Bloom starts his rebuild this winter big time

[45s]

No more Mo who would not admit a ‘rebuild’ was necessary.
The fans were not fooled and stayed away.
Bloom’s history with Tampa and Boston shows he will revamp Cardinals development . He already had Cerfolio on board who did fine work with Guardians system.
I expect major changes. Of the current starters, I would say only or two may be starting in 2027 season. Bloom is going to clean house in his first two years. Gray, Arenado , and Contreras all gone.
By 2027 a new catcher, maybe 3 new outfielders, 2 new infielders,
A pitching rotation of 4 different starters than now.
Yes likely lockout for part of 2027 but when season starts that year,
it will be totally revamped from 2025.
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what's the over and under on how soon some start complaining??

Almost 17000 posts and candy still screws up the quote function......

Oh….so you want reality and presentation…?

I will work on that..

[82birds]

No more Mo who would not admit a ‘rebuild’ was necessary.
The fans were not fooled and stayed away.
Bloom’s history with Tampa and Boston shows he will revamp Cardinals development . He already had Cerfolio on board who did fine work with Guardians system.
I expect major changes. Of the current starters, I would say only or two may be starting in 2027 season. Bloom is going to clean house in his first two years. Gray, Arenado , and Contreras all gone.
By 2027 a new catcher, maybe 3 new outfielders, 2 new infielders,
A pitching rotation of 4 different starters than now.
Yes likely lockout for part of 2027 but when season starts that year,
it will be totally revamped from 2025.

Dan, we can only hope this comes to fruition.

And if it does, and the rebuild is reasonably successful, we should all be asking, “Mr. DeWitt, why didn’t you sack Mozo and do this years ago?” This is still a mystery to me — did DeWitt really think Mozo is doing a good job, or is there some other reason behind keeping Mozo way longer than he should have?

agree Dan and good question hazelwood

[rockondlouie]

Agreed, BIG changes coming to the roster!



Could we see a "Whitey 12/1980" roster makeover?
Post by rockondlouie » 03 Aug 2025 11:58 am


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[ramfandan]

No more Mo who would not admit a ‘rebuild’ was necessary.
The fans were not fooled and stayed away.
Bloom’s history with Tampa and Boston shows he will revamp Cardinals development . He already had Cerfolio on board who did fine work with Guardians system.
I expect major changes. Of the current starters, I would say only one or two may be starting in 2027 season. Bloom is going to clean house in his first two years. Gray, Arenado , and Contreras all gone.
By 2027 a new catcher, maybe 3 new outfielders, 2 new infielders,
A pitching rotation of 4 different starters than now.
Yes likely lockout for part of 2027 but when season starts that year,
it will be totally revamped from 2025.
There will be growing pains but I think most fans are ready for major changes. If some fans hate the R word Rebuild so be it.
Even if Bloom doesn’t use the dreaded word , he should say. Yes, there will be major changes !
I am ready.. are you ?

Good vision Dan. My hope is that Bloom can convince those three vets to wave their NTCs. I don’t really care if Gray sticks around. He has value during a rebuild. Nado and WC are taking up roster spots at positions that we need for kids.

BrockFloodMaris, In regards to Sonny Gray , I believe he will waive this winter for this reason. He will turn 36 years old and realizes he is at the end of his career. He has made one postseason and would most likely enjoy one last shot to do so before retirement . Though close to his home in St. Louis (which was priority previously ) , next year may be his swan song and he realizes that very unlikely Cardinals would give him a post season shot as he rides into the sunset. So for that reason, I think Sonny will accept a trade to a contender . It's a now or never scenario for him.

[General]

Don’t worry. You and the others here will hate him soon enough.

Most of the frequent posters here are only happy when they are unhappy. They always find a reason to hate the manager and mgmt.

Believe whatever you have to, but the Dewitts and Mozeliak ran this org into the dirt, the dislike for them is warranted

Ran into the dirt? Name another org that had the length of sustainability the Cardinals had? I'm super blessed to have experienced all the winning from the late 90s to 2023. Every team, EVERY TEAM, has gone through a downturn b/c winning every single year is almost impossible. Which teams did better?

The Cardinals probably should have pulled back a year or two sooner but they tried to push through it and it didn't work. It happens. So be it. Now they regroup and take another stab at it. I'm looking forward to it.

You are one of the biggest complainers here and will never be happy unless you are unhappy. You demand perfection from everyone but yourself. Enjoy your misery.

