All things considered, it's kind of nuts this team is only a game under .500

[ecleme22]

Obviously, this team hasn't been fun to watch the last 2+ months, but when you look at everything, it's kind of nuts this team is still kicking around .500.

Let me list a few things we all know:
1. Team didn't spend in the offseason, only grabbing Maton.
2. Herrera injured for a while, moved to DH. Pages had to take over the majority of work.
3. Donovan: Good, but is injured. And really, he's just around .750 OPS
4. Nootbar: Has had injuries. Has had an okay season.
5. Arenado: Bad season. Now injured.
6. Gorman: Not a very good season, has only done well of late.
7. Walker: Bad season.
8. Scott: Has shown promise, but not good on offense.
9: Fedde: Imploded
10. Miko: Imploded
11. Pallante: Imploded
12. Gray: Our 'ace' has had a good season for a 4th starter.
13. Libby: Pretty good, but has had bumps.
14. Helsley: Very hittable
15. Saggese: Not great
16. Baker: Forgettable
17. King: No good
18: Fernandez: Imploded
19. Graceffo: Not good
20. Sellers at the deadline.

Bright spots: WC, AB, MW, Matz, Maton, Romero, Leahy, Svanson, O'Brien. Donovan has been a modest bright spot, but I noted the injury above and modest OPS.


Crazy that this team is 64-65.

My point: I really don't think we will need to wait 2-3 years to get back to being good. If Bloom spends modestly this offseason, the turnaround can be significant. If the above puts us near .500, then there are parts of this team that are really strong. Just add some players in 2026, promote JJ, etc.

[Ozziesfan41]

Obviously, this team hasn't been fun to watch the last 2+ months, but when you look at everything, it's kind of nuts this team is still kicking around .500.

Let me list a few things we all know:
1. Team didn't spend in the offseason, only grabbing Maton.
2. Herrera injured for a while, moved to DH. Pages had to take over the majority of work.
3. Donovan: Good, but is injured. And really, he's just around .750 OPS
4. Nootbar: Has had injuries. Has had an okay season.
5. Arenado: Bad season. Now injured.
6. Gorman: Not a very good season, has only done well of late.
7. Walker: Bad season.
8. Scott: Has shown promise, but not good on offense.
9: Fedde: Imploded
10. Miko: Imploded
11. Pallante: Imploded
12. Gray: Our 'ace' has had a good season for a 4th starter.
13. Libby: Pretty good, but has had bumps.
14. Helsley: Very hittable
15. Saggese: Not great
16. Baker: Forgettable
17. King: No good
18: Fernandez: Imploded
19. Graceffo: Not good
20. Sellers at the deadline.

Bright spots: WC, AB, MW, Matz, Maton, Romero, Leahy, Svanson, O'Brien. Donovan has been a modest bright spot, but I noted the injury above and modest OPS.


Crazy that this team is 64-65.

My point: I really don't think we will need to wait 2-3 years to get back to being good. If Bloom spends modestly this offseason, the turnaround can be significant. If the above puts us near .500, then there are parts of this team that are really strong. Just add some players in 2026, promote JJ, etc.

I disagree. This season this team is where it is and not in a 2023 level of awful because of the 19-8 magical may in which all the awful pitchers mikolas and fedde pitched fantastic and pallante was decent. It was never going to last I tried to tell people that when they were saying it was a 90-94 win team in may the rotation was never going to continue to pitch that well and it didn’t. You can’t count on a bad rotation collectively having an insanely great month to keep the team afloat. It’s going to come down to what bloom is able to do with the rotation in the offseason.

[ecleme22]

Obviously, this team hasn't been fun to watch the last 2+ months, but when you look at everything, it's kind of nuts this team is still kicking around .500.

