The “Rot” has set in

[rockondlouie]

Relief is on the way!

Only 38 more games till C. Bloom takes over.

Bye-bye Mo, better be bye-bye Oli too.

A new regime is moving into the front office but it will take time & money (yes BDWJr has to give Bloom a #14-15 $160+M payroll) before we see positive results.

If Dewitt doesn't do that, then it's going to be a long, long time before we have even a playoff team.

(Enjoy that 1.5+M attendance if you go cheap Dewitt)

That's to be expected. Other teams (Houston, Atlanta, Philadelphia, etc.) who did a successful, 4-5 yr. rebuild saw attendance drop off by 1 million to 1.5 million from their seasons before the rebuild was undertaken.

After rebuilding the organization and having more young talent at the ML level, the owners may just need to be willing to spend back up to prior levels one year before attendance bounces back.

Again for the 100th time

C. Bloom can walk (re-build the farm system which he's been doing now for two years and restock w/prospects) and chew gum (have a decent ML roster) as long as BDWJr doesn't go super cheap.

I'm NOT saying you sign free agents to five+ year contracts.

BUT

There is nothing wrong w/suggesting one-three year deals for free agents that keeps attendance from cratering to the 1.5M range, the team competitive while the farm system develops players and keeps the fans interest.

$160M payroll probably won't happen since I have a feeling BDWJr is going to GO SUPER, SUPER CHEAP.

I don't know if you were around in the 70's matt, I was a kid growing up and saw the tiny 14-20,000 crowds year after year after year.

St. Louis will NOT support a mediocre team, you're seeing that since the second half of 2024.

That's what Dewitt is looking at if he does go CHEAP.

And there's NO GUARANTEE whatsoever this mythical "rebuild" ever amounts to anything.

Four-five years?

By that time JJW will be nearing free agency and long gone soon if he's as good as it appears he could be, maybe Doyle too.

[desertrat23]

And it is deep. This is many years in the making, course correction is too late. There is not a player on the current roster that will be part of the next generation of winning teams. Think 88-94 seasons minus Ozzie.

This team doesn’t know how to work together or pick each other up. That is something that doesn’t come time with time, it starts from the beginning.

We are in for what will be the most volatile 5-7 years in Cardinals history.

This could have been fixed 3-4 years ago, but the last “Cardinals way” manager was run out of town for not agreeing with a GM stuck a decade in the past.

I’m glad I’m young enough to see the next generation of winning, I feel bad for my dad and others that won’t get to see it.

Your dad and others his age have already seen multiple World Championships.

So what?

Not as hungry, bomber, as those who haven’t experienced it.

Is this BDW???
Just think Cranny IF those FO’s and Owners had your current attitude THEN…..you wouldn’t have seen all the WS you clamor about
Beyond selfish of you NOT to want the same Championship drive for future generations. Do you think this current uninspiring deadpanned leadership excites the younger generation like you were inspired in the 60’s…..very foolish and selfish to excuse this type of leadership

We’ve been through this before. He doesn’t care. He got his, pull up the ladder, and then tell younger people they’re doing it wrong (i.e. “they don’t like baseball.” The quintessential of a stereotypical Boomer.

I think if you look at most of the responses on Cards Talk, MOST of us Boomers (I’m 71) are NOT satisfied with the current management of this team, and we want to see this team much more competitive. Whether it’s with kids from the minors or intelligent trades for quality veterans, or a combination of both.

Personally, I have zero interest in “watching the kids come up” from the minors and fall flat on their face because they weren’t coached properly or didn’t have the talent that this pathetic organization kept hyping.

So now, you have the opinion of THIS old boomer. And get off my lawn, kid!

A “stereotypical” Boomer does not all Boomers make. Rational people, regardless of age, agree with you.

[mattmitchl44]

I'm NOT saying you sign free agents to five+ year contracts.

BUT

There is nothing wrong w/suggesting one-three year deals for free agents that keeps attendance from cratering to the 1.5M range, the team competitive while the farm system develops players and keeps the fans interest.

Guys who may be difference makers in 2026 or 2027 aren't going to sign for 1-3 year deals.

Without a critical mass of young players to build around, guys on short term deals will get you to nothing more than treading water in mediocrity. And you'll have spent more and still have the same attendance problems.

The idea of a "deep rebuild" is to first stop chasing mediocrity.

[rockondlouie]

I'm NOT saying you sign free agents to five+ year contracts.

BUT

There is nothing wrong w/suggesting one-three year deals for free agents that keeps attendance from cratering to the 1.5M range, the team competitive while the farm system develops players and keeps the fans interest.

Guys who may be difference makers in 2026 or 2027 aren't going to sign for 1-3 year deals.

Without a critical mass of young players to build around, guys on short term deals will get you to nothing more than treading water in mediocrity. And you'll have spent more and still have the same attendance problems.

The idea of a "deep rebuild" is to first stop chasing mediocrity.

I wouldn't say that and would 100% disagree with your assertions that, "... guys on short term deals will get you to nothing more than treading water in mediocrity."

P. Maton was a difference maker this season on a one year deal.

J. Montgomery and "Q" were excellent additions by Mo in the final year of their deals.

Bloom is extremely smart, he can find pieces we need (CF, SP, LHRP) while not breaking the bank or inhibiting the minor league player development/re-stocking plan.

I get it matt

You have this "dream" that if the Cardinals suck for four-five-six years then they will miraculously emerge having built this farm system stocked w/future all-stars and Hall of Famers.

DREAM ON

Adding a couple of key pieces (CF, SP, LHRP) thru smart trades or signings is the way to go while waiting for the minor league system to build itself back up.

You ALWAYS miss the business side of the game.

You can't run out c r a p like BDWJr has the past two seasons and make money.

Dewitt has ALWAYS said payroll is contingent on attendance.

You throw out another c r a p roster, draw 1.5M for the next four-five years and we're looking at a Pirates like payroll.

You have to think past just re-stocking the minor league and understand the business side.