[Talkin' Baseball]

No more Mo who would not admit a ‘rebuild’ was necessary.
The fans were not fooled and stayed away.
Bloom’s history with Tampa and Boston shows he will revamp Cardinals development . He already had Cerfolio on board who did fine work with Guardians system.
I expect major changes. Of the current starters, I would say only or two may be starting in 2027 season. Bloom is going to clean house in his first two years. Gray, Arenado , and Contreras all gone.
By 2027 a new catcher, maybe 3 new outfielders, 2 new infielders,
A pitching rotation of 4 different starters than now.
Yes likely lockout for part of 2027 but when season starts that year,
it will be totally revamped from 2025.

Dan, we can only hope this comes to fruition.

And if it does, and the rebuild is reasonably successful, we should all be asking, “Mr. DeWitt, why didn’t you sack Mozo and do this years ago?” This is still a mystery to me — did DeWitt really think Mozo is doing a good job, or is there some other reason behind keeping Mozo way longer than he should have?

Only Chris Correa knows.

[desertrat23]

Don’t worry. You and the others here will hate him soon enough.

Most of the frequent posters here are only happy when they are unhappy. They always find a reason to hate the manager and mgmt.

Believe whatever you have to, but the Dewitts and Mozeliak ran this org into the dirt, the dislike for them is warranted

Ran into the dirt? Name another org that had the length of sustainability the Cardinals had? I'm super blessed to have experienced all the winning from the late 90s to 2023. Every team, EVERY TEAM, has gone through a downturn b/c winning every single year is almost impossible. Which teams did better?

The Cardinals probably should have pulled back a year or two sooner but they tried to push through it and it didn't work. It happens. So be it. Now they regroup and take another stab at it. I'm looking forward to it.

You are one of the biggest complainers here and will never be happy unless you are unhappy. You demand perfection from everyone but yourself. Enjoy your misery.

What happened in the first 20 years of the DeWitt Era is no longer relevant. What’s relevant is what’s happening NOW and in the future. Yes, every team’s window closes. What doesn’t happen is allowing those who closed the window to keep their jobs, and that’s why this organization is now years too late for a rebuild. It shouldn’t be acceptable to anyone.

[scoutyjones2]

No more Mo who would not admit a ‘rebuild’ was necessary.
The fans were not fooled and stayed away.
Bloom’s history with Tampa and Boston shows he will revamp Cardinals development . He already had Cerfolio on board who did fine work with Guardians system.
I expect major changes. Of the current starters, I would say only or two may be starting in 2027 season. Bloom is going to clean house in his first two years. Gray, Arenado , and Contreras all gone.
By 2027 a new catcher, maybe 3 new outfielders, 2 new infielders,
A pitching rotation of 4 different starters than now.
Yes likely lockout for part of 2027 but when season starts that year,
it will be totally revamped from 2025.

Dan, we can only hope this comes to fruition.

And if it does, and the rebuild is reasonably successful, we should all be asking, “Mr. DeWitt, why didn’t you sack Mozo and do this years ago?” This is still a mystery to me — did DeWitt really think Mozo is doing a good job, or is there some other reason behind keeping Mozo way longer than he should have?

And if it isn't?

[desertrat23]

No more Mo who would not admit a ‘rebuild’ was necessary.
The fans were not fooled and stayed away.
Bloom’s history with Tampa and Boston shows he will revamp Cardinals development . He already had Cerfolio on board who did fine work with Guardians system.
I expect major changes. Of the current starters, I would say only or two may be starting in 2027 season. Bloom is going to clean house in his first two years. Gray, Arenado , and Contreras all gone.
By 2027 a new catcher, maybe 3 new outfielders, 2 new infielders,
A pitching rotation of 4 different starters than now.
Yes likely lockout for part of 2027 but when season starts that year,
it will be totally revamped from 2025.

Dan, we can only hope this comes to fruition.

And if it does, and the rebuild is reasonably successful, we should all be asking, “Mr. DeWitt, why didn’t you sack Mozo and do this years ago?” This is still a mystery to me — did DeWitt really think Mozo is doing a good job, or is there some other reason behind keeping Mozo way longer than he should have?

And if it isn't?

At least they gave it a shot, instead of just letting the whole thing rot through inaction.

[Voldemort]

I hate to be "that guy" but no one knows what Bloom will do with the same ownership as Mo had. It might be Bloom or doom for next year.