Let me list a few things we all know:
1. Team didn't spend in the offseason, only grabbing Maton.
2. Herrera injured for a while, moved to DH. Pages had to take over the majority of work.
3. Donovan: Good, but is injured. And really, he's just around .750 OPS
4. Nootbar: Has had injuries. Has had an okay season.
5. Arenado: Bad season. Now injured.
6. Gorman: Not a very good season, has only done well of late.
7. Walker: Bad season.
8. Scott: Has shown promise, but not good on offense.
9: Fedde: Imploded
10. Miko: Imploded
11. Pallante: Imploded
12. Gray: Our 'ace' has had a good season for a 4th starter.
13. Libby: Pretty good, but has had bumps.
14. Helsley: Very hittable
15. Saggese: Not great
16. Baker: Forgettable
17. King: No good
18: Fernandez: Imploded
19. Graceffo: Not good
20. Sellers at the deadline.

Bright spots: WC, AB, MW, Matz, Maton, Romero, Leahy, Svanson, O'Brien. Donovan has been a modest bright spot, but I noted the injury above and modest OPS.


Crazy that this team is 64-65.

My point: I really don't think we will need to wait 2-3 years to get back to being good. If Bloom spends modestly this offseason, the turnaround can be significant. If the above puts us near .500, then there are parts of this team that are really strong. Just add some players in 2026, promote JJ, etc.

I disagree. This season this team is where it is and not in a 2023 level of awful because of the 19-8 magical may in which all the awful pitchers mikolas and fedde pitched fantastic and pallante was decent. It was never going to last I tried to tell people that when they were saying it was a 90-94 win team in may the rotation was never going to continue to pitch that well and it didn’t. You can’t count on a bad rotation collectively having an insanely great month to keep the team afloat. It’s going to come down to what bloom is able to do with the rotation in the offseason.

I just mean, collectively, it is crazy this team is still .500ish. Bad offense, bad starters, etc.

You remove Miko and Arenado, add some modest starters and maybe an OFer, this team can actually be good in 2026.

[OldRed]

Only a game under .500 on 8-22-25. What a loser attitude.

[ecleme22]

Only a game under .500 on 8-22-25. What a loser attitude.

Pretty good with all the stuff I mentioned.

[Hoosier59]

Without Fedde ( should have traded in the off season ) and Mikolas in the rotation, this team would likely be one of the wild card teams right now. The offense has definitely struggled, and we’ve had some injuries that have really hurt. ( Donovan’s toe has never healed properly and ruined his best season) They really need a clean up hitter, there’s not one on the team currently!

[Cusecards]

Obviously, this team hasn't been fun to watch the last 2+ months, but when you look at everything, it's kind of nuts this team is still kicking around .500.

Let me list a few things we all know:
1. Team didn't spend in the offseason, only grabbing Maton.
2. Herrera injured for a while, moved to DH. Pages had to take over the majority of work.
3. Donovan: Good, but is injured. And really, he's just around .750 OPS
4. Nootbar: Has had injuries. Has had an okay season.
5. Arenado: Bad season. Now injured.
6. Gorman: Not a very good season, has only done well of late.
7. Walker: Bad season.
8. Scott: Has shown promise, but not good on offense.
9: Fedde: Imploded
10. Miko: Imploded
11. Pallante: Imploded
12. Gray: Our 'ace' has had a good season for a 4th starter.
13. Libby: Pretty good, but has had bumps.
14. Helsley: Very hittable
15. Saggese: Not great
16. Baker: Forgettable
17. King: No good
18: Fernandez: Imploded
19. Graceffo: Not good
20. Sellers at the deadline.

Bright spots: WC, AB, MW, Matz, Maton, Romero, Leahy, Svanson, O'Brien. Donovan has been a modest bright spot, but I noted the injury above and modest OPS.


Crazy that this team is 64-65.

My point: I really don't think we will need to wait 2-3 years to get back to being good. If Bloom spends modestly this offseason, the turnaround can be significant. If the above puts us near .500, then there are parts of this team that are really strong. Just add some players in 2026, promote JJ, etc.

