What is wrong with Tommy Pham?

[ecleme22]

He sounds like a good guy from the Rosenthal article.

He does. Don’t know what to tell you.

There are his teammates and GMs that continue to sign him.

And then there’s you and shakey…

[sdaltons]

AOF apparently knows more than Ken Rosenthal. But also needs AI to make things easier for him to read.

[WLTFE]

Maton...5 teams in last 3 seasons

[Ozziesfan41]

He sounds like a good guy from the Rosenthal article.

He does. Don’t know what to tell you.

There are his teammates and GMs that continue to sign him.

And then there’s you and shakey…

Even Mo brought him back a second time so no way would Mo have brought him back again if he was a cancer and problem in the clubhouse

[ShakeyWalton]

He sounds like a good guy from the Rosenthal article.

He does. Don’t know what to tell you.

There are his teammates and GMs that continue to sign him.

And then there’s you and shakey…

Dude, scroll the comments on the video I linked and tell me what you see.

[ecleme22]

He sounds like a good guy from the Rosenthal article.

He does. Don’t know what to tell you.

There are his teammates and GMs that continue to sign him.

And then there’s you and shakey…

Even Mo brought him back a second time so no way would Mo have brought him back again if he was a cancer and problem in the clubhouse

Good point

[Ozziesfan41]

Maton...5 teams in last 3 seasons

Must be a horrible teammate then.

[imadangman]

His mom was 17 when he was born and didn't finish high school
His dad was 19 and incarcerated when he was born
Pham's stepfather stabbed him during a fight

Just stop the post right there. Open ended question: how would you overcome that type of upbringing? You can try to answer the question at face value. You look around a field at kids who came from these richy rich select ball leagues. Their parents drove them around in fancy travelalls with iPads fixed to the dash, and made rude entitled demands to the hotel employees wherever they stay (you know the types). Remember when pham said in a post-game interview he didn't have anyone to play catch with growing up.

A guy like Pham is going to standout as different from his teammates. But he's not going to have time to stop and explain to each and every person what he's been through. I think at that age, it would be hard to expect Pham himself to even fully understand his own childhood through his own eyes, or what it is he's missing. He's not gonna be going to therapy at that point. All he knows is to leave it all out on the field with a chip on his shoulder.

Not trying to justify everything pham did but it makes total sense. Truly, nobody believed in him. It's hard not to project that onto the rest of the world when it's all you know, giving that chip on shoulder. We can say that every MLB player has defied odds just by getting to the big leagues. But it is worth noting that very few of them had to overcome the specific challenges Pham did. By the rest of your post and your failure to connect his childhood to his later actions, you seem like the type of person who would like to see a social credit score in the US.

Yeah, pham has some work to do getting to a point of acceptance and hopefully the end of his playing days will give him the time and space to put focus on that.

[hmoss859]

Pham is not a bad teammate just an angry man

[Ozziesfan41]

Pham is not a bad teammate just an angry man

Now this I agree with

[ecleme22]

Pham is not a bad teammate just an angry man

Now this I agree with

Angry? No. Short fuse? Sure. Chip on his shoulder? Yep.

Bad teammate? No. Bad teammates aren't traded to contending teams and signed annually to MLB contracts.

Can't remember the rules, but if the Pirates release TP before 9/1, I think he can get picked up by a contender. That would definitely happen if the Pirates do that. Pham has like a .900 OPS the last 3 months.

[Banner29]

Ummm... he's ALWAYS been this guy. Totally unhinged and an asssshole... product of his upbringing.

Talented enough to have a long career.
Too big of a jackwagon for anyone to keep him around for any time whatsoever - he's a cancer.

10 teams in 12 seasons

Kimbrel has been with 9 teams in 11 years. Is he a cancer?
Chris Stratton has been with 7 teams in 8 years. Cancer?

Like the ones above, Tommy's career of late has been 1 year deals, then traded to teams in the playoff hunt who want him.

For cancers, see Puig. He hasn't been in the league in 6 years.

Organizations keep signing Pham. And no, it's not because they know less about his personality than you...

1 year deals and playoff contending teams that use him for a quick playoff push then dispose of him

In other words teams that use him to strengthen their farm sent to teams that don’t appear to want to keep him around for very long.

I can agree he’s not on a Yasiel Puig level of cancer, but clearly his reputation hasn’t outweighed his rather high talent level. Hence why he’s never found a “forever home”

'Dispose' is an inaccurate word. The Cards didn't 'dispose of' Mark DeRosa, nor Quintana.

Not exactly sure where you’re going with this. Derosa was not good for the Cardinals and wasn’t good the rest of his career and I remember a lot of us wanting Quintana back. And the Cardinals at the very least expressed interest in it.

These two don’t really compare

[ecleme22]

Ummm... he's ALWAYS been this guy. Totally unhinged and an asssshole... product of his upbringing.

Talented enough to have a long career.
Too big of a jackwagon for anyone to keep him around for any time whatsoever - he's a cancer.

10 teams in 12 seasons

Kimbrel has been with 9 teams in 11 years. Is he a cancer?
Chris Stratton has been with 7 teams in 8 years. Cancer?

Like the ones above, Tommy's career of late has been 1 year deals, then traded to teams in the playoff hunt who want him.

For cancers, see Puig. He hasn't been in the league in 6 years.

Organizations keep signing Pham. And no, it's not because they know less about his personality than you...

1 year deals and playoff contending teams that use him for a quick playoff push then dispose of him

In other words teams that use him to strengthen their farm sent to teams that don’t appear to want to keep him around for very long.

I can agree he’s not on a Yasiel Puig level of cancer, but clearly his reputation hasn’t outweighed his rather high talent level. Hence why he’s never found a “forever home”

'Dispose' is an inaccurate word. The Cards didn't 'dispose of' Mark DeRosa, nor Quintana.

