kscardsfan wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 10:30 am
Tommy Pham - Randall Grichuk. Similar players. Is Grichuk a cancer?
Well he’s been on 4 teams in 3 years and is not a reliever.
So he’s a cancer in Old Friends book
You’re special.
Disingenuous… pretending you don’t read… or know that Grichuk got a 5 year deal.
Carry on
Yeah, but in your book, he’s been a cancer the last three years or so…
You can pretend they’re the same if you want. That’s a choice you’re making.
Hey AOF! I found another cancer!
Paul DeJong! 6 teams in 3 years. And he’s not a reliever so it checks out!
You’re like a bulldog only much dumber when it comes to your hero Pham.
Neither Grichuk, DeJong, or any others mentioned in your steadfast defense of Pham have:
Slapped a teammate.
Mimed jerking off to a fan.
Started shadow boxing like an idiot on the field.
kscardsfan wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 10:30 am
Tommy Pham - Randall Grichuk. Similar players. Is Grichuk a cancer?
Randal Grichuk got a 5 year deal.
They are not similar players in terms of of where they were age wise when it came time for extensions or free agency. Grichuk was 27 when the Jays gave him that deal. Pham didn’t hit FA until he was 33, and age and his eye condition had to be major factors in why he never scored a long term deal… more so than his attitude, I’m sure.
The relief pitcher comp isn’t bad, considering where Pham has been in age and long-term viability over the last few years. Most competitive teams have younger players that they hope will be in their long term plans to start the season… not the type they want to block w/ a vet in his 30s. So it’s no mystery why teams gravitate towards guys like Pham when their prospects can’t cut it, or they want to add a bat for the stretch drive.
Plenty of guys with shitbucket attitudes get long-term contracts… because they’re younger and do not have degenerative eye conditions.
And don’t get stabbed… and in fights at strip clubs causing them to get stabbed again… and don’t slap players on the field over fantasy football… or feign JOing on the field at a fan.
But I digress.
You seriously think that’s a major factor in why Pham didn’t get a long term deal?
His on field scuffles were not common in his earlier years, so teams must have avoided him because he got stabbed?
Long term? I don’t consider a 2-3 year deal long term, and he didn’t get those, either. No one wanted to keep him around.
And they’re not gonna ish talk him because he’s a loose cannon and would probably stab them at some point. If you see a fire, you don’t throw gasoline on it to make it worse
So… at what time do you think he would have been extended, were it not for his attitude?
kscardsfan wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 10:30 am
Tommy Pham - Randall Grichuk. Similar players. Is Grichuk a cancer?
Randal Grichuk got a 5 year deal.
They are not similar players in terms of of where they were age wise when it came time for extensions or free agency. Grichuk was 27 when the Jays gave him that deal. Pham didn’t hit FA until he was 33, and age and his eye condition had to be major factors in why he never scored a long term deal… more so than his attitude, I’m sure.
The relief pitcher comp isn’t bad, considering where Pham has been in age and long-term viability over the last few years. Most competitive teams have younger players that they hope will be in their long term plans to start the season… not the type they want to block w/ a vet in his 30s. So it’s no mystery why teams gravitate towards guys like Pham when their prospects can’t cut it, or they want to add a bat for the stretch drive.
Plenty of guys with shitbucket attitudes get long-term contracts… because they’re younger and do not have degenerative eye conditions.
And don’t get stabbed… and in fights at strip clubs causing them to get stabbed again… and don’t slap players on the field over fantasy football… or feign JOing on the field at a fan.
But I digress.
You seriously think that’s a major factor in why Pham didn’t get a long term deal?
His on field scuffles were not common in his earlier years, so teams must have avoided him because he got stabbed?
Long term? I don’t consider a 2-3 year deal long term, and he didn’t get those, either. No one wanted to keep him around.
And they’re not gonna ish talk him because he’s a loose cannon and would probably stab them at some point. If you see a fire, you don’t throw gasoline on it to make it worse
Brad Miller is another who signed a bunch of one year deals with different teams. It’s not uncommon.
Miller, Grichuk, DeJong, Pham, etc.
Players who are good enough to earn a contract, but not good enough for a multi year deal.
kscardsfan wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 10:30 am
Tommy Pham - Randall Grichuk. Similar players. Is Grichuk a cancer?
Randal Grichuk got a 5 year deal.