Agree!
I chose to be glass half full as opposed to half empty.
Not telling anyone else how to think.
The rotation construction will be the key.
The lineup has potential but they need some guys to stop treading water.
J.J. and Crooks/Bernal on the cusp should be exciting and Baez(Josh the OF) may be breaking out?
The Arenado soap opera will gear up again in November.
Need some young arms to emerge!

[Ozziesfan41]

Obviously, this team hasn't been fun to watch the last 2+ months, but when you look at everything, it's kind of nuts this team is still kicking around .500.

Let me list a few things we all know:
1. Team didn't spend in the offseason, only grabbing Maton.
2. Herrera injured for a while, moved to DH. Pages had to take over the majority of work.
3. Donovan: Good, but is injured. And really, he's just around .750 OPS
4. Nootbar: Has had injuries. Has had an okay season.
5. Arenado: Bad season. Now injured.
6. Gorman: Not a very good season, has only done well of late.
7. Walker: Bad season.
8. Scott: Has shown promise, but not good on offense.
9: Fedde: Imploded
10. Miko: Imploded
11. Pallante: Imploded
12. Gray: Our 'ace' has had a good season for a 4th starter.
13. Libby: Pretty good, but has had bumps.
14. Helsley: Very hittable
15. Saggese: Not great
16. Baker: Forgettable
17. King: No good
18: Fernandez: Imploded
19. Graceffo: Not good
20. Sellers at the deadline.

Bright spots: WC, AB, MW, Matz, Maton, Romero, Leahy, Svanson, O'Brien. Donovan has been a modest bright spot, but I noted the injury above and modest OPS.


Crazy that this team is 64-65.

My point: I really don't think we will need to wait 2-3 years to get back to being good. If Bloom spends modestly this offseason, the turnaround can be significant. If the above puts us near .500, then there are parts of this team that are really strong. Just add some players in 2026, promote JJ, etc.

I disagree. This season this team is where it is and not in a 2023 level of awful because of the 19-8 magical may in which all the awful pitchers mikolas and fedde pitched fantastic and pallante was decent. It was never going to last I tried to tell people that when they were saying it was a 90-94 win team in may the rotation was never going to continue to pitch that well and it didn’t. You can’t count on a bad rotation collectively having an insanely great month to keep the team afloat. It’s going to come down to what bloom is able to do with the rotation in the offseason.

I just mean, collectively, it is crazy this team is still .500ish. Bad offense, bad starters, etc.

You remove Miko and Arenado, add some modest starters and maybe an OFer, this team can actually be good in 2026.

That I agree with it is crazy they had the miracle may but like I said we don’t know what the cardinals can be next season because the rotation is going to be different. If they gray will probably be a little worse liebertore will be a little better he won’t be smoked from mo screwing him over in his development so I think he will be better because he will be able to go deeper into the season with his good stuff. I think it’s going to come down to what he does with the last rotation spot and what he does with the lineup. The lineup needs a guy in the middle of the order not JAG I like Contreras but he’s not a cleanup hitter he’s a 6 in a good lineup and a 5 in a meh lineup. If they go in with Gorman playing third and being in a middle of the order bat they are screwed

[ecleme22]

Obviously, this team hasn't been fun to watch the last 2+ months, but when you look at everything, it's kind of nuts this team is still kicking around .500.

Let me list a few things we all know:
1. Team didn't spend in the offseason, only grabbing Maton.
2. Herrera injured for a while, moved to DH. Pages had to take over the majority of work.
3. Donovan: Good, but is injured. And really, he's just around .750 OPS
4. Nootbar: Has had injuries. Has had an okay season.
5. Arenado: Bad season. Now injured.
6. Gorman: Not a very good season, has only done well of late.
7. Walker: Bad season.
8. Scott: Has shown promise, but not good on offense.
9: Fedde: Imploded
10. Miko: Imploded
11. Pallante: Imploded
12. Gray: Our 'ace' has had a good season for a 4th starter.
13. Libby: Pretty good, but has had bumps.
14. Helsley: Very hittable
15. Saggese: Not great
16. Baker: Forgettable
17. King: No good
18: Fernandez: Imploded
19. Graceffo: Not good
20. Sellers at the deadline.