Not exactly sure where you’re going with this. Derosa was not good for the Cardinals and wasn’t good the rest of his career and I remember a lot of us wanting Quintana back. And the Cardinals at the very least expressed interest in it.

These two don’t really compare

Cards never entertained resigning Q.

Pham being brought in as a rental and then not resigned by the team renting him is very common.

[Banner29]

Ummm... he's ALWAYS been this guy. Totally unhinged and an asssshole... product of his upbringing.

Talented enough to have a long career.
Too big of a jackwagon for anyone to keep him around for any time whatsoever - he's a cancer.

10 teams in 12 seasons

Kimbrel has been with 9 teams in 11 years. Is he a cancer?
Chris Stratton has been with 7 teams in 8 years. Cancer?

Like the ones above, Tommy's career of late has been 1 year deals, then traded to teams in the playoff hunt who want him.

For cancers, see Puig. He hasn't been in the league in 6 years.

Organizations keep signing Pham. And no, it's not because they know less about his personality than you...

1 year deals and playoff contending teams that use him for a quick playoff push then dispose of him

In other words teams that use him to strengthen their farm sent to teams that don’t appear to want to keep him around for very long.

I can agree he’s not on a Yasiel Puig level of cancer, but clearly his reputation hasn’t outweighed his rather high talent level. Hence why he’s never found a “forever home”

'Dispose' is an inaccurate word. The Cards didn't 'dispose of' Mark DeRosa, nor Quintana.

Not exactly sure where you’re going with this. Derosa was not good for the Cardinals and wasn’t good the rest of his career and I remember a lot of us wanting Quintana back. And the Cardinals at the very least expressed interest in it.

These two don’t really compare

Cards never entertained resigning Q.

Pham being brought in as a rental and then not resigned by the team renting him is very common.

Once or maybe even twice sure. But 10 different teams? Not one of them said to themselves “hey we gotta lock this guy up” especially with his skill set. He either signs in the offseason with some scrub team that knows they can use him for prospects or gets traded to contenders that appear to strategically grab him when it’s about time to lock in to playoff baseball. Perhaps to deal with him as little as humanly possible until it’s beneficial. Otherwise why not just sign him in the offseason and have him all year? And why can’t he find himself into a long term deal? I reiterate, with his skill set it shouldn’t be an issue.

I’m not saying he’s a big time cancer. All I’m saying is I’ve never even heard of a teammate or coach to upset about him leaving. Which is odd, considering he has been a pretty solid player

[ShakeyWalton]

Pham is not a bad teammate just an angry man

Now this I agree with

Angry? No. Short fuse? Sure. Chip on his shoulder? Yep.

Bad teammate? No. Bad teammates aren't traded to contending teams and signed annually to MLB contracts.

Can't remember the rules, but if the Pirates release TP before 9/1, I think he can get picked up by a contender. That would definitely happen if the Pirates do that. Pham has like a .900 OPS the last 3 months.

You are effing nuts if you think he’s not an angry man.

[Ozziesfan41]

Ummm... he's ALWAYS been this guy. Totally unhinged and an asssshole... product of his upbringing.

Talented enough to have a long career.
Too big of a jackwagon for anyone to keep him around for any time whatsoever - he's a cancer.

10 teams in 12 seasons

Kimbrel has been with 9 teams in 11 years. Is he a cancer?
Chris Stratton has been with 7 teams in 8 years. Cancer?

Like the ones above, Tommy's career of late has been 1 year deals, then traded to teams in the playoff hunt who want him.

For cancers, see Puig. He hasn't been in the league in 6 years.

Organizations keep signing Pham. And no, it's not because they know less about his personality than you...

1 year deals and playoff contending teams that use him for a quick playoff push then dispose of him

In other words teams that use him to strengthen their farm sent to teams that don’t appear to want to keep him around for very long.

I can agree he’s not on a Yasiel Puig level of cancer, but clearly his reputation hasn’t outweighed his rather high talent level. Hence why he’s never found a “forever home”

'Dispose' is an inaccurate word. The Cards didn't 'dispose of' Mark DeRosa, nor Quintana.

Not exactly sure where you’re going with this. Derosa was not good for the Cardinals and wasn’t good the rest of his career and I remember a lot of us wanting Quintana back. And the Cardinals at the very least expressed interest in it.

These two don’t really compare

Cards never entertained resigning Q.

Pham being brought in as a rental and then not resigned by the team renting him is very common.

Once or maybe even twice sure. But 10 different teams? Not one of them said to themselves “hey we gotta lock this guy up” especially with his skill set. He either signs in the offseason with some scrub team that knows they can use him for prospects or gets traded to contenders that appear to strategically grab him when it’s about time to lock in to playoff baseball. Perhaps to deal with him as little as humanly possible until it’s beneficial. Otherwise why not just sign him in the offseason and have him all year? And why can’t he find himself into a long term deal? I reiterate, with his skill set it shouldn’t be an issue.

I’m not saying he’s a big time cancer. All I’m saying is I’ve never even heard of a teammate or coach to upset about him leaving. Which is odd, considering he has been a pretty solid player

Hinske of the Mets said the player out of verander Pham and Scherzer they would miss the most it was Pham hinske said ask lindor Rosenthal asked lindor he confirmed it. Rosenthal then did a whole article where he talked to previous teammates coaches and managers and they loved him. He signs with teams that are out of contention for playing time he’s usually then traded to contending teams because they know the kind of player he is. Fans can disagree with his teammates his coaches and managers all they want to but me personally I will believe his teammates his coaches and managers over fans on what kind of teammate he is