depth in a system that lacked it.
2. To be turned into value beyond 2025.
However, Matz could have started or they could signed one of the multiple FA SP's
from the bargain rack.

Number 2 failed.

+1 - IMO Red’s last sentence is silly.

There could have been a third option although he doesn't fit the profile
of where the team is heading. Contact pitching vs SO pitching.

The FO MIGHT have seen him as a 2026 piece providing back end of
the rotation production for about 1/3 the cost of Miles and Matz.

[RichieRichSTL]

Fedde would not have brought much in the offseason. The big question remained: was 2024 an outlier? The gamble was to hold on to Fedde, at a reasonable price, and hope he repeated 2023. Had he done so, his value would have risen greatly. He didn’t, so it didn’t. By the same token, while his value fell, it didn’t fall as much as it could have risen.

The rise in his value would not have been as great as you think. Even at his best he would have been a rotation stabilizer, not the postseason game 1 or 2 choice for a serious contender. And you are only getting him 10-12 starts.

Mo said RESET year. So, you generally dont base keeping an expiring assets on what he can do for your season. The consensus around the league was that it was a career year for Fedde. Here's what it boils down to.

Maybe 10% he'd be better. 25% he'd be as good, 40% that he'd regress some, 20% he'd regress significantly and 5% he'd regress out of baseball. Most people had him regressing as some. He had already regressed a little by thr end of the year. So me had him just as good, some had him significantly worse. Given a short rental, the only way to improve value was to repeat or better and consensus was that wasnt likely to happen. So, he was going to have to go against history for his type of situation. If they were playing to win, then perhaps you risk that. But the goal really is the have a better team/organization in place for 2026 and beyond.

No matter how you slice it most thought it was a pretty risky gamble to hold on to get more value. It not only blew up on the team it reaffirmed their view of Mo and how they see him and the team under him.