Bright spots: WC, AB, MW, Matz, Maton, Romero, Leahy, Svanson, O'Brien. Donovan has been a modest bright spot, but I noted the injury above and modest OPS.


Crazy that this team is 64-65.

My point: I really don't think we will need to wait 2-3 years to get back to being good. If Bloom spends modestly this offseason, the turnaround can be significant. If the above puts us near .500, then there are parts of this team that are really strong. Just add some players in 2026, promote JJ, etc.

I disagree. This season this team is where it is and not in a 2023 level of awful because of the 19-8 magical may in which all the awful pitchers mikolas and fedde pitched fantastic and pallante was decent. It was never going to last I tried to tell people that when they were saying it was a 90-94 win team in may the rotation was never going to continue to pitch that well and it didn’t. You can’t count on a bad rotation collectively having an insanely great month to keep the team afloat. It’s going to come down to what bloom is able to do with the rotation in the offseason.

I just mean, collectively, it is crazy this team is still .500ish. Bad offense, bad starters, etc.

You remove Miko and Arenado, add some modest starters and maybe an OFer, this team can actually be good in 2026.

That I agree with it is crazy they had the miracle may but like I said we don’t know what the cardinals can be next season because the rotation is going to be different. If they gray will probably be a little worse liebertore will be a little better he won’t be smoked from mo screwing him over in his development so I think he will be better because he will be able to go deeper into the season with his good stuff. I think it’s going to come down to what he does with the last rotation spot and what he does with the lineup. The lineup needs a guy in the middle of the order not JAG I like Contreras but he’s not a cleanup hitter he’s a 6 in a good lineup and a 5 in a meh lineup. If they go in with Gorman playing third and being in a middle of the order bat they are screwed

WC is probably 3, 5 or 6.

He’s has like an .860 ops since mid April.

For 2026, they don’t have to salve everything. Get rid of Arenado and Miko, add 1-2 starters. I think the team could surprise

[TXCardsFanX]

Agree with the OP.
The Cardinals at least made it fun for the first couple of months.
I'm more disappointed in their play recently. They've lost the edge, IMO. They used to grind ABs more, top to bottom.
I'm excited for 2026, but it will likely also be a "building" year.

[cardstatman]

The Cards have been incredibly healthy in 2025, especially on the pitching side.

Here's a full list of pitchers who have gone to the IL.this season...

John King - once - left oblique strain

Quite a few fans have gone ILL while watching the starting pitching, but none of them have gone to the IL.

[DickyBennett]

They overachieved for 3 months topping out at 47-38-June 29

Then reality set in for last 2 months 17-28

But their run differential -27 leads to 62-68 Pythagorean record

I thought it was a 72-74 win team at best

Devoid of talent compared to upper echelon teams

[icon]

2 under .500.

4-4 in 8 recent games vs. the Rockies, Marlins and Rays.

32 games left -- 18 against teams over .500.

In the final 27 games, 18 against teams over .500.

[Red Bird Classic]

Obviously, this team hasn't been fun to watch the last 2+ months, but when you look at everything, it's kind of nuts this team is still kicking around .500.

Let me list a few things we all know:
1. Team didn't spend in the offseason, only grabbing Maton.
2. Herrera injured for a while, moved to DH. Pages had to take over the majority of work.
3. Donovan: Good, but is injured. And really, he's just around .750 OPS
4. Nootbar: Has had injuries. Has had an okay season.
5. Arenado: Bad season. Now injured.
6. Gorman: Not a very good season, has only done well of late.
7. Walker: Bad season.
8. Scott: Has shown promise, but not good on offense.
9: Fedde: Imploded
10. Miko: Imploded
11. Pallante: Imploded
12. Gray: Our 'ace' has had a good season for a 4th starter.
13. Libby: Pretty good, but has had bumps.
14. Helsley: Very hittable
15. Saggese: Not great
16. Baker: Forgettable
17. King: No good
18: Fernandez: Imploded
19. Graceffo: Not good
20. Sellers at the deadline.