They are not similar players in terms of of where they were age wise when it came time for extensions or free agency. Grichuk was 27 when the Jays gave him that deal. Pham didn’t hit FA until he was 33, and age and his eye condition had to be major factors in why he never scored a long term deal… more so than his attitude, I’m sure.
The relief pitcher comp isn’t bad, considering where Pham has been in age and long-term viability over the last few years. Most competitive teams have younger players that they hope will be in their long term plans to start the season… not the type they want to block w/ a vet in his 30s. So it’s no mystery why teams gravitate towards guys like Pham when their prospects can’t cut it, or they want to add a bat for the stretch drive.
Plenty of guys with shitbucket attitudes get long-term contracts… because they’re younger and do not have degenerative eye conditions.
And don’t get stabbed… and in fights at strip clubs causing them to get stabbed again… and don’t slap players on the field over fantasy football… or feign JOing on the field at a fan.
But I digress.
You seriously think that’s a major factor in why Pham didn’t get a long term deal?
His on field scuffles were not common in his earlier years, so teams must have avoided him because he got stabbed?
Long term? I don’t consider a 2-3 year deal long term, and he didn’t get those, either. No one wanted to keep him around.
And they’re not gonna ish talk him because he’s a loose cannon and would probably stab them at some point. If you see a fire, you don’t throw gasoline on it to make it worse
Brad Miller is another who signed a bunch of one year deals with different teams. It’s not uncommon.
Miller, Grichuk, DeJong, Pham, etc.
Players who are good enough to earn a contract, but not good enough for a multi year deal.
It’s common.
Keep learning.
It’s pretty (bleep) funny, honestly, that you just named 4 players and all of them but Pham had multi year deals in their career. Hell, you’ve droned on for years about DeJong’s! And now you pretend you don’t even remember it?
Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:09 pm
Tyler Heineman’s journey through the majors/minors…
Houston
Milwaukee
Arizona
Miami
San Francisco
St. Louis
Philadelphia
Toronto (2x)
Pittsburgh (2x)
Boston
All that, and he’s 3.5 years younger than Tommy Pham?
WHAT’S WRONG WITH TYLER HEINEMAN?!?!?
He’s not ever been good enough to stay. Pham is immensely better and more valuable.
Gee, I didn’t realize that.
Then why the comp?
Honestly, this is an odd crusade for you. I don’t know why some seem so offended by the notion that Tommy Pham is a hot head and an assshole. He demonstrates it all of the time.
Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:09 pm
Tyler Heineman’s journey through the majors/minors…
Houston
Milwaukee
Arizona
Miami
San Francisco
St. Louis
Philadelphia
Toronto (2x)
Pittsburgh (2x)
Boston
All that, and he’s 3.5 years younger than Tommy Pham?
WHAT’S WRONG WITH TYLER HEINEMAN?!?!?
He’s not ever been good enough to stay. Pham is immensely better and more valuable.
Gee, I didn’t realize that.
Then why the comp?
Honestly, this is an odd crusade for you. I don’t know why some seem so offended by the notion that Tommy Pham is a hot head and an assshole. He demonstrates it all of the time.
Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:09 pm
Tyler Heineman’s journey through the majors/minors…
Houston
Milwaukee
Arizona
Miami
San Francisco
St. Louis
Philadelphia
Toronto (2x)
Pittsburgh (2x)
Boston
All that, and he’s 3.5 years younger than Tommy Pham?
WHAT’S WRONG WITH TYLER HEINEMAN?!?!?
He’s not ever been good enough to stay. Pham is immensely better and more valuable.
Gee, I didn’t realize that.
Then why the comp?
Honestly, this is an odd crusade for you. I don’t know why some seem so offended by the notion that Tommy Pham is a hot head and an assshole. He demonstrates it all of the time.
It wasn’t a comp. Just a funny observation, or so I thought.
It’s also not a crusade. Tommy Pham is definitely a hot head, and possibly an (donkey)(pit) - where have I suggested otherwise?
The only thing I’ve disagreed with is the assertion that he hasn’t signed a long-term contract because he’s a hot head or an (donkey)(pit). He hasn’t signed a long-term contract because he was 33 when he hit FA, and didn’t get an extension b/c the Cardinals had long term plans for other players. You’re twisting things to fit your agenda, and it’s annoying.
You should also consider the possibility that he’s tried to maximize his annual salary. Your boy Trevor Bauer said a few things about that. Reggie Sanders played for 7 teams in 9 years after he went to FA for exactly that reason.
Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:09 pm
Tyler Heineman’s journey through the majors/minors…
Houston
Milwaukee
Arizona
Miami
San Francisco
St. Louis
Philadelphia
Toronto (2x)
Pittsburgh (2x)
Boston
All that, and he’s 3.5 years younger than Tommy Pham?
WHAT’S WRONG WITH TYLER HEINEMAN?!?!?
He’s not ever been good enough to stay. Pham is immensely better and more valuable.
Gee, I didn’t realize that.
Then why the comp?
Honestly, this is an odd crusade for you. I don’t know why some seem so offended by the notion that Tommy Pham is a hot head and an assshole. He demonstrates it all of the time.
It wasn’t a comp. Just a funny observation, or so I thought.
It’s also not a crusade. Tommy Pham is definitely a hot head, and possibly an (donkey)(pit) - where have I suggested otherwise?
The only thing I’ve disagreed with is the assertion that he hasn’t signed a long-term contract because he’s a hot head or an (donkey)(pit). He hasn’t signed a long-term contract because he was 33 when he hit FA, and didn’t get an extension b/c the Cardinals had long term plans for other players. You’re twisting things to fit your agenda, and it’s annoying.
I also posted this on page 1: Pham has 4.9 bWar since the start of 2020 (6 seasons), and his NYM stop in 2023 was the only place he posted a OPS+ above 103. Most of his value came between 2017-19. How does his suckitude since then escape the conversation? He's not immensely better or more valuable than very many players at all.
You could say he's continued to get jobs despite both his attitude and his performance. In that light, maybe it's the attitude (or at least the sonetimes good reputation he gets from the few bits of praise he gets sparsed throughout the league) that continues to get him roster spots.
Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:09 pm
Tyler Heineman’s journey through the majors/minors…
Houston
Milwaukee
Arizona
Miami
San Francisco
St. Louis
Philadelphia
Toronto (2x)
Pittsburgh (2x)
Boston
All that, and he’s 3.5 years younger than Tommy Pham?
WHAT’S WRONG WITH TYLER HEINEMAN?!?!?
He’s not ever been good enough to stay. Pham is immensely better and more valuable.
Gee, I didn’t realize that.
Then why the comp?
Honestly, this is an odd crusade for you. I don’t know why some seem so offended by the notion that Tommy Pham is a hot head and an assshole. He demonstrates it all of the time.
Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:09 pm
Tyler Heineman’s journey through the majors/minors…
Houston
Milwaukee
Arizona
Miami
San Francisco
St. Louis
Philadelphia
Toronto (2x)
Pittsburgh (2x)
Boston
All that, and he’s 3.5 years younger than Tommy Pham?
WHAT’S WRONG WITH TYLER HEINEMAN?!?!?
He’s not ever been good enough to stay. Pham is immensely better and more valuable.
Gee, I didn’t realize that.
Then why the comp?
Honestly, this is an odd crusade for you. I don’t know why some seem so offended by the notion that Tommy Pham is a hot head and an assshole. He demonstrates it all of the time.
How would you compare Pham vs Ron Artest
Similarly although Artest was better at his sport
Definitely, and outside of wanting to take time off for his rap album Artest might have been a better teammate. Or atleast, he made efforts to evolve during his career as a good teammate. Is that accurate.
Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:09 pm
Tyler Heineman’s journey through the majors/minors…
Houston
Milwaukee
Arizona
Miami
San Francisco
St. Louis
Philadelphia
Toronto (2x)
Pittsburgh (2x)
Boston
All that, and he’s 3.5 years younger than Tommy Pham?
WHAT’S WRONG WITH TYLER HEINEMAN?!?!?
He’s not ever been good enough to stay. Pham is immensely better and more valuable.
Gee, I didn’t realize that.
Then why the comp?
Honestly, this is an odd crusade for you. I don’t know why some seem so offended by the notion that Tommy Pham is a hot head and an assshole. He demonstrates it all of the time.
It wasn’t a comp. Just a funny observation, or so I thought.
It’s also not a crusade. Tommy Pham is definitely a hot head, and possibly an (donkey)(pit) - where have I suggested otherwise?