[vegascardsfan5890]

I know a lot of Red Sox fans who hate Bloom.

I'm sure we I'll soon enough.

I didn't like the hire and I still don't

[Banner29]

Don’t worry. You and the others here will hate him soon enough.

Most of the frequent posters here are only happy when they are unhappy. They always find a reason to hate the manager and mgmt.

The searching hasn’t been ridiculously difficult, in recent memory.

But please, continue your hissy fit

[Red7]

No more Mo who would not admit a ‘rebuild’ was necessary.
The fans were not fooled and stayed away.
Bloom’s history with Tampa and Boston shows he will revamp Cardinals development . He already had Cerfolio on board who did fine work with Guardians system.
I expect major changes. Of the current starters, I would say only one or two may be starting in 2027 season. Bloom is going to clean house in his first two years. Gray, Arenado , and Contreras all gone.
By 2027 a new catcher, maybe 3 new outfielders, 2 new infielders,
A pitching rotation of 4 different starters than now.
Yes likely lockout for part of 2027 but when season starts that year,
it will be totally revamped from 2025.
There will be growing pains but I think most fans are ready for major changes. If some fans hate the R word Rebuild so be it.
Even if Bloom doesn’t use the dreaded word , he should say. Yes, there will be major changes !
I am ready.. are you ?

Good vision Dan. My hope is that Bloom can convince those three vets to wave their NTCs. I don’t really care if Gray sticks around. He has value during a rebuild. Nado and WC are taking up roster spots at positions that we need for kids.

BrockFloodMaris, In regards to Sonny Gray , I believe he will waive this winter for this reason. He will turn 36 years old and realizes he is at the end of his career. He has made one postseason and would most likely enjoy one last shot to do so before retirement . Though close to his home in St. Louis (which was priority previously ) , next year may be his swan song and he realizes that very unlikely Cardinals would give him a post season shot as he rides into the sunset. So for that reason, I think Sonny will accept a trade to a contender . It's a now or never scenario for him.

Gray will only waive if either the Cardinals or the acquiring team agrees to pick up his 2027 option.

[swatski]

Bloom has no chance. Not enough talent on hand and not enough chips to build thru trades. All the posters who have criticized us who have been screaming for years about the organization, I hope you are satisfied. This demise has been easy to foresee.

[Melville]

Bloom has no chance. Not enough talent on hand and not enough chips to build thru trades.

Respectfully disagree.
I believe it is unwise to make assumptions about Bloom until we know how much latitude he will be allowed by DeWitt.
If The Marmot and staff are immediately fired within 2 weeks when the season ends, that will be a positive sign.
If they are not, it will be troublesome.
As for talent, the team is not far away concerning position players.
Super Slo Mo is an idiot at evaluating talent.
If Bloom is more intelligent, he already knows that with Winn, Gorman, Wetherholt, Contreras, Donovan and Burleson (though it may be necessary to trade one of those last two), he has pieces with which to work
If he recognizes that, then all Bloom needs to do is add a proven, productive, ASG quality, prime-of-career, middle order RH bat.
Once that is done, there may be room for either Walker or Herrera - but only if Bloom wants to bet on a surprise from one without any expectations of being a key piece.
Saggese should probably stay as a utility option since he is RH and the organization is shockingly weak in that asset (though Joshua Baez has potential to help change that).
That means Mootbaar, either Herrera or Walker, and possibly Donovan or Burleson are expendable.
Possibly Scott as well - but I would wait until 60 games into 2026 before making that decision unless Church amazes the rest for this season.
With Crooks, Bernal, Rodriguez all behind Pages and Pozo, Bloom has 2 moveable pieces from those 5.
Arenado should never again wear the STL uniform.
Hence and Davis need a new organization.
Plenty of pieces to move.
Bottom line - the lineup is easily fixed.
The more difficult issue is pitching.
Tough to move Gray with a $$$$ owed next year - might as well keep him unless an unexpected opportunity come up.
McGreevy should be OK.
Pallante is toast.
Maybe STL bets again on Liberatore - with Mathews maybe ready to challenge for that same spot.
Gray/McGreevy/Liberatore-Mathews.
That's not good.
Need two more from the outside - at a minimum.
Will Bloom be allowed to obtain the 2 quality starters who are desperately needed?
Is he smart enough to acquire the right ones?
Stay tuned.