Bright spots: WC, AB, MW, Matz, Maton, Romero, Leahy, Svanson, O'Brien. Donovan has been a modest bright spot, but I noted the injury above and modest OPS.


Crazy that this team is 64-65.

My point: I really don't think we will need to wait 2-3 years to get back to being good. If Bloom spends modestly this offseason, the turnaround can be significant. If the above puts us near .500, then there are parts of this team that are really strong. Just add some players in 2026, promote JJ, etc.

I disagree. This season this team is where it is and not in a 2023 level of awful because of the 19-8 magical may in which all the awful pitchers mikolas and fedde pitched fantastic and pallante was decent. It was never going to last I tried to tell people that when they were saying it was a 90-94 win team in may the rotation was never going to continue to pitch that well and it didn’t. You can’t count on a bad rotation collectively having an insanely great month to keep the team afloat. It’s going to come down to what bloom is able to do with the rotation in the offseason.

I just mean, collectively, it is crazy this team is still .500ish. Bad offense, bad starters, etc.

You remove Miko and Arenado, add some modest starters and maybe an OFer, this team can actually be good in 2026.

Modest starters?? This team needs two top-notch starters (and I mean better than Gray) one power hitting corner outfielder, and a closer to be a true contender in 2026.

Ain't happening. So I expect next years team to be a lot like this years team, but with a few new faces.

We have to hope some of the kids develop into stars, and the team can add a couple free agents before the 2027 season. (If there is a 27 season.) That could be a good team, but we have to wait and see.

[ecleme22]

Obviously, this team hasn't been fun to watch the last 2+ months, but when you look at everything, it's kind of nuts this team is still kicking around .500.

Let me list a few things we all know:
1. Team didn't spend in the offseason, only grabbing Maton.
2. Herrera injured for a while, moved to DH. Pages had to take over the majority of work.
3. Donovan: Good, but is injured. And really, he's just around .750 OPS
4. Nootbar: Has had injuries. Has had an okay season.
5. Arenado: Bad season. Now injured.
6. Gorman: Not a very good season, has only done well of late.
7. Walker: Bad season.
8. Scott: Has shown promise, but not good on offense.
9: Fedde: Imploded
10. Miko: Imploded
11. Pallante: Imploded
12. Gray: Our 'ace' has had a good season for a 4th starter.
13. Libby: Pretty good, but has had bumps.
14. Helsley: Very hittable
15. Saggese: Not great
16. Baker: Forgettable
17. King: No good
18: Fernandez: Imploded
19. Graceffo: Not good
20. Sellers at the deadline.

Bright spots: WC, AB, MW, Matz, Maton, Romero, Leahy, Svanson, O'Brien. Donovan has been a modest bright spot, but I noted the injury above and modest OPS.


Crazy that this team is 64-65.

My point: I really don't think we will need to wait 2-3 years to get back to being good. If Bloom spends modestly this offseason, the turnaround can be significant. If the above puts us near .500, then there are parts of this team that are really strong. Just add some players in 2026, promote JJ, etc.

I disagree. This season this team is where it is and not in a 2023 level of awful because of the 19-8 magical may in which all the awful pitchers mikolas and fedde pitched fantastic and pallante was decent. It was never going to last I tried to tell people that when they were saying it was a 90-94 win team in may the rotation was never going to continue to pitch that well and it didn’t. You can’t count on a bad rotation collectively having an insanely great month to keep the team afloat. It’s going to come down to what bloom is able to do with the rotation in the offseason.