The only thing I’ve disagreed with is the assertion that he hasn’t signed a long-term contract because he’s a hot head or an (donkey)(pit). He hasn’t signed a long-term contract because he was 33 when he hit FA, and didn’t get an extension b/c the Cardinals had long term plans for other players. You’re twisting things to fit your agenda, and it’s annoying.
You should also consider the possibility that he’s tried to maximize his annual salary. Your boy Trevor Bauer said a few things about that. Reggie Sanders played for 7 teams in 9 years after he went to FA for exactly that reason.
Fair points. I think that if he wasn’t such a jagoff, one of his teams at some point would have tried to keep him around.
Bauer did say that, and was true to it. And maybe Pham just wanted to keep betting on himself.
It’s difficult to ignore the idea that he isn’t all that fun to have around.
An Old Friend wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 13:27 pm
His mom was 17 when he was born and didn't finish high school
His dad was 19 and incarcerated when he was born
Pham's stepfather stabbed him during a fight
Just stop the post right there. Open ended question: how would you overcome that type of upbringing? You can try to answer the question at face value. You look around a field at kids who came from these richy rich select ball leagues. Their parents drove them around in fancy travelalls with iPads fixed to the dash, and made rude entitled demands to the hotel employees wherever they stay (you know the types). Remember when pham said in a post-game interview he didn't have anyone to play catch with growing up.
A guy like Pham is going to standout as different from his teammates. But he's not going to have time to stop and explain to each and every person what he's been through. I think at that age, it would be hard to expect Pham himself to even fully understand his own childhood through his own eyes, or what it is he's missing. He's not gonna be going to therapy at that point. All he knows is to leave it all out on the field with a chip on his shoulder.
Not trying to justify everything pham did but it makes total sense. Truly, nobody believed in him. It's hard not to project that onto the rest of the world when it's all you know, giving that chip on shoulder. We can say that every MLB player has defied odds just by getting to the big leagues. But it is worth noting that very few of them had to overcome the specific challenges Pham did. By the rest of your post and your failure to connect his childhood to his later actions, you seem like the type of person who would like to see a social credit score in the US.
Yeah, pham has some work to do getting to a point of acceptance and hopefully the end of his playing days will give him the time and space to put focus on that.
Was he not drafted? Was he not taught the game of baseball? I'm sure there were people who believed in him.
At some point you have to grow up, despite your upbringing. You have to rise above it. He is a bigtime punk and thug and was ungrateful specifically of the Cardinals when he was here the first time. Mouthing a franchise that drafted you, BELIEVED in you, and paid you a fortune, setting you up for life is not a good look. Bottom line, he is a punk.
A person with the type of upbringing isn't going to come with a set of switches he can just manually flip in order to rise above it. He did get paid $325,000 at his draft, pretty high for a 16th round pick. But I imagine by the time he gets to 2013 or 2014, that check he got in 2006 is starting to become pretty distant in the rearview mirror. Anybody who gets drafted and begins professional baseball is doing so because they want to make the big leagues. Something tells me teams have more resources in place nowadays to help people like this.
Dude has made over $40M in his baseball career to date. Imagine how ungrateful you have to be to act the way he does. 100% PUNK!!!!
kscardsfan wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 10:30 am
Tommy Pham - Randall Grichuk. Similar players. Is Grichuk a cancer?
Randal Grichuk got a 5 year deal.
They are not similar players in terms of of where they were age wise when it came time for extensions or free agency. Grichuk was 27 when the Jays gave him that deal. Pham didn’t hit FA until he was 33, and age and his eye condition had to be major factors in why he never scored a long term deal… more so than his attitude, I’m sure.
The relief pitcher comp isn’t bad, considering where Pham has been in age and long-term viability over the last few years. Most competitive teams have younger players that they hope will be in their long term plans to start the season… not the type they want to block w/ a vet in his 30s. So it’s no mystery why teams gravitate towards guys like Pham when their prospects can’t cut it, or they want to add a bat for the stretch drive.
Plenty of guys with shitbucket attitudes get long-term contracts… because they’re younger and do not have degenerative eye conditions.
And don’t get stabbed… and in fights at strip clubs causing them to get stabbed again… and don’t slap players on the field over fantasy football… or feign JOing on the field at a fan.
But I digress.
You seriously think that’s a major factor in why Pham didn’t get a long term deal?
His on field scuffles were not common in his earlier years, so teams must have avoided him because he got stabbed?
Teams don't typically want guys who get stabbed in altercstions at strip clubs on long term deals.