I just mean, collectively, it is crazy this team is still .500ish. Bad offense, bad starters, etc.

You remove Miko and Arenado, add some modest starters and maybe an OFer, this team can actually be good in 2026.

Modest starters?? This team needs two top-notch starters (and I mean better than Gray) one power hitting corner outfielder, and a closer to be a true contender in 2026.

Ain't happening. So I expect next years team to be a lot like this years team, but with a few new faces.

We have to hope some of the kids develop into stars, and the team can add a couple free agents before the 2027 season. (If there is a 27 season.) That could be a good team, but we have to wait and see.

The team had bad starting this season, and our 64-66.

McGreevy and Libby a year older. Add two dependable starters. The team could be at least 70-60 this time next year. And that's just two starters, not counting other additions.

[Red Bird Classic]

Obviously, this team hasn't been fun to watch the last 2+ months, but when you look at everything, it's kind of nuts this team is still kicking around .500.

Let me list a few things we all know:
1. Team didn't spend in the offseason, only grabbing Maton.
2. Herrera injured for a while, moved to DH. Pages had to take over the majority of work.
3. Donovan: Good, but is injured. And really, he's just around .750 OPS
4. Nootbar: Has had injuries. Has had an okay season.
5. Arenado: Bad season. Now injured.
6. Gorman: Not a very good season, has only done well of late.
7. Walker: Bad season.
8. Scott: Has shown promise, but not good on offense.
9: Fedde: Imploded
10. Miko: Imploded
11. Pallante: Imploded
12. Gray: Our 'ace' has had a good season for a 4th starter.
13. Libby: Pretty good, but has had bumps.
14. Helsley: Very hittable
15. Saggese: Not great
16. Baker: Forgettable
17. King: No good
18: Fernandez: Imploded
19. Graceffo: Not good
20. Sellers at the deadline.

Bright spots: WC, AB, MW, Matz, Maton, Romero, Leahy, Svanson, O'Brien. Donovan has been a modest bright spot, but I noted the injury above and modest OPS.


Crazy that this team is 64-65.

My point: I really don't think we will need to wait 2-3 years to get back to being good. If Bloom spends modestly this offseason, the turnaround can be significant. If the above puts us near .500, then there are parts of this team that are really strong. Just add some players in 2026, promote JJ, etc.

I disagree. This season this team is where it is and not in a 2023 level of awful because of the 19-8 magical may in which all the awful pitchers mikolas and fedde pitched fantastic and pallante was decent. It was never going to last I tried to tell people that when they were saying it was a 90-94 win team in may the rotation was never going to continue to pitch that well and it didn’t. You can’t count on a bad rotation collectively having an insanely great month to keep the team afloat. It’s going to come down to what bloom is able to do with the rotation in the offseason.

I just mean, collectively, it is crazy this team is still .500ish. Bad offense, bad starters, etc.

You remove Miko and Arenado, add some modest starters and maybe an OFer, this team can actually be good in 2026.

Modest starters?? This team needs two top-notch starters (and I mean better than Gray) one power hitting corner outfielder, and a closer to be a true contender in 2026.

Ain't happening. So I expect next years team to be a lot like this years team, but with a few new faces.

We have to hope some of the kids develop into stars, and the team can add a couple free agents before the 2027 season. (If there is a 27 season.) That could be a good team, but we have to wait and see.

The team had bad starting this season, and our 64-66. 32 10-22 12-20, 14-18.

McGreevy and Libby a year older. Add two dependable starters. The team could be at least 70-60 this time next year. And that's just two starters, not counting other additions.

They're not as good as their record suggests.

Including an improbable 19-6 stretch in may, the team was 51-46 at the break, but they're 13-20 since. And team will have to go 14-18 the rest of the way to win 78 games. I don't think they'll do even that well.

IMO: They'll need a lot more than improvement from Libby and McGreevy to win 87 games in 